What the hell is Karma??? do you believe in it?
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As I explained, people have some subjective sense of "good" and "bad" which thus forms the basis of their conceiving of "good" and "bad" karma. Therefore, their works simply bind them to this material nature of perpetual suffering.
Salvation means to understand that one has nothing to do with this material nature, but should rather engage all things in the service of God. Another key principle in salvation is that one should approach God through the pure representative that He sends. That is what Jesus is for Christianity. Of course, Christians say it is solely Jesus. Other traditions hold the same basic principle, but have numerous representatives or bonafide gurus rather than just one.
Salvation means to understand that one has nothing to do with this material nature, but should rather engage all things in the service of God. Another key principle in salvation is that one should approach God through the pure representative that He sends. That is what Jesus is for Christianity. Of course, Christians say it is solely Jesus. Other traditions hold the same basic principle, but have numerous representatives or bonafide gurus rather than just one.
If salvation means to understand that one has nothing to do with this material nature, than I'm far from being saved. It's very hard for me to simply just ignore this material nature and in turn engage my life service to something I don't even believe exists.
Am I wrong for believing that a man can help out more people by doing something in this material nature than by praying to a God? I'm all for a person believing in God if it leads to helping out his neighbors and being a good person because of it, but someone more worried about his/her relationship to God than his own brothers and sisters is unacceptable to me. This passive mentality towards material nature that people get because of God and religion is dangerous and allows people to be controlled while they completely disregard their own logic at the sake of understanding something that is "beyond" them.
Personally, I feel that people should be allowed to believe in whatever the hell they want, as long as it doesn't make their thinking illogical in any ways...
Am I wrong for believing that a man can help out more people by doing something in this material nature than by praying to a God? I'm all for a person believing in God if it leads to helping out his neighbors and being a good person because of it, but someone more worried about his/her relationship to God than his own brothers and sisters is unacceptable to me. This passive mentality towards material nature that people get because of God and religion is dangerous and allows people to be controlled while they completely disregard their own logic at the sake of understanding something that is "beyond" them.
Personally, I feel that people should be allowed to believe in whatever the hell they want, as long as it doesn't make their thinking illogical in any ways...
It doesn't mean one has to ignore material nature. For example, it doesn't mean that one stops eating or sleeping or breathing. And as far as believing in God goes, there are different stages of realizing what is called in Sanskrit language, Paramatma, or the Supreme Absolute Truth. If you are the least bit interested I suggest reading the introduction at www.asitis.com
The difference is that you see service and worship toward the Supreme Absolute Truth as a means to the end of aiding in perpetuating others' material existence whereas I see the Supreme Absolute Truth as the end itself. Logic isn't ignored. It is just that there is a altogether different view of reality and a different premise upon which logic is applied.
Some things understood as logical by the theists are not so by the atheists because, as I said above, each is going off a different basic premise. Sure, there are inconsistent theists just as there are inconsistent atheists. But what do you think is more logical... placing our focus on that which is fleeting or placing it on that which is eternal? Which do you think has lasting results?
The difference is that you see service and worship toward the Supreme Absolute Truth as a means to the end of aiding in perpetuating others' material existence whereas I see the Supreme Absolute Truth as the end itself. Logic isn't ignored. It is just that there is a altogether different view of reality and a different premise upon which logic is applied.
Some things understood as logical by the theists are not so by the atheists because, as I said above, each is going off a different basic premise. Sure, there are inconsistent theists just as there are inconsistent atheists. But what do you think is more logical... placing our focus on that which is fleeting or placing it on that which is eternal? Which do you think has lasting results?
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ya know i was thinking along these lines earlier and tellin someone the same shit......there was a reason why mafuccaz way bacc was bashin in skulls and sacrificing other humans without thinkin twice....takin a life wasnt that big a deal till they inivented hell and told you youd be punished for takin a life.....every other livin thing on earth goes by the survival of the fittest and so do we.....we jus so dumb we let them tell us how to live thas why we aint the fittest....and the ones tellin us gonna survive.....
I will look at the site and read what's on it with as open mind as possible...
In Murda's other thread I talked about how I do see this material existence as the end, while the Supreme Absolute Truth you speak of is only part of it. The Supreme Absolute Truth IMO is one's understanding of his place in this world, as well as one's connection to the main energy source. I am not against studying religion, for I study as many as I can, since they are all around for a reason. People have been studying this shit for a LOOOONG time, so why would I choose to simply ignore things like The Bible all of it's books? However, I still don't believe in the type of God they refer to because it makes no logical sense. And one thing I am not willing to do is sacrifice this great logic I've developed and have been working on my whole life!
I believe it's more logical to apply logic to everything, and something that requires one to sacrifice his logic is not something that interests me. When people tell me that I have to let go of reality and everything that I know in order to understand God, I laugh in their face. I place my focus on that which is fleeing because it is my opinion that it's all we got. I am not convinced that there is eternal life after the one I'm currently living, so I suppose that has a lot to do with our disagreements...
In Murda's other thread I talked about how I do see this material existence as the end, while the Supreme Absolute Truth you speak of is only part of it. The Supreme Absolute Truth IMO is one's understanding of his place in this world, as well as one's connection to the main energy source. I am not against studying religion, for I study as many as I can, since they are all around for a reason. People have been studying this shit for a LOOOONG time, so why would I choose to simply ignore things like The Bible all of it's books? However, I still don't believe in the type of God they refer to because it makes no logical sense. And one thing I am not willing to do is sacrifice this great logic I've developed and have been working on my whole life!
I believe it's more logical to apply logic to everything, and something that requires one to sacrifice his logic is not something that interests me. When people tell me that I have to let go of reality and everything that I know in order to understand God, I laugh in their face. I place my focus on that which is fleeing because it is my opinion that it's all we got. I am not convinced that there is eternal life after the one I'm currently living, so I suppose that has a lot to do with our disagreements...
CcytzO_Loc said:
ya know i was thinking along these lines earlier and tellin someone the same shit......there was a reason why mafuccaz way bacc was bashin in skulls and sacrificing other humans without thinkin twice....takin a life wasnt that big a deal till they inivented hell and told you youd be punished for takin a life.....every other livin thing on earth goes by the survival of the fittest and so do we.....we jus so dumb we let them tell us how to live thas why we aint the fittest....and the ones tellin us gonna survive.....