Today's Whack Artists, but yesterdays classics and slept on songs!

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It seems a lot of artists now a days that are in the mainstream used to be dope (but that probably isn't a new thought). But anyways, I wanted to share on who I thought had some dope shit even though their street and underground credibility today is SHIT! I notice everyone seems to complain about various artists not being what the used to be, so why not I make a BIG ASS post about it!

Puff Daddy/P. Diddy - Some songs off "No Way Out" made more sense than anything he has out now. The songs off that LP I am about to list are actually hot in the fact that they seem more realistic than most of his pop crap.

Here is a list of slept on songs off "No Way Out" that I am talking about!
"What You Gonna Do?"
"Pain"
"The World is Filled" w/Biggie Smallz & Too $hort
"Young G's" feat. Notorious B.I.G. and Jay-Z (Diddy's best song in my opinion)



Black Eyed Peas - Before Justin Timberlake or Fergie, BEP made some real hot original material. Their first album was nothing but heat in the sense that they used a live band and not that many mainstream samples. Not to mention a lot of their songs had some militant tones (like what Dead Prez usually brings) but more fun to listen to!

Slept on Songs:
"Movement"
"Be Free"
"What It Is"
"Love Won't Wait"
"Head Bops"
"Positivity"


50 Cent - It used to be just 50 and G Unit before 50 got shot and shit. "The Power of a Dollar" came with mad lyrical shit! Being signed to Slim Shady brought this cat some overrated credit, a little too much if you ask me!


Wu Tang Clan - Wu had some nice lyrics and some bangin beats back in the day. But their last 2 albums were complete garbage and had nothing original. Cappadonna, Ghost, and The RZA still seem to be holding it down on the integrity side, while Method Man is all commercial!


Eminem - This fool and his concepts are getting old! I mean "Infinite" and "The Slim Shady LP" was hot, but after The "Marshall Mathers LP" it became pretty clear that he was eating off his breakthrough album by makind dull repettitive copies. Signing 50 was the best and worst move he could make since 50 is getting more exposure but for stupid reasons like these suburban white kids who listen to Eminem and any artist he puts out (D12 would be nowhere without Slim Shady).
The worst thing is the fact that this bitch thinks he owns rap now. Just because a lot of suburban punk rock white kids buy your rap album don't mean you got real credit. And basically homie sleez said it best himself "Eminem is NOT Gangsta".


Jay-Z - Everything from Reasonable Doubt to Hard Knock Life seemed bangin. I know there are a lot of mixed opinions on this dude, but in my personal opinion he seemed more alive and lyrically organized in his first 3 albums. Now he just seems bored with the stuff he makes, probably cuz he gonna retire soon and has all the cheese so what should he care!


Master P - Remember when he used to rep Richmond with the original No Limit label. Now all of his albums before "Ghetto D" displayed some of that west coast heat! Ghetto D is probably the last good album that P. Miller came with. Everything after that just seems to be feel good and dance club orientated. That same reason is partly why C-Murder landed in jail (he did not like P's transition so he spent more time in the CP3 getting into all sorts of shit).


Ice Cube - Too easy, everyone knows what to say (Amerikkkaz Most Wanted)


Dr. Dre - The Chronic, NWA, and Unreleased Tracks. That's all I have to say!


LL Cool J - Another one too eazy! But some of these songs bang!
"Mama Said Knock U Out" (one of the songs that got me into hip hop)
"Back Seat of My Jeep"
"4 3 2 1"
"Fatty Girl"
"Round The Way Girl"
"The 4 Seasons"


The Fugees/Wyclef Jean - I guess you can say they are way past fallen off but when they came out with shit ahead of their time back in their days. I think it all ended with the album Carnival by Wyclef that these cats started falling off. Wyclef's mad weak now if you ask me!
 
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MC_PM$ said:
Eminem - I mean "Infinite" and "The Slim Shady LP" was hot, but after The "Marshall Mathers LP" it became pretty clear that he was eating off his breakthrough album by makind dull repettitive copies.


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Dull Repetitive copies? Maybe you haven't heard any of his cds. They are all 4 very different.
 
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the BEP are Generic and phoney in my opinion, and weople should just buy the Roots music or DP cuz they have way more to offer
 
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Re: Re: Today's Whack Artists, but yesterdays classics and slept on songs!

