WHAT THE FUCK..CHUCK, 40 WATER SUMBODY
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All ya gotta do is hit a e-mail or a number for a requested mixtape track and I gotcha no problem....but mane, at least give Charles and the rest a heads up.....so cats don't think you some skanless fool tryin to make a buck of they hard work you feel me?
Shit hit my ass...I got you all day fam but at least HIT ME...LOL!
Playa Rae [email protected]
Shit hit my ass...I got you all day fam but at least HIT ME...LOL!
Playa Rae [email protected]
so uhh, this mixtape of yurs...does any artist rap over a commercial beat on it, or is that not what "mixtapes" are about?
this is what I don't get about some cats, they act like there's a rule book out there about what a mixtape is suppose 2 be...a mixtape is just that...MIX tape...buncha shit put 2gether...fuck yur rules...U say west coast artists jack other people's beats and do shit on em and call it a "mixtape".....well yea, so what? they spend time actually doin em, puttin in work on em, stricly for promotion......see mane, I'm not tryin 2 belittle yur hustle or nothin.....shit, I got luv 4 all DJs puttin mixtapes in da streets and makin lesser known artists get some shine, but we ain't gone see eye 2 eye when U criticize other people's work and make statements like those "other" mixtapes is garbage cuzz what they do isn't "real".....I'm sure alot of cats agree wit me on this......a mixtape is a mixtape, U gotta realize and put up wit tha fact that there are different types of mixtapes, there's no rules on what a mixtape should be like exactly I repeat......I mean c'mon, let's keept it real......wat do U do dats so special? wat makes U tha bigger man than tha "others"? Shieeeet, gimme 15 minutes and I'll put my 20 fav. songs I have on my comp rite now, mix em and boom, I got myself a RODZILLA mixtape.....I'll burn 100 and take em to Rasputins 2morow and make myself some chump change.....feel me? U have no right 2 criticize......but keep doin what U do homie, I support that shit 2 tha fullest......holla @ me 2 get some alliance artists on that shit too......
this is what I don't get about some cats, they act like there's a rule book out there about what a mixtape is suppose 2 be...a mixtape is just that...MIX tape...buncha shit put 2gether...fuck yur rules...U say west coast artists jack other people's beats and do shit on em and call it a "mixtape".....well yea, so what? they spend time actually doin em, puttin in work on em, stricly for promotion......see mane, I'm not tryin 2 belittle yur hustle or nothin.....shit, I got luv 4 all DJs puttin mixtapes in da streets and makin lesser known artists get some shine, but we ain't gone see eye 2 eye when U criticize other people's work and make statements like those "other" mixtapes is garbage cuzz what they do isn't "real".....I'm sure alot of cats agree wit me on this......a mixtape is a mixtape, U gotta realize and put up wit tha fact that there are different types of mixtapes, there's no rules on what a mixtape should be like exactly I repeat......I mean c'mon, let's keept it real......wat do U do dats so special? wat makes U tha bigger man than tha "others"? Shieeeet, gimme 15 minutes and I'll put my 20 fav. songs I have on my comp rite now, mix em and boom, I got myself a RODZILLA mixtape.....I'll burn 100 and take em to Rasputins 2morow and make myself some chump change.....feel me? U have no right 2 criticize......but keep doin what U do homie, I support that shit 2 tha fullest......holla @ me 2 get some alliance artists on that shit too......
I feel the remarks you been making about putting this music out there, and I am on the exact same vibe of wanting to put out mixes of solely Bay hip hop, but come on now folks, if you're just mixing a bunch of tracks together on computer (and MP3's too) and you're really doing it to promote the artists, why you not posting this up for free to download then? Shit - I'm sure there is cats who will hook you up with the webspace.
I'm supporting anyone puttin out mixes of the right kind of music but if you're fuckin with MP3's swooped off the internet and so on, you really should be giving that shit back on the internet the same way for free if you're game is just about promoting......?
