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A lot of the wwe wrestlers will probably get smashed on, but to say they wont win a fight is insane. You don't know who would fight who and all it takes is ONE punch and its lights out. Also, if you take a grappler like angle and put him in a fight with a striker whats going to happen in the long run if the striker CAN'T knock him out? All fights that involve both striking and wrestling ALWAYS go to the ground if a person isn't knocked out. What can a striker do when he is on the ground with a grappler?
Also, I think some of the Japanese wrestlers CAN give a couple of the UFC guys a run for their money, but at the end of the day sports entertainment (wwe,ecw,tna) is scripted entertainment. This is totally different from REAL fighting. In essence this is like the harlem globetrotters playing a pro nba team.
Also, I think some of the Japanese wrestlers CAN give a couple of the UFC guys a run for their money, but at the end of the day sports entertainment (wwe,ecw,tna) is scripted entertainment. This is totally different from REAL fighting. In essence this is like the harlem globetrotters playing a pro nba team.
anyone does have a punchers chance, but what you gotta remember is that MMA fighters train hard on sprawling techniques(when two fighters lock arms together to prevent a takedown). Josh Barnett who recently was victorious at the last pride event also wrestles for new japan pro wrestling. A few years back some Mexican luchadore can't think of his name two face something fought against mirko crocop and he did one of those moves luchadores are famous and got out of an arm lock but the end result was a vicious high kick to the dome that KO'd him to kingdom come.......Kurt angle might be successful taking down an MMA fighter but what kind of ground game does he have other than lay n pray?? Holding an opponent down tends to tire you out faster than throwing hands......
Yes, they do train to prevent being taken down, but how many are taken down? MANY. How many loose the match as a result of being taken down? MANY. In fact it is my opinion that more people in the UFC have lost due to submissions than getting knocked out. Thats just my opinion. I don't have the stats to back this up, however like I said before if you don't knock the guy out you are going to the ground and this is where grapplers have an advantage.
LMAO!
Kurt Angle is an olympic gold medalist in FREESTYLE wrestling. Freestyle wrestling is different from greco roman wrestling where emphasis is placed on throws and grapples above the waist. Freestyle wrestlers DON'T lay and pray. Have you ever been placed in a wrestling hold by a freestyle wrestler? I have. My brother-in-law held freestyle records at Hogan High and San Francisco State (he is in his late 40's now, and the records were broken within the last 5-10 years), trust me when I tell you that shit HURTS.
Also, I disagree with your belief that holding a person down tends to tire you out faster than throwing hands. Each person is different and conditioning plays a VITAL role in the grand scheme. Look at UFC fighters or BOXERS who throw hella punches and DON'T connect. Throwing and MISSING will tire you out even more, and being held down (not the one doing teh holding) is going to tire you out because you have to hold your weight and the other persons weight.
LMAO!
Kurt Angle is an olympic gold medalist in FREESTYLE wrestling. Freestyle wrestling is different from greco roman wrestling where emphasis is placed on throws and grapples above the waist. Freestyle wrestlers DON'T lay and pray. Have you ever been placed in a wrestling hold by a freestyle wrestler? I have. My brother-in-law held freestyle records at Hogan High and San Francisco State (he is in his late 40's now, and the records were broken within the last 5-10 years), trust me when I tell you that shit HURTS.
Also, I disagree with your belief that holding a person down tends to tire you out faster than throwing hands. Each person is different and conditioning plays a VITAL role in the grand scheme. Look at UFC fighters or BOXERS who throw hella punches and DON'T connect. Throwing and MISSING will tire you out even more, and being held down (not the one doing teh holding) is going to tire you out because you have to hold your weight and the other persons weight.
I'm with HERESY.
Put Puder against Angle and Angle will DESTROY him. That match was probably scripted to make it seem like Puder would have eventually taken him down with the Kimura (although it didn't look like one) that Puder had on him. Puder is a hack and CONSTANTLY whores girls out to get the focus off of his skill.
Angle I do not like but he has a HISTORY IN GRAPPLING. Take him against ANY UFC grappler in a straight grappling match and guess who will win? The man is Olympicly conditioned. And do you people honestly believe he can't get some months worth of training in basic striking and submissions before he fights a UFC fighter in their turf? Come on!
I'm not saying Angle would win against Royce, Shamrock, or Arvloski but to say a wrslter who has already mastered GRAPPLING and SHOOT FIGHTING wont win a single match with the right training? Come on!
Put Puder against Angle and Angle will DESTROY him. That match was probably scripted to make it seem like Puder would have eventually taken him down with the Kimura (although it didn't look like one) that Puder had on him. Puder is a hack and CONSTANTLY whores girls out to get the focus off of his skill.
Angle I do not like but he has a HISTORY IN GRAPPLING. Take him against ANY UFC grappler in a straight grappling match and guess who will win? The man is Olympicly conditioned. And do you people honestly believe he can't get some months worth of training in basic striking and submissions before he fights a UFC fighter in their turf? Come on!
I'm not saying Angle would win against Royce, Shamrock, or Arvloski but to say a wrslter who has already mastered GRAPPLING and SHOOT FIGHTING wont win a single match with the right training? Come on!