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Dull Repetitive copies? Maybe you haven't heard any of his cds. They are all 4 very different.
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Man I own Infinite, The Slim Shady LP, and The Marshal Mathers LP. So that's 3 down to go right there, plus his newer stuff is what my dumb mark ass friends own and bump all the time, so I hear his new shit all the time!

Yes I agree with you that they are all very different, but it all comes down to personal taste I guess if nobody realizes what I am saying.

Infinite was kinda weak I agree, but what I am trying to point out that The Slim Shady LP is what made Eminem what he is today. And yes I have heard all his new songs and all, they might have some good cuts out of all of them but in general they don't seem as significant as the Slim Shady LP!

Besides, I only paid money for the Slim Shady LP, all the other Eminem albums were given to me for free so I ain't complaining!
 
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M-1 said:
the BEP are Generic and phoney in my opinion, and weople should just buy the Roots music or DP cuz they have way more to offer
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I know what you mean! The Roots and DP have a lot more to offer in that category but still BEP came out with a really original and tight first album. It's just that they went pop after that!
 
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Interesting post. I especially agree with your points about Jay-Z, Master P, LL Cool J., The Black Eyed Peas, Dre and Wu-Tang. A couple questions/points on my part, if I could:

ICE CUBE--you mentioned AMERIKKKA'S MOST WANTED, which is most definitely a classic. But many considered DEATH CERTIFICATE and even THE PREDATOR to also be classics. What did you think of those? For me, the "falloff" probably began with LETHAL INJECTION...

THE FUGEES--I agree with you, but I think another thing that killed them was the same thing that hurt Coolio and Arrested Development: too many kids who normally hate rap buying their CDs, thus causing critics and parents who normally hate rap to start praising them as "a wonderful alternative to that horrible, decadent, gangsta 'garbage' out there, blah blah blah..." That kind of thing will usually turn off a lot of fans...

There's another group I was thinking of that you forgot to mention...

2 LIVE CREW--before they became famous with the "obscenity" controversy in 1990, they were selling only locally in the south and southwest. But their first two CDs (2 LIVE IS WHAT WE ARE and MOVE SOMETHIN") both had a grimy ambience that vanished after 1990. Lyrically, Brother Marquis and Fresh Kid Ice really could rap when they were allowed...when Luke became the focal point, the music got more dance-oriented, though...

PEACE!
 
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sav-man said:
Interesting post. I especially agree with your points about Jay-Z, Master P, LL Cool J., The Black Eyed Peas, Dre and Wu-Tang. A couple questions/points on my part, if I could:

ICE CUBE--you mentioned AMERIKKKA'S MOST WANTED, which is most definitely a classic. But many considered DEATH CERTIFICATE and even THE PREDATOR to also be classics. What did you think of those? For me, the "falloff" probably began with LETHAL INJECTION...

THE FUGEES--I agree with you, but I think another thing that killed them was the same thing that hurt Coolio and Arrested Development: too many kids who normally hate rap buying their CDs, thus causing critics and parents who normally hate rap to start praising them as "a wonderful alternative to that horrible, decadent, gangsta 'garbage' out there, blah blah blah..." That kind of thing will usually turn off a lot of fans...

There's another group I was thinking of that you forgot to mention...

2 LIVE CREW--before they became famous with the "obscenity" controversy in 1990, they were selling only locally in the south and southwest. But their first two CDs (2 LIVE IS WHAT WE ARE and MOVE SOMETHIN") both had a grimy ambience that vanished after 1990. Lyrically, Brother Marquis and Fresh Kid Ice really could rap when they were allowed...when Luke became the focal point, the music got more dance-oriented, though...

PEACE!
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I have some answers for you!

Ice Cube:
Sorry I forgot to mention all the others before Lethal Injection. I just saw Amerikkaz Most Wanted as the classical crowd fav so I put that up. My personal fav is The Predator.
I know what you are saying, right after Predator he did that Westside Connection (which I thought the concept was pretty stupid since all they rapped about was throwing up the West and rapping about themselves. Good songs but just did not have a lot of balance or diversity in the album).

The War Disc was tight but not like the others and there's no doubting that. The Peace Disc though kinda did not make any sense. Still tight but nothing compared to the others.