When I put out a mix last year it was also on the promotion tip. Only about 30% was done on computers to master together some different mixes, and all but one track I played was paid for and imported overseas. I wouldnt dream of burning that to CD-R and selling it and calling that promotion, just put it out on the internet for free. I did that and I paid $$ on bandwidth like I'm sure SadClown be doing 100x more with the promotion he does on NorthernRidaz.
Anyway, not to hate, I hope you see where I'm coming from, I got love for anyone putting it out there, and really I will never act like its even my place to comment, I'll leave that for the artists and the labels, but if you just scooping MP3's off the internet laying them down on computer and claiming to be doing it to promote that stuff, hell, put it back out for free on the internet, dont just burn it on the downlow and sell it.
I ain't never paid one dollar over time to swoop any of DJ Mark 7's mixes that he puts out on here and on his website, and he's been promoting Bay music for time. To me unless you're the label and artist themselves, promoting and selling are two entirely different things which shouldn't mix.. how can you promote and make $ off someone elses work. A CD-R costs nothing?
Do your thing but hell, put it out for free if you really are promoting. Peace
I'm supporting anyone puttin out mixes of the right kind of music but if you're fuckin with MP3's swooped off the internet and so on, you really should be giving that shit back on the internet the same way for free if you're game is just about promoting......?
When I put out a mix last year it was also on the promotion tip. Only about 30% was done on computers to master together some different mixes, and all but one track I played was paid for and imported overseas. I wouldnt dream of burning that to CD-R and selling it and calling that promotion, just put it out on the internet for free. I did that and I paid $$ on bandwidth like I'm sure SadClown be doing 100x more with the promotion he does on NorthernRidaz.
Anyway, not to hate, I hope you see where I'm coming from, I got love for anyone putting it out there, and really I will never act like its even my place to comment, I'll leave that for the artists and the labels, but if you just scooping MP3's off the internet laying them down on computer and claiming to be doing it to promote that stuff, hell, put it back out for free on the internet, dont just burn it on the downlow and sell it.
I ain't never paid one dollar over time to swoop any of DJ Mark 7's mixes that he puts out on here and on his website, and he's been promoting Bay music for time. To me unless you're the label and artist themselves, promoting and selling are two entirely different things which shouldn't mix.. how can you promote and make $ off someone elses work. A CD-R costs nothing?
Do your thing but hell, put it out for free if you really are promoting. Peace
@ rodzilla - no a mixtape is not a cd of a rapper rappin over a bunch of jacked beats. my opinion of a mixtape, is like what bigdssf and tadou said, it's a comp of the hottest new shit out there that won't be played on the radio (sure there will always be a few hot radio songs to draw the listener in). i think that one's time is probably better spent making original songs, and doing mixtapes for fun. so basically the point of a mixtape is to hear some songs they already like, but also so that the consumer is exposed to new music and artists.
thats why these bay artist/label mixtapes don't work. they're not drawing in new listeners because a) they sell their "mixtapes" around $12-15 which is not a low enough price point to get someone who has never listened to their music before to take a chance on the mixtape project; it is a general fact thatthese mixtapes are made with lower standards and and less effort put into them which means the overall quality of the product is lower (in most cases, again i'm generalizing, but with amount of explaining i already have to do going into more detail would be... tedious). by doing that, i feel like the artist is basically exploiting their existing consumer base by selling them something they didn't put their whole creative effort into. i feel ripped off, you dig? i'm selling this cd for what, $7-8? printed on the cover is an msrp of $6.99, so fools don't try to mark the shit up (at least too much). the reason for the msrp is so that if i sell it to a store for $3-4 and they agree to sell it for $7, who's to say they won't go and sell it for 10, 12, or even 15 dollars? once the store pays me for a cd it's theirs and they can sell it for whatever they want to because they own it. so i am actually putting safeguards in place against ripping off the customer against my original intent.
and cds, gas and time aren't free. but at the same time i don't feel right getting rich of that shit either. thus the $7 price point. plus, almost all of the money from this mixtape is going back into the magazine. so the people who bought the cds are getting a return on their money whether they know it or not. (MAGAZINE WILL BE FREE). this shit isn't being distributed, it;s just gonna be at local moms and pops and the tower records at stonestown.
most of these songs i hear on bay area mixtapes are garbage, straight up. if you're going to jack a beat, you should be coming tighter than the artist originally on there, not weaker, feel me? i want to listen to a wack ass remake as much as i want to see an elvis impersonator or hear a track by the realest. not at all.