Do some of you fuckers realize that the WWE is fake? It's made of a bunch of roid using body builders who have no practical training. Blah blah Angle was an olympic wrestler YEARS ago but he's never had any striking training. I'd bet anything that Lidell, Tim Sylvia or Arvlosky would hand Angles ass to him any day of the week. If you took 10 UFC fighters vs. 10 WWE " wrestlers " UFC would take all fights hands down.
Nice summary Heresy, you make a lot of valid points. I have 2 brothers that freestyle wrestled for their highschools and I used to roll with them quite often, and id be a lying SOB if i said freestyle wrestling/greco roman was fake.
A very notable fight that I could remember watching was the Rulan Garner vs Hediko Yoshida fight. You have a world class olympic wrestler vs a world class olympic judo medlist. You would think Rulan would've walked all over Yoshida but again lay n pray gave him the advantage. Clearly Rulan outsized Yoshida and weight played a big factor. Had this been a championshop fight with 5 rounds Rulan would never make it past the 4th. Rulan would never step into the ring with someone of equal size say (insert your favorite fighter from any organization). He said it himself the training and the learning that comes with MMA is too much for him so i dont expect to see him in another match soon unless he needs the money.
I will never discredit Kurt Angle. He is one of the Pro Wrestlers I have the Greatest respect for. A very good friend of mine rolled with Kurt in a wrestling seminar and had nothing but the kindest words to say about him.
Im just skeptical about him stepping into a Cage or ring in a real sanctioned fight and coming out the winner unless they feed him an unskilled C class fighter.
The whole point that i was trying to point out with Puder was that he had somekind of Mixed Martial Arts training and used that to get himself over and became the winner of Tough Enough. Im not saying hes the worlds greatest fighter but I am saying it didnt hurt to have some kind of background in fighting. I could care less how Puder conducts himself in the real world and the reputation he has built upon himself. I didnt watch that series he was on, I just read a few articles here and there. I just know he is considered to be a MMA fighter.
A very notable fight that I could remember watching was the Rulan Garner vs Hediko Yoshida fight. You have a world class olympic wrestler vs a world class olympic judo medlist. You would think Rulan would've walked all over Yoshida but again lay n pray gave him the advantage. Clearly Rulan outsized Yoshida and weight played a big factor. Had this been a championshop fight with 5 rounds Rulan would never make it past the 4th. Rulan would never step into the ring with someone of equal size say (insert your favorite fighter from any organization). He said it himself the training and the learning that comes with MMA is too much for him so i dont expect to see him in another match soon unless he needs the money.
I will never discredit Kurt Angle. He is one of the Pro Wrestlers I have the Greatest respect for. A very good friend of mine rolled with Kurt in a wrestling seminar and had nothing but the kindest words to say about him.
Im just skeptical about him stepping into a Cage or ring in a real sanctioned fight and coming out the winner unless they feed him an unskilled C class fighter.
The whole point that i was trying to point out with Puder was that he had somekind of Mixed Martial Arts training and used that to get himself over and became the winner of Tough Enough. Im not saying hes the worlds greatest fighter but I am saying it didnt hurt to have some kind of background in fighting. I could care less how Puder conducts himself in the real world and the reputation he has built upon himself. I didnt watch that series he was on, I just read a few articles here and there. I just know he is considered to be a MMA fighter.
I believe everyone here realizes this or has openly stated it. In regards to myself I have already said, "but at the end of the day sports entertainment (wwe,ecw,tna) is scripted entertainment. This is totally different from REAL fighting. In essence this is like the harlem globetrotters playing a pro nba team."
Many of them don't take roids and you would have to define "practical training" before you say none of them have it.
First off, you don't know WHAT kind of training the man has done in his private life. I am not saying he has had any striking training, but I am not saying he hasn't. What I am saying is if he were to fight and was NOT knocked out, the fight would go to the ground and the advantage would go to the grappler. Also, Angle HAS already wrestled MMA/UFC fighters (Kerr and Coleman), he lost to both of them, but this was before he won his medals.
This is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. At the end of the day you have to remember that despite the insane amount of gimmicks a lot of the "wrestlers" in WWE are athletes. Also, what would be the criteria for the both groups? Do I honestly believe the majority of UFC fighters can beat WWE wrestlers? Yes, however, the UFC fighters are also prone to error. All it takes is ONE punch, at the right place, at the time and its over. No amount of striking skills or grappling skills will be needed at that point because its lights out.
Many of them don't take roids and you would have to define "practical training" before you say none of them have it.
First off, you don't know WHAT kind of training the man has done in his private life. I am not saying he has had any striking training, but I am not saying he hasn't. What I am saying is if he were to fight and was NOT knocked out, the fight would go to the ground and the advantage would go to the grappler. Also, Angle HAS already wrestled MMA/UFC fighters (Kerr and Coleman), he lost to both of them, but this was before he won his medals.
This is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. At the end of the day you have to remember that despite the insane amount of gimmicks a lot of the "wrestlers" in WWE are athletes. Also, what would be the criteria for the both groups? Do I honestly believe the majority of UFC fighters can beat WWE wrestlers? Yes, however, the UFC fighters are also prone to error. All it takes is ONE punch, at the right place, at the time and its over. No amount of striking skills or grappling skills will be needed at that point because its lights out.