The Fugees:
I know what you are saying. I don't know why those kids bought their albums. I mean I guess they came at the right place at the right time. Yeah 1996 (my favorite year) hip hop finally got recognized by white america which is a good thing and a bad thing. I can see what you mean by bad credit because they are praised and all that, but they all started to change after "The Score". I mean Wyclef said it himself that he gotta give the radio plays their hits before he can do his own shit.


2 Live Crew:
I never really payed any attention to the 2 Live Crew. I was aware of their existance but I did not really pay enough attention to see what kind of music they brought. I am not a hater of them, it's just they did not spark any interest so I can't really offer a comment. But yes I will listen to their stuff so that I can keep more of an open mind.

Cypress Hill:
Didn't they used to be hip hop? Their music now is all smoking weed and doing that Rap-Metal hybrid shit. I hate that shit, it just does not sound right! They fucking with Techno now too so that's some real fucked up shit! I honestly think the most talent they got is Sen Dog, but he ain't gettin any major parts!

Run DMC
I think their hottest effort was "Down With The King" but this new shit they're doing with all these rock singers doesn't make sense.

BBD/New Edition
I think their early 90's style worked for them in it's respected time period, now I see these cats all dressed up like them busters B2K dancing and shit. Yes they are the godfather of all these pop r&b boybands but they don't have to look and act like them

Guru (Solo)
He had some pretty bumpin and chill shit for his first volume of Jazzmatazz! Gang Starr never fell off in my opinion but Guru the solo artist.....that's another story! His latest installment of Jazzmatazz does not seem to have that bounce that the first had!

A lot of other groups don't make new music anymore. They just basically stopped and gave up!
 
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^^^ Fruity indeed! I just wanted to point out that he has a couple of good tracks although people tend to overlook them and focus on how fruity he is! Well you're all right, but at least I am giving him credit for some of the good shit he put out!
 
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^^^ LOL Cryogenically frozen! I think greed got to that fool, since he is one of the top millionaires under 40 in the US (according to forbes magazine) and the richest rapper out there right now. Gaining that noteriety at the expense of his label alienating those who got him his millions in the first place.

If it wasn't for Fiend, Mystikal, Mac, Soulja Slim, Kane & Abel, Snoop, and a bunch of others. P wouldn't be where he is today!

I often wonder if he sleeps at nights thinking about Richmond!
 
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MC_PM$ said:
^^^ LOL Cryogenically frozen! I think greed got to that fool, since he is one of the top millionaires under 40 in the US (according to forbes magazine) and the richest rapper out there right now. Gaining that noteriety at the expense of his label alienating those who got him his millions in the first place.

If it wasn't for Fiend, Mystikal, Mac, Soulja Slim, Kane & Abel, Snoop, and a bunch of others. P wouldn't be where he is today!

I often wonder if he sleeps at nights thinking about Richmond!
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Agreed. Except for Mystikal and Snoop, P didn't seem to push the other rappers that you mentioned as much as he did himself and his two brothers, Silkk and C-Murder, who IMHO really weren't technically the best rappers No Limit had to offer. Fiend, Mac, Soulja Slim, Kane & Abel, Big Ed (R.I.P.) and even Mia X and Mr. Serv-On all had some REALLY nice flows and their solos all had some good, deep, meaningful songs (okay, Big Ed's solo sucked, but I doubt that it was his fault). In many ways, those folks kept No Limit "real" enough that you could still basically enjoy their CDs during the '97-98 period (the bottom fell out, IMHO, when Beats By The Pound left).

You know who else was really dope from No Limit back in the day? Tre-8 (get GHETTO STORIES now if you don't already have it). PEACE!
 
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I mentioned Mystikal and Snoop cause when he had them on his label, just the names and the hype themselves of what they had was enough to give that buzz to No Limit (Snoop at the time was reeling from a contract mess with Death Row and Master P having Snoop was kind of like "oooh he got Snoop")

I will definetely try and get Tre-8 if I can find it anywhere.

The artists you just mentioned where they keep it real. My comment on that is keeping it real and keeping it business don't exactly go together as you can see with "The NEW No Limit". I think he kept Mia-X so that fans of the old No Limit have at least one old artist to relate to. All his new artists are just pure gimmick and trash.

And out of TRU, I think C-Murder had the best skill. Infact C-Murder isn't even on No Limit records anymore. His latest album "Tru Dawgs" isn't even on No Limit plus Master P did not push him as much, infact bumping him lower down the list with pushing Lil' Romeo instead of him (which is why I think C-Murder flipped his whig in a sense).
 