(on a whole side note, there are hella 2pac bootlegs that i like way more than the shit his mom puts out. why? because they're tighter in their original form, the way pac recorded em and put em together in the studio you dig what i'm saying?)
but as with everything there are exceptions, and there are some good remakes by bay artists out there. i was feelin jt over the straight ballin beat, messy with the jealousy, a couple of those done deal songs, the cellski song on the magazine mixtape, frontline - we don't stunt, the jacka and some other stuff too
thats why i got cipher's track on the cd, why i got turf talk on there, moonshine bandits. if you ask an average rap listener in the bay area who these cats are, you'll probably get a "who?". not talking down on these cat's but the name recognition isn't there. and if a listener doesn't know who you are, what makes you think that they'll even look twice at your product when it's on the shelf? what's gonna make it stand out to them from the other 100 titles on the new release track? but if they're like, oh, i heard this dude on the dj clue tape, the kayslay, the whoo kid, whatever then they might give your shit a second thought. feel me? that's why mixtapes work, for reals. like i said lil flip 50 cent diplomats j. hood (d-block) joe buddens esg fabolous and hella other rappers have built their carrers off of mixtapes hoppin on mixtapes and gettin their shit heard! thats, the biggest rappers from the east coast and the southright now who have built their careers off of mixtapes!
but like i was saying, no one wants to listen to wack shit, which is why a dj is necessary. not only a dj, but one who has the freedom to play whatever he wants (which is in radio is a problem with the radio stations being so restrictive in what they choose to play, but on a mixtape the dj can play what he wants to). it is also the dj's job, more important than mixing, to choose the dopest shit out, not just anything. he's the gatekeeper, or the street a&r as they're commonly referred to. if they play wack shit then nobody's gonna want their mix. and names draw, but it has to hold up throughout . i expect more out of a mixtape, because i feel like a good mixtape is one i can listen to from start to finish. (which is really the sign of a good album, cause how many albums can you name that you can listen to from beginning to end? not too many, and they're classics right?)
50 cent's original mixtapes are dope, i like em better than his albums. (though i think his mixtapes are starting to fall off too)
lil flips are alright. d-block series was sick, and they got shit on there that you haven't heard! plus the original version of 2 guns up. jay-z mixtape was tight.
my whole point is that if you're gonna do something do it right. or else you're just losing credibility by putting out a half assed product. which is why so much bay area projects don't sell.
thats why these bay artist/label mixtapes don't work. they're not drawing in new listeners because a) they sell their "mixtapes" around $12-15 which is not a low enough price point to get someone who has never listened to their music before to take a chance on the mixtape project; it is a general fact thatthese mixtapes are made with lower standards and and less effort put into them which means the overall quality of the product is lower (in most cases, again i'm generalizing, but with amount of explaining i already have to do going into more detail would be... tedious). by doing that, i feel like the artist is basically exploiting their existing consumer base by selling them something they didn't put their whole creative effort into. i feel ripped off, you dig? i'm selling this cd for what, $7-8? printed on the cover is an msrp of $6.99, so fools don't try to mark the shit up (at least too much). the reason for the msrp is so that if i sell it to a store for $3-4 and they agree to sell it for $7, who's to say they won't go and sell it for 10, 12, or even 15 dollars? once the store pays me for a cd it's theirs and they can sell it for whatever they want to because they own it. so i am actually putting safeguards in place against ripping off the customer against my original intent.
and cds, gas and time aren't free. but at the same time i don't feel right getting rich of that shit either. thus the $7 price point. plus, almost all of the money from this mixtape is going back into the magazine. so the people who bought the cds are getting a return on their money whether they know it or not. (MAGAZINE WILL BE FREE). this shit isn't being distributed, it;s just gonna be at local moms and pops and the tower records at stonestown.
most of these songs i hear on bay area mixtapes are garbage, straight up. if you're going to jack a beat, you should be coming tighter than the artist originally on there, not weaker, feel me? i want to listen to a wack ass remake as much as i want to see an elvis impersonator or hear a track by the realest. not at all.
