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Hemp, the prophets recieved revelations through an angel, Gabriel aka Al rooh aka the holy spirit. Now im not sure if thats how all of them recieved revalations. When it comes to God and seeing him, I know that when Moses (pbuh) saw him, he only saw light, so i dont know what the people in heaven will see i cant really go any further than that because i dont know more than that, but God willing i will ask a scholar.
 
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I'm a kafir but you can blame Allah. He has supposedly placed a seal on my heart. He is thereforth directly responsible for me not believing in him and yet he will want to punish me in hell. [Al-Qur'an 2:6-7!]
 
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God guides whom he wills, and if you really want it he will guide you, you just have to ask him he his most gracious most merciful. Verse 6 of surat al Baqarah is about the people who are lead astray because of their actions, they dont want to believe in God and either way if they do its for worldly pleasures. They hear the truth yet they disbelieve.
 
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not one mans philosophy, Gods words. Mohammad s.a.w was an illetirate could not read or write, go read the Quran, go read about the science in the Quran information that was not available at that time nor was it 100 years ago, now can an illetirate man write a book like that? The Quran itself challenges people to produce something like it many have tried but none have come even close.
 
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i mean i dont know if according to christianity this is wrong but once my christian friend was over, he grabbed a readers digest with jesus on the cover
n he was like , "hey jesus suck my dick" n put the book to his crotch n moved it back n forth
WTF? Your friend was over, rubbing magazines on his `crotch', and you are actually repeating these things?

NO HOMO!
 
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Thats on you then. You should have just made some shit up instead of repeating that back. That shit was wiiiiiiiild hoom.


And I almost forgot to mention:

Hemp said:
yes but you also see Christians extremely bending the rules of Christianity
`extremely bending' = pure comedy. Please stop trying so hard, thx.
 

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please dont compare christians with muslims
Why not?

Muslims hold the prophet (s.a.w) in high regards but we do not worship him
Who said muslims worship him? This is what I said:

They (muslims) do this, but if you look closely muslims seem to hold Mohhamed in high regards.
The prophet to me and to almost every muslim around the globe is more beloved than mothers, fathers, kids family and themselves. But that is something that people will not understand because they see how Jesus (pbuh) is mocked and disrespected so people think its okay, it might be okay to chrisitians but this isnt ok to muslims.
Would you agree muslims believe Jesus is a prophet sent by allah? Would you agree Muslims believe Jesus will come, slay the one -eyed one and convert everyone to islam? If muslims hold Jesus and Mohammed to the SAME standards why do muslims not speak out when jesus cartoons are shown?

Im the first to say that these acts of vioelnce that occured after the cartoons is absolute non sense and should have never happened. Now for the cartoons that were published those were an attack, or tryna punk muslims so to say, because they served nothing but to hurt the muslims.
ok...

When it comes to Jesus (pbuh) when Passion of the christ was released a few of the muslim countries banned the movie from playing in cinemas and banned the selling of the DVD, me personally I didnt want to watch it because to me that is insulting to Jesus pbuh.
You expect me to believe it was banned for being sacraligous and not because it was a "christian" movie?

In arabic religous movies when they act out the scenes of other prophets like Jesus, Moses, Abraham (pbut) they were never shown. You dont see muslims going crazy about Jesus pbuh, because people have been mocking him, and this has been going on since before the Quran. And the depiction of Jesus (pbuh) is pretty much part of the Christian faith.
Does that make the pictures right? If people have been mocking Jesus, and muslims hold him in high regard why don't muslims also speak out against the mockery of Jesus?
 
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Because you said something like "you wont see christians rioting over Jesus (pbuh) cartoons" not saying that the riots are ok, but a majority of Christians don’t take their faith seriously, they don’t even know what they believe in, they just believe that they are saved. When I said don’t compare Christians with Muslims I was talking about who takes what they believe in seriously and not similarities in the religions.



Would you agree muslims believe Jesus is a prophet sent by allah? Would you agree Muslims believe Jesus will come, slay the one -eyed one and convert everyone to islam? If muslims hold Jesus and Mohammed to the SAME standards why do muslims not speak out when jesus cartoons are shown?
Yes, and Yes. But Muslims don’t hold Jesus pbuh and Mohammad s.a.w at the same standards. Anyone who doesn’t believe in Jesus pbuh cannot be a muslim he is one of the greatest humans to walk this earth but Mohammad s.a.w is held at a higher standard than Jesus pbuh. I already spoke about how Muslims aren’t ok with any prophet cartoons but Ill talk a bit more. First I would like to say that muslims do not allow jesus cartoons in their newspapers, no cartoons, no actors acting as Jesus pbuh or anything like that. Now why are muslims going to stand up against Jesus pbuh cartoons when Christians themselves are not doing anything about it, in fact they are ok with it, and most of the time it is them who are drawing and publishing these cartoons. People have been drawing Jesus pbuh and putting him on cross’s hundreds of years before Mohammad s.a.w. The paintings and drawings and sculptures of Jesus pbuh are all over churches they are a part of christianity.





