vick not charged

[thascary1]

and why are you taking this so seriously scary1? it seems like youre taking this whole ordeal personally, calling me a nutrider. get real my friend. what does that make you if you turn out wrong in the end?

I am not taking this seriously..I am calling you on it and calling you nut rider because from day 1 you kept saying nothing happened he's a breeder that shit belongs to breeders, not dead dogs, etc etc etc etc

so far you have been wrong




on top of that you said vick is one of the best qb's in the league and will win a super bowl....which that also is wrong

 

[thascary1]

what part of NO EVIDENCE TO LINK VICK do you not understand scary1?

I CALLED THIS FOR THE WITCH HUNT IT WAS FROM DAY 1.

nobody called for him to be arrested from day 1????


can you not get your facts str8????


This is not a witch hunt

WHEN THEY FOUND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR!!!!!



They went there looking for evidence of dogfighting...THEY FOUND IT....that's it!!! that's all this was about


they found what they were looking for!

 

[Crusaderrugby]

Man he got off hes a good ass football player and need s to lay low

 

[phil]

youre right, all the federal investigation was about was finding evidence of dog fighting. the zealous animal rights organizations and the media didnt give a shit about dog fighting compared to NABBING AN NFL SUPERSTAR. THAT WAS THE WITCHHUNT.

the media wasnt looking for evidence of dog fighting. they were looking for MIKE VICK TO BE CONVICTED OF DOG FIGHTING. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. argue all you want thats what it was. and like i said from the beginning and this still remains true, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SO FAR THAT SUGGESTS MICHAEL VICK HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH DOGFIGHTING. YOU CAN BE RIGHT ABOUT WHAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS VICK WASNT INVOLVED. it was quite apparent from the beginning the way the disinformation campaign was launched by the media.

i will go on record as saying, now that training of dogs for the purpose of fighting has been proven to have taken place at the residence, i find it hard to believe vick oblivious to this going on, but thats just my opinion.

and like i said before if vick never wins a super bowl he'll be up there with losers like jim kelly and warren moon, dan fouts, dan marino and donovan mcnabb who are all inferior to brad johnson and trent dilfer because they have rings. right?

 

[phil]

^LOL... Slick Vick got away. Good call Phil!

its wasnt hard to spot from the jump.

its chic to bash vick nowadays.

no other player in the league is blamed for a shitty defense, multiple injuries on the team, bottom of the barrel wide receivers and puny offensive lineman. PEYTON MANNING WOULD BE RYAN LEAF WORKING WITH WHAT VICK HAS HAD TO WORK WITH.

 

[imawalkingcorps]

what part of NO EVIDENCE TO LINK VICK do you not understand scary1?

I CALLED THIS FOR THE WITCH HUNT IT WAS FROM DAY 1.

Think of it this way.. You are a millionaire NFL player. You have 1 house in Virginia that you let your cousin and various people stay in. Do you A. NEVER visit said house? Or B. Visit said house and ignore the obviously illegal things going on there. It's not like Vick has 30 other properties to keep an eye on, to believe that he did not know what was going is either stupid or naive. That being said I believe Vick will get off because Blank will make sure everyone who needs free tickets and money will get taken care of.

 

[thascary1]

and like i said before if vick never wins a super bowl he'll be up there with losers like jim kelly and warren moon, dan fouts, dan marino and donovan mcnabb who are all inferior to brad johnson and trent dilfer because they have rings. right?

bwhahahahahahahahaha

comparing vick to kelly, moon, fouts, marino......bwhahahahaha


vick is inferior..BECAUSE HE CAN'T THROW!!!!!!!!!!



Fuck the no o-line bullshit..I was watched enough games of his to watch with my own 2 eyes rollouts where no rush is happeing and he still misses the open wr's.


gice him a throw over 15 yards and he totally misfires it....get the fuck outtta here tryig to compare him to some of the most accurate and best passers this game as ever seen....he is a rb posing as a qb...that's it.....and at that rate give fuckin LT the ballmore and he could throw better than Vick.....lol

fuck outta here comparin vick to moon and marino and kelly.....lol



let him get to and win a playoff game before you compare him to qb's with good playoff records who have actually been past round 2! lol


And he can't even get TO the playoffs in a fucking watered down NFC that is shit and any team with a decent qb makes the playoffs.

 

[Tony]

let him get to and win a playoff game before you compare him to qb's with good playoff records who have actually been past round 2! lol

He's been in the NFC Championship.