(on a whole side note, there are hella 2pac bootlegs that i like way more than the shit his mom puts out. why? because they're tighter in their original form, the way pac recorded em and put em together in the studio you dig what i'm saying?)
but as with everything there are exceptions, and there are some good remakes by bay artists out there. i was feelin jt over the straight ballin beat, messy with the jealousy, a couple of those done deal songs, the cellski song on the magazine mixtape, frontline - we don't stunt, the jacka and some other stuff too
thats why i got cipher's track on the cd, why i got turf talk on there, moonshine bandits. if you ask an average rap listener in the bay area who these cats are, you'll probably get a "who?". not talking down on these cat's but the name recognition isn't there. and if a listener doesn't know who you are, what makes you think that they'll even look twice at your product when it's on the shelf? what's gonna make it stand out to them from the other 100 titles on the new release track? but if they're like, oh, i heard this dude on the dj clue tape, the kayslay, the whoo kid, whatever then they might give your shit a second thought. feel me? that's why mixtapes work, for reals. like i said lil flip 50 cent diplomats j. hood (d-block) joe buddens esg fabolous and hella other rappers have built their carrers off of mixtapes hoppin on mixtapes and gettin their shit heard! thats, the biggest rappers from the east coast and the southright now who have built their careers off of mixtapes!
but like i was saying, no one wants to listen to wack shit, which is why a dj is necessary. not only a dj, but one who has the freedom to play whatever he wants (which is in radio is a problem with the radio stations being so restrictive in what they choose to play, but on a mixtape the dj can play what he wants to). it is also the dj's job, more important than mixing, to choose the dopest shit out, not just anything. he's the gatekeeper, or the street a&r as they're commonly referred to. if they play wack shit then nobody's gonna want their mix. and names draw, but it has to hold up throughout . i expect more out of a mixtape, because i feel like a good mixtape is one i can listen to from start to finish. (which is really the sign of a good album, cause how many albums can you name that you can listen to from beginning to end? not too many, and they're classics right?)
50 cent's original mixtapes are dope, i like em better than his albums. (though i think his mixtapes are starting to fall off too)
lil flips are alright. d-block series was sick, and they got shit on there that you haven't heard! plus the original version of 2 guns up. jay-z mixtape was tight.
my whole point is that if you're gonna do something do it right. or else you're just losing credibility by putting out a half assed product. which is why so much bay area projects don't sell.
well now you can say what you like about mixtapes..but everyone is going to have thier own opinion! truthfully there are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many mixtapes out there, its hard to keep track! and each one is different! its what you make of it.....
sure We could of had some cat yelling in the background, screaming, or a DJ mixing the tracks in, but its not as easy as you think! most DJ's dont even want to fuck it.......why....cuzz the time, effort, etc....
so boom we took matters into our own hands! and look what happened!
VOL 1-4 with the fourth being a double CD and we had exclusive shit on there...with bay area cats only! plus they are FREE! FREE TO EVERYONE why for exposure! expose NEW TALENT...AND VERY HUNGRY! and we was droppin them every month and half! i must have shipped over 2500 mixtapes all over the world...plus it was free for download on our websites and along with out sites..why cuzz the respect our hustle.............and appreciate the music we create!
but there is no definition of MIXTAPE...its just a catagory!
and you will cont. to hear new un recycled music from THE ALLIANCE(SERVNU151MUSIC, ANNIHILATION ENT, PERVELOUS P ENT)
2004 BOYEEEEEE YA'LL READY!
WWW.SERVNU151.COM
WWW.MISTACANE.COM
WWW.PERVELOUSPENT.COM
WWW.PHOTODOCTORGRAPHICS.COM
COME FUCK IT US!