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MC_PM$ said:
It seems a lot of artists now a days that are in the mainstream used to be dope (but that probably isn't a new thought). But anyways, I wanted to share on who I thought had some dope shit even though their street and underground credibility today is SHIT! I notice everyone seems to complain about various artists not being what the used to be, so why not I make a BIG ASS post about it!

Puff Daddy/P. Diddy - Some songs off "No Way Out" made more sense than anything he has out now. The songs off that LP I am about to list are actually hot in the fact that they seem more realistic than most of his pop crap.

Here is a list of slept on songs off "No Way Out" that I am talking about!
"What You Gonna Do?"
"Pain"
"The World is Filled" w/Biggie Smallz & Too $hort
"Young G's" feat. Notorious B.I.G. and Jay-Z (Diddy's best song in my opinion)



Black Eyed Peas - Before Justin Timberlake or Fergie, BEP made some real hot original material. Their first album was nothing but heat in the sense that they used a live band and not that many mainstream samples. Not to mention a lot of their songs had some militant tones (like what Dead Prez usually brings) but more fun to listen to!

Slept on Songs:
"Movement"
"Be Free"
"What It Is"
"Love Won't Wait"
"Head Bops"
"Positivity"


50 Cent - It used to be just 50 and G Unit before 50 got shot and shit. "The Power of a Dollar" came with mad lyrical shit! Being signed to Slim Shady brought this cat some overrated credit, a little too much if you ask me!


Wu Tang Clan - Wu had some nice lyrics and some bangin beats back in the day. But their last 2 albums were complete garbage and had nothing original. Cappadonna, Ghost, and The RZA still seem to be holding it down on the integrity side, while Method Man is all commercial!


Eminem - This fool and his concepts are getting old! I mean "Infinite" and "The Slim Shady LP" was hot, but after The "Marshall Mathers LP" it became pretty clear that he was eating off his breakthrough album by makind dull repettitive copies. Signing 50 was the best and worst move he could make since 50 is getting more exposure but for stupid reasons like these suburban white kids who listen to Eminem and any artist he puts out (D12 would be nowhere without Slim Shady).
The worst thing is the fact that this bitch thinks he owns rap now. Just because a lot of suburban punk rock white kids buy your rap album don't mean you got real credit. And basically homie sleez said it best himself "Eminem is NOT Gangsta".


Jay-Z - Everything from Reasonable Doubt to Hard Knock Life seemed bangin. I know there are a lot of mixed opinions on this dude, but in my personal opinion he seemed more alive and lyrically organized in his first 3 albums. Now he just seems bored with the stuff he makes, probably cuz he gonna retire soon and has all the cheese so what should he care!


Master P - Remember when he used to rep Richmond with the original No Limit label. Now all of his albums before "Ghetto D" displayed some of that west coast heat! Ghetto D is probably the last good album that P. Miller came with. Everything after that just seems to be feel good and dance club orientated. That same reason is partly why C-Murder landed in jail (he did not like P's transition so he spent more time in the CP3 getting into all sorts of shit).


Ice Cube - Too easy, everyone knows what to say (Amerikkkaz Most Wanted)


Dr. Dre - The Chronic, NWA, and Unreleased Tracks. That's all I have to say!


LL Cool J - Another one too eazy! But some of these songs bang!
"Mama Said Knock U Out" (one of the songs that got me into hip hop)
"Back Seat of My Jeep"
"4 3 2 1"
"Fatty Girl"
"Round The Way Girl"
"The 4 Seasons"


The Fugees/Wyclef Jean - I guess you can say they are way past fallen off but when they came out with shit ahead of their time back in their days. I think it all ended with the album Carnival by Wyclef that these cats started falling off. Wyclef's mad weak now if you ask me!
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HAHAHAHAHA! I read alot of your posts and agree with most of 'em, but you musta hella high when you thought this up, if not, maybe you shoulda been.
 
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A whole bench of bay area pionners released straight classic shit and now fall down. Among them, JT, Cellski, Guce, Kill tay, yukmouth, 4 tay, delinquents and the list goes on. These are some of the artists I used to listen, bumping pure pressure all day long, mr predicter or playaz n game, shit is major but when I listen mafia moves, mobality or the dominion, just wonder how you can be the hottest motherfucker behing a mic and after just put some garbage shit.
 
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