 

[thascary1]

He's been in the NFC Championship.

again...since when??? he hasn't did shit since!!!! no playoffs since!!!


not too mention most the other qb's he tried to compare him too they made the Bowl...not just conference championship


add to that Vick only has 2...count them 2 playoff wins? IN 6 FUCKING YEARS!

Name me anything "PASSING WISE" that he has accomplished in the NFL....he is nothing but a rb! NO RUNNING QB HAS EVER WON THE SUPERBOWL!

It really isn't hard to understand that type of FACT!



I also like the fact that he Vick lovers say he doesn't have anything to work with.......NO EXCUSE!!! Elway had alot worse than Vick ever has had and elway made the superbowls and won in playoffs!


dunn, duckett, horn, price, crumpler.....thsoe are all better than the Elway products of winder, vance, nattiel, mark jackson........

And Elway won...with nothing!!!!

The nfc sucks.....if you cannot compete in the nfc nowadays you cannot call your self one of the better qb's today....much less ever

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

So they found 10 dead dogs on his property....is that not ENOUGH evidence to show either he knew what was goin on OR he was doing the training/hosting the fights?

 

[phil]

again...since when??? he hasn't did shit since!!!! no playoffs since!!!


not too mention most the other qb's he tried to compare him too they made the Bowl...not just conference championship


add to that Vick only has 2...count them 2 playoff wins? IN 6 FUCKING YEARS!

Name me anything "PASSING WISE" that he has accomplished in the NFL....he is nothing but a rb! NO RUNNING QB HAS EVER WON THE SUPERBOWL!

It really isn't hard to understand that type of FACT!



I also like the fact that he Vick lovers say he doesn't have anything to work with.......NO EXCUSE!!! Elway had alot worse than Vick ever has had and elway made the superbowls and won in playoffs!


dunn, duckett, horn, price, crumpler.....thsoe are all better than the Elway products of winder, vance, nattiel, mark jackson........

And Elway won...with nothing!!!!

The nfc sucks.....if you cannot compete in the nfc nowadays you cannot call your self one of the better qb's today....much less ever

you say dunn duckett horn price and crumpler. ill give you dunn and crumpler but theres still no wr and no pass protection. name 1 team or 1 season peerless price ever had AS A NUMBER 1 RECEIVER AND DIDNT HAVE ERIC MOULDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD. IS HE EVEN IN THE NFL ANYMORE? HE GOT CUT FROM DALLAS AND ONLY PLAYED ON SPECIAL TEAMS CHECK YOUR FACTS, DUCKETT? WHERE IS DUCKETT? DID HE START ONE GAME FOR WASHINGTON LAST YEAR? NO! DID HE HAVE OVER 100 CARRIES? DID HE HAVE 50? GO CHECK AND LET ME KNOW!! JOE HORN HASNT EVEN PUT ON A FALCON UNIFORM YET SO HOW DOES HE COUNT?

DUNN WAS DIMINISHING BEFORE HE CAME TO ATLANTA AND HE WAS NO PROBOWLER LAST YEAR. ASIDE FROM A COUPLE 70+ BREAKAWAY RUNS HE AVERAGED MAYBE 65 YARDS A GAME LAST YEAR. AGAIN, CHECK Y0UR FACTS HOMEBOY.

I DIDNT COMPARE VICK TO THOSE GUYS YOU DID. THEY DIDNT WIN A SUPER BOWL EITHER. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. TRENT DILFER IS A BETTER QB THAN DAN MARINO. HE HAS A RING DAN DOESNT. SEE HOW YOUR LOGIC WORKS?

WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING PETRINO ADDRESSED WHEN HE CAME TO ATLANTA?

ill give you a hint, the first word is offensive, and the second word is line. i'll let you figure out the rest.

vick played well enough to get the team to the playoffs last year. i know you didnt watch all of atlantas games. anyone who did could see that the defense, injuries, shitty play calling and overall coaching incompetence were far more devastating to the team than any miscue by vick. he lost maybe 3 ggames for us last year. the rest you can make an argument that he did what he had to. but you dont need to watch the games to know do you? you ggot espn right?

 

[phil]

scary one your reading comprehension must be lacking, i never compared vick to marino moon kelly etc... YOU DID. YOU PUT HIM IN THE CATEGORY OF NEVER WINNING A SUPER BOWL. i just reminded you of what company that put him in.

 

[Tony]

So they found 10 dead dogs on his property....is that not ENOUGH evidence to show either he knew what was goin on OR he was doing the training/hosting the fights?