AND IF YA'LL WANT FREE COPIES OF OUR MIXTAPES HOLLA AT YOUR BOYEEEE...
[email protected]
sure We could of had some cat yelling in the background, screaming, or a DJ mixing the tracks in, but its not as easy as you think! most DJ's dont even want to fuck it.......why....cuzz the time, effort, etc....
so boom we took matters into our own hands! and look what happened!
VOL 1-4 with the fourth being a double CD and we had exclusive shit on there...with bay area cats only! plus they are FREE! FREE TO EVERYONE why for exposure! expose NEW TALENT...AND VERY HUNGRY! and we was droppin them every month and half! i must have shipped over 2500 mixtapes all over the world...plus it was free for download on our websites and along with out sites..why cuzz the respect our hustle.............and appreciate the music we create!
but there is no definition of MIXTAPE...its just a catagory!
and you will cont. to hear new un recycled music from THE ALLIANCE(SERVNU151MUSIC, ANNIHILATION ENT, PERVELOUS P ENT)
2004 BOYEEEEEE YA'LL READY!
WWW.SERVNU151.COM
WWW.MISTACANE.COM
WWW.PERVELOUSPENT.COM
WWW.PHOTODOCTORGRAPHICS.COM
COME FUCK IT US!
AND IF YA'LL WANT FREE COPIES OF OUR MIXTAPES HOLLA AT YOUR BOYEEEE...
[email protected]
Re: Re: WHAT THE FUCK..CHUCK, 40 WATER SUMBODY
That's real...I've been fucked over in this game 3 times already. There ain't shit you can do about it unless you got the bread to give to a copyright or entertainment lawyer UP FRONT...talkin about a couple hundred dollaz JUST TO HEAR YOUR CLAIM!!!! Isn't worth it, even though I could have gotten myself AT LEAST $300,000 from all 3 cases since it was pure copyright infringement!! BUT, we don't have the bread to fork out to a lawyer like that....it's all good though, when shit starts poppin off and we're known all over the place, them cats will get exposed...
That's real...I've been fucked over in this game 3 times already. There ain't shit you can do about it unless you got the bread to give to a copyright or entertainment lawyer UP FRONT...talkin about a couple hundred dollaz JUST TO HEAR YOUR CLAIM!!!! Isn't worth it, even though I could have gotten myself AT LEAST $300,000 from all 3 cases since it was pure copyright infringement!! BUT, we don't have the bread to fork out to a lawyer like that....it's all good though, when shit starts poppin off and we're known all over the place, them cats will get exposed...
First off what songs are used and record labels that havent spent a dime to make mix tapes and aint real mix tapes? Who made you the deciding factor on whats a real mix tape and what aint? My MIX cd is really MIXED?? = a REAL DJ fading music together! I spend money on everything i do. Nothing is free. But i still wanna know what Quinn songs are on there and who gave you permission to use them? And Who are you?
Think about it Sydal. Do you have your paperwork in order? Do you have copyrights? It's easy to prove that you've never received compensation for the tracks. What kind of money does an copyright lawyer want up front? And what percentage are they gonna want from the settlement? Do you know anyone who has had one, or have any examples of settlements for these types of cases in the past?
when i started recording those kmel on the block songs, i was thinking of throwing some shit that said "on the block" over the song just so people wont try to bootleg it (especially the jacka, thats probably why you hear a "106 kmel" in the middle of the song). but then i wanted niggas to knock that shit in the car and not have to hear some tag or whatever. shit i be goin to clubs and parties and i hear the same exact shit that i recorded in their mixes!
so look, i wrote this last nite and wake up to 3 pages...so here's the get down. we are all official on paper work, laywer, manager and all of the above. what needs to happen right now is you need to hit me on the email at [email protected] so you can have a discussion with my manger/lawyer. We expect to hear from you TODAY!