You expect me to believe it was banned for being sacraligous and not because it was a "christian" movie?
Did you read what I wrote in my post? Religious Muslim and Arabic movies do not portray Jesus pbuh, because that’s a blasphemy and THAT’S why the movie was banned. You think muslim countries are scared of the Christian belief? Do you think muslims are ignorant about what Christians believe in and that this movie would have showed us the “light”? I know more about Christianity than many of my Christian friends who attend church. Unlike Christians who many of them have no clue about Islam, Muslims know about Christianity both the Muslim and Christian view of it.

Does that make the pictures right? If people have been mocking Jesus, and muslims hold him in high regard why don't muslims also speak out against the mockery of Jesus?
No it doesnt, once yall stand up against it, then the muslims will stand with you.

In the end I respect the Christian and Jewish faiths and dont agree with anything that would mock either religion. Whether it be through cartoons or insults of other kinds.
 
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shoowilla said:
Because you said something like "you wont see christians rioting over Jesus (pbuh) cartoons" not saying that the riots are ok, but a majority of Christians don’t take their faith seriously, they don’t even know what they believe in, they just believe that they are saved. When I said don’t compare Christians with Muslims I was talking about who takes what they believe in seriously and not similarities in the religions.
I take my religion very seriously. Most Muslims I know are willing to KILL for their religion. The few "Followers of the Way of Life" I know are willing to DIE for theirs. I am happy to say that I believe I am now one of these people.
shoowilla said:
Now why are muslims going to stand up against Jesus pbuh cartoons when Christians themselves are not doing anything about it, in fact they are ok with it
Why do you think real "Christians" don't have a problem with it? What did Yeshua tell his followers would happen to them because they will follow him?
 

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Because you said something like "you wont see christians rioting over Jesus (pbuh) cartoons" not saying that the riots are ok, but a majority of Christians don’t take their faith seriously, they don’t even know what they believe in, they just believe that they are saved. When I said don’t compare Christians with Muslims I was talking about who takes what they believe in seriously and not similarities in the religions.
So, in order to take the faith seriously, one must riot when cartoons depciting icons and prophets are shown to the public? I can take my faith seriously by doing TWO things every single day. I agree most "christians" do not know what they believe in, but some people who do follow Yeshua DO know what they believe (pay attention to mexican commandos post.) Yes some christians believe they are saved, but this belief is not shared by all christians, and for the sake of bandwidth and time I won't go into it here. However, YOU on the other hand have NO belief if you are saved or not.

Yes, and Yes. But Muslims don’t hold Jesus pbuh and Mohammad s.a.w at the same standards.
Thanks for stating this. Why don't muslims hold them to the same standard if they are BOTH prophets and instruments of the SAME God with the SAME message?

I already spoke about how Muslims aren’t ok with any prophet cartoons but Ill talk a bit more. First I would like to say that muslims do not allow jesus cartoons in their newspapers, no cartoons, no actors acting as Jesus pbuh or anything like that. Now why are muslims going to stand up against Jesus pbuh cartoons when Christians themselves are not doing anything about it, in fact they are ok with it, and most of the time it is them who are drawing and publishing these cartoons. People have been drawing Jesus pbuh and putting him on cross’s hundreds of years before Mohammad s.a.w. The paintings and drawings and sculptures of Jesus pbuh are all over churches they are a part of christianity.
But, would you agree that not allowing Jesus cartoons in their papers and no actors portraying Jesus IS standing up? If the answer is NO why are they doing it? If the answer is yes you are starting to contradict yourself. You are implying muslims don't stand up for jesus because christians don't do it, but TRUTH be told muslims don't do it BECAUSE THEY DON'T HOLD THE TWO TO THE SAME STANDARDS.:dead:

Did you read what I wrote in my post? Religious Muslim and Arabic movies do not portray Jesus pbuh, because that’s a blasphemy and THAT’S why the movie was banned. You think muslim countries are scared of the Christian belief? Do you think muslims are ignorant about what Christians believe in and that this movie would have showed us the “light”? I know more about Christianity than many of my Christian friends who attend church. Unlike Christians who many of them have no clue about Islam, Muslims know about Christianity both the Muslim and Christian view of it.
They can go as far as banning a movie, but they won't protest when cartoons are made by others.....:rolleyes:

Yes, I believe some muslims are ignorant about about what christians believe. I know for a fact you are such a muslim (based on previous posts.) SOME muslims know about christianity from the muslim and christian perspective. answeringchristianity has helped many muslims achieve a false belief about christianity. I have read the quran. Have you ever read the bible? Be truthful in your answer because it WILL condemn you.

No it doesnt, once yall stand up against it, then the muslims will stand with you.
Who is "ya'll"? I am NOT a christian, and this is the LAST time I will point this out to you. If Jesus is a prophet to the muslims it should not matter who doesn't stand for him. Muslims should stand for him because he is a prophet of islam and he is believed to be allahs messenger. So muslims should follow the christian bad example and not take the lead?

In the end I respect the Christian and Jewish faiths and dont agree with anything that would mock either religion. Whether it be through cartoons or insults of other kinds.
OK.

The Prophet said, "Do not lavish praise on me as the Christians have lavished praise on the son of Mary; for I am only a servant. So call me God's servant and messenger."
 