Yeah but they still gotta prove that Vick knew. I personally think he knew and he was involved... but they somehow gotta prove he knew what was going on.

 

[Tony]

I don't think Vick should be blamed for Atlanta's failures. Last year his receivers were dropping balls left and right.

 

[thascary1]

scary one your reading comprehension must be lacking, i never compared vick to marino moon kelly etc... YOU DID. YOU PUT HIM IN THE CATEGORY OF NEVER WINNING A SUPER BOWL. i just reminded you of what company that put him in.

bwhahahaha


I quoted where you said thos enames..hence...YOU SAID IT!


I never once said dunn duckett proice were great now did I...WHAT I SAID WAS THEY WERE BETTER THAN WHAT ELWAY HAD TO WORK WITH WHEN ELWAY WENT TO HIS FIRST 3 SUPER BOWLS!!!!!!


It's funny you bring up reading comprehsion because so far in every post to me that is what you are showing you are lacking..


first example.......you said I am wanting vick to get charged...I never said that...I said there was dog fighting at that residence.

second example...you said no proff, every thing they found was for breeding....when I told you what elese they found you dismissed what I said (even though it has come to iht I was right) and said I was coming back to vick...again I never said that


now the third example you said I said those were great p[layers...uhh read again....all I said was Elway did way more with way less.




it's funny you want to talk about a bad o-line yet Dunn and duckett consistently combined for good running stats....yet denver never really did in the days I'm talking about.

it's funny you keep saying bad o-line, when Elway was under more consistent pressure and had some very very jigh sack totals because of no o-line.




so again actually read what I write and you may understand somethings!

 

[phil]

I don't think Vick should be blamed for Atlanta's failures. Last year his receivers were dropping balls left and right.

its really easy to tell who watches games and who gets their opinion from the stat lines. any announcer who did falcons games last year, dick vermeil, joe theismann, phil simms, brian baldinger, troy aikman (notice most of them are qbs) the list goes on. they all had one thing in common. THEY ALL NOTICED AND MENTIONED ATLANTAS SUBPAR OLINE, WRS, AND PLAYCALLING STATING NO QB COULD SUCCEED WITH SUCH LIMITED WEAPONS. THEY MENTIONED HOW THE RECEIVERS LACKED THE ABILITY TO GAIN SEPARATION AND WHEN THEY DID, THEY DROPPED THE BALL. AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PREDICTABLE GREG KNAPPS PLAYCALLING ITS 1ST DOWN RUN, 2ND DOWN RUN, 3RD DOWN PASS , SO ALL THOSE DROPPED PASSES WERE ON 3RD DOWNS AND FOR TOUCHDOWNS!!! VICK CARRIED THAT TEAM LAST YEAR. THATS THE ONLY BRIGHT SPOT WE HAD. like i said its chic to bash vick nowadays.

 

[phil]

keep using john elway and denver as a reason why its vicks fault his oline (pass protection) sucked and his receivers were garbage. its really not proving your point any.

WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING PETRINO ADDRESSED WHEN HE CAME TO TOWN LET ME KNOW. wow we led the league in rushing last 2 years. PASS PROTECTION SUFFERED FOR IT. YET YOU BLAME VICK.

 

[phil]

AND ELWAY NEVER WON A SUPER BOWL WITH THAT SO CALLED SHITTY TEAM YOU KEEP BRINGING UP. WHY DONT YOU COME UP WITH ANOTHER EXAMPLE? YOU PROBABLY CANT BECAUSE ELWAY WAS ONE OF THE GREATS OF ALL TIME AND ONE OF MY PERSONAL FAVORITES. IM NOT SAYING VICK IS ELWAY BUT COME ON, SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OF A QB TAKING HIS TEAM TO A SUPERBOWL VICTORY WITH A SUBPAR TEAM. NOT EVEN ELWAY DID THAT. SO WHY DO YOU EXPECT VICK TO BE ABLE TO?

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, VICK DOESNT CATCH PASSES, VICK DOESNT BLOCK PASS RUSHERS, VICK DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 55 MILLION DOLLARS IN CAP MONEY SITTING ON THE BENCH INJURED!!! ABRAHAM, KERNEY, COLEMAN, ETCC......