promotion is great but u makin money off our work on off a song that aint even mixed properly or mastered homie
get at us ASAP
promotion is great but u makin money off our work on off a song that aint even mixed properly or mastered homie
get at us ASAP
Shit man I'd GLADLY host yer shit
As to the cats talkin down on computers...C'mon now. I'm a bonafied DJ to the heart, but I STILL do my mixes on the computer for various reasons: A) Most songs I put on there aint even AVAILABLE on vinyl and B) Cause I can do shit on there that is IMPOSSIBLE on turntables. I still will go up against any cat who wants to test my skills on the 1s an 2s tho =) MOST of the cats who do their mixtapes professionally (talkin about DJs now) use computers to make it happen....Believe what u want, I KNOW the truth.
I wish everyone in here could tune in to Hot 98.7 but I know our signal aint strong enough. Last Sunday nite we had an hour long discussion on mixtapes with Balance & Locksmith...The shit was GREAT. If I find someone recorded it, I'll encode it and put it up.
And for the last time: you will ALWAYS have different kinds of mixtapes just like different genres of music...You'll have the ARTIST mixtapes which is usually them doin their thing and then you'll have your DJ mixtapes which are DJs playing the shit they want to....Whether that be exclusive shit, underground shit or commercial...It's all love
Cipherminds, I'ma holler at u...I saw yer other message just now. But on the real tip I wouldn't trip so much about being on a mixtape. Actually I think it's a step in the right direction for you. But cats like you and Chuck aren't hard to get ahold of so that's why I recommended to dude to just holler first. But hey, the shits out there and I would just make the best of it.
pe@ce,
Mark
As to the cats talkin down on computers...C'mon now. I'm a bonafied DJ to the heart, but I STILL do my mixes on the computer for various reasons: A) Most songs I put on there aint even AVAILABLE on vinyl and B) Cause I can do shit on there that is IMPOSSIBLE on turntables. I still will go up against any cat who wants to test my skills on the 1s an 2s tho =) MOST of the cats who do their mixtapes professionally (talkin about DJs now) use computers to make it happen....Believe what u want, I KNOW the truth.
I wish everyone in here could tune in to Hot 98.7 but I know our signal aint strong enough. Last Sunday nite we had an hour long discussion on mixtapes with Balance & Locksmith...The shit was GREAT. If I find someone recorded it, I'll encode it and put it up.
And for the last time: you will ALWAYS have different kinds of mixtapes just like different genres of music...You'll have the ARTIST mixtapes which is usually them doin their thing and then you'll have your DJ mixtapes which are DJs playing the shit they want to....Whether that be exclusive shit, underground shit or commercial...It's all love
Cipherminds, I'ma holler at u...I saw yer other message just now. But on the real tip I wouldn't trip so much about being on a mixtape. Actually I think it's a step in the right direction for you. But cats like you and Chuck aren't hard to get ahold of so that's why I recommended to dude to just holler first. But hey, the shits out there and I would just make the best of it.
pe@ce,
Mark
I got my copyright form right here with each song/beat listed and all official, gone through the Library Of Congress and sent back to me with a number...if you go to the copyright office online you can prally find the shit under Sydal and/or Ryan Collins. I also have paperwork signed by the producer that says all the work is my property, it is a PROOF OF OWNERSHIP contract I wrote up and had signed by the producer, myself and a witness. The main issue I have RIGHT NOW, at this point in time, is with 2 record labels who put one album together...we can talk about that through PM's or AIM or something though cause I don't wanna put it on a message board....but that's the only case I'm thinking about pursuing at this point in time, the other 2 cases are small cats who never released the shit!!
Lawyers I have gotten a hold of want like, $200-$600 for a consultation, plus 30% of what I win!! I'm not rich, I can't just come outta pocket like that for a consultation without any guarantee of gettin some cash out of it, ya know?
Lawyers I have gotten a hold of want like, $200-$600 for a consultation, plus 30% of what I win!! I'm not rich, I can't just come outta pocket like that for a consultation without any guarantee of gettin some cash out of it, ya know?