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well the muslims and the world knows that muhammed only exists in islam whereas jesus in others

so when something is aimed towards ONE religion , especially Islam with all of the false teachings and the so called muslims are quick to show the world that religion is a big issue to them
especially when to them it feels like its muslims against the world, when really, they made it that way

and on top of that they place muhammed's status above jesus'
all of those + what shoowila said can add up to rage against muhammed cartoons and not a jesus movie
 
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So, in order to take the faith seriously, one must riot when cartoons depciting icons and prophets are shown to the public? I can take my faith seriously by doing TWO things every single day. I agree most "christians" do not know what they believe in, but some people who do follow Yeshua DO know what they believe (pay attention to mexican commandos post.) Yes some christians believe they are saved, but this belief is not shared by all christians, and for the sake of bandwidth and time I won't go into it here. However, YOU on the other hand have NO belief if you are saved or not.
Im basically saying Muslims at least have to pray 5 times a day, an hour before the sun comes up, afternoon, mid-afternoon, sunset, and night prayer. These aren’t prayers in which you think a prayer is, it is worshipping that we do. Its serious in that sense because for the people that pray our whole lives are scheduled around the prayers and not the other way around. There is nothing like this in Christianity. Serious on that tip, and serious to where we don’t fool ourselves about being saved therefore we can do as we please. Anyone who makes the shahada and meant it will eventually get to paradise. You see, muslims which their bad deeds out weighed their good will go to hell but for a certain amount of time and eventually all of them will get out. Me myself I am scared of being in hell for even one second that’s why I say there is no guarantees. Many people think its cool ill spend my time in hell then ill go to paradise, but hell aint no joke that’s why I don’t want to spend one second there. And that’s why I say there is no guarantees.

Thanks for stating this. Why don't muslims hold them to the same standard if they are BOTH prophets and instruments of the SAME God with the SAME message?
Because loving the prophet s.a.w is a part of being a muslim, loving him more than one self, and this isn’t my opinion this is part of being a muslim. The prophet Muhammad s.a.w is held at a higher standard than Jesus pbuh because he is the seal of the prophets, he is our prophet, and he is the first prophet to enter heaven with his followers.



But, would you agree that not allowing Jesus cartoons in their papers and no actors portraying Jesus IS standing up? If the answer is NO why are they doing it? If the answer is yes you are starting to contradict yourself. You are implying muslims don't stand up for jesus because christians don't do it, but TRUTH be told muslims don't do it BECAUSE THEY DON'T HOLD THE TWO TO THE SAME STANDARDS.:dead:
I believe I stated earlier that they don’t hold the two at the same standard. But you see the “face” of Jesus pbuh is a part of Christianity. You go to churches and theres drawings and paintings and sculptures of Jesus all over the place. That right there is part of the changing of Jesus’s pbuh teachings this is something we accept from Christians, because it is in the Quran. His teachings were changed among many other things, that’s why he is not the last prophet. We still respect him, and on our end we don’t picture him, yet his own people do. Jesus pbuh was one of the greatest prophets and messengers but he is not our prophet, if anything muslims shouldn’t bring up the issue of Christians drawing cartoons of Jesus pbuh but bring up how his teachings have been changed.




Yes, I believe some muslims are ignorant about about what christians believe. I know for a fact you are such a muslim (based on previous posts.) SOME muslims know about christianity from the muslim and christian perspective. answeringchristianity has helped many muslims achieve a false belief about christianity. I have read the quran. Have you ever read the bible? Be truthful in your answer because it WILL condemn you.
You can think as you please, but I believe I know as much as I should know about Christianity, and not from answering Christianity that’s not where I got my info about christianity. I have sat down and spoke with greek orthodox priests, doctors in theology and many knowledgable people when it comes to the Christian faith or the people of the way. But please shoot me some links because I guess I don’t know what you believe. Im currently going to school, but over winterbreak I started reading the KJV of the bible, I am still not done but that’s only because I write notes while I am reading. Its amazing Sometimes when im reading the bible at some verses I feel like im reading the Quran.




The Prophet said, "Do not lavish praise on me as the Christians have lavished praise on the son of Mary; for I am only a servant. So call me God's servant and messenger."
I don’t know why this was posted but I guess ill break it down.

"Do not lavish praise on me as the Christians have lavished praise on the son of Mary”

How did the Christians lavish praise on Jesus pbuh? By claiming he is god, or the son of god, Christians worship Jesus pbuh. Muhammad s.a.w is basically saying do not worship me I am merley a human.

“for I am only a servant. So call me God's servant and messenger."

That last line confirms the first explanation. Loving the prophet is a part of Islam, theres hadiths on that, but that’s were it stops, one doesn’t not worship him.
 
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Muslim americans/westerners are hipocrits "you have to respect our right to worship!" Yet they will not respect others rights not to worship? These cartoons are a good thing. They expose the limits of the reach of islam. Its a problem with all universalizing religions. NO ONE CARES IF YOU THINK ITS WRONG YOU OR YOUR FANTASTIC DIETY DO NOT CONTROL HUMAN BEHAVIOR.