 

[thascary1]

you say dunn duckett horn price and crumpler. ill give you dunn and crumpler but theres still no wr and no pass protection. name 1 team or 1 season peerless price ever had AS A NUMBER 1 RECEIVER AND DIDNT HAVE ERIC MOULDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD. IS HE EVEN IN THE NFL ANYMORE? HE GOT CUT FROM DALLAS AND ONLY PLAYED ON SPECIAL TEAMS CHECK YOUR FACTS, DUCKETT? WHERE IS DUCKETT? DID HE START ONE GAME FOR WASHINGTON LAST YEAR? NO! DID HE HAVE OVER 100 CARRIES? DID HE HAVE 50? GO CHECK AND LET ME KNOW!! JOE HORN HASNT EVEN PUT ON A FALCON UNIFORM YET SO HOW DOES HE COUNT?

DUNN WAS DIMINISHING BEFORE HE CAME TO ATLANTA AND HE WAS NO PROBOWLER LAST YEAR. ASIDE FROM A COUPLE 70+ BREAKAWAY RUNS HE AVERAGED MAYBE 65 YARDS A GAME LAST YEAR. AGAIN, CHECK Y0UR FACTS HOMEBOY.

I DIDNT COMPARE VICK TO THOSE GUYS YOU DID. THEY DIDNT WIN A SUPER BOWL EITHER. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT. TRENT DILFER IS A BETTER QB THAN DAN MARINO. HE HAS A RING DAN DOESNT. SEE HOW YOUR LOGIC WORKS?

WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING PETRINO ADDRESSED WHEN HE CAME TO ATLANTA?

ill give you a hint, the first word is offensive, and the second word is line. i'll let you figure out the rest.

vick played well enough to get the team to the playoffs last year. i know you didnt watch all of atlantas games. anyone who did could see that the defense, injuries, shitty play calling and overall coaching incompetence were far more devastating to the team than any miscue by vick. he lost maybe 3 ggames for us last year. the rest you can make an argument that he did what he had to. but you dont need to watch the games to know do you? you ggot espn right?

ding ding ding.....I put NO stock into ESPN.....if you were to take everything they say at value Vick is one of the better players...so whats your point...they have no stock in my opinions! They have the biggest east coast bias of all major sports outlets and half the time have no clue what goes on.





No on to your no o-line theory


to have no -o-line means you wouldn't have much of a rushing attack...see oakland last year.....see arizona, etc.....


yet you tell me to look at stats and what do I see???????


2006, atlanta #1
2005, atlanta #1
2004, atlanta #1

within all 3 of those years...the so called disminshed skills back of dunn is NO WORSE then the 15th best stated running back...hmmmmmm disminished huh??? well if he has disminished skills, then his o-line must be doing a pretty damn good job for him to ALWAYS be in the top half of stats for his position!!!!!!



Also! what is the key to a good passing attack????

RUSHING!!!!!




They have the #1rushing team...so why aren't the pass stats there????


VICK IS A SORRY ASS QB!!!!!!




Just proved all your theories wrong. Now you are a fan.I GET THAT!!!! I like players more than some people do too...I.E. I am a Plummer fan and don't buy into half the stuff people say about him being a good qb..he won games pure and simple.......but never once did you hear me spouting him to be a top qb.....thats the difference!

So be a fan fine! But do not come on here with half assed knowledge trying to brag your boy up to be something he is not!


read those stats again if you need them

 

[thascary1]

AND ELWAY NEVER WON A SUPER BOWL WITH THAT SO CALLED SHITTY TEAM YOU KEEP BRINGING UP. WHY DONT YOU COME UP WITH ANOTHER EXAMPLE? YOU PROBABLY CANT BECAUSE ELWAY WAS ONE OF THE GREATS OF ALL TIME AND ONE OF MY PERSONAL FAVORITES. IM NOT SAYING VICK IS ELWAY BUT COME ON, SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OF A QB TAKING HIS TEAM TO A SUPERBOWL VICTORY WITH A SUBPAR TEAM. NOT EVEN ELWAY DID THAT. SO WHY DO YOU EXPECT VICK TO BE ABLE TO?

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, VICK DOESNT CATCH PASSES, VICK DOESNT BLOCK PASS RUSHERS, VICK DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 55 MILLION DOLLARS IN CAP MONEY SITTING ON THE BENCH INJURED!!! ABRAHAM, KERNEY, COLEMAN, ETCC......

my point is........Elway had more of a sub par team than Vick, yet he made it to multiple super bowls...Vick has a better team than Elway could have imagined those years yet cannot win more than 1 playoff game a year


again...reading comprehension skills are l;acking like you wanted to point out.