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Video is ridiculous. Some interesting discussion to be had there. Still I'm not drinking that kool aid.
This thread may not have been the place to post this because there could be a lot debated over this. Just didn't feel like making a thread about it and I have no intention of hijacking the first active thread in the gom in years. I understand you don't agree with it, but why is it ridiculous though?
I am also unaware of any kool aid that's been passing around, apparently?
 
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This thread may not have been the place to post this because there could be a lot debated over this. Just didn't feel like making a thread about it and I have no intention of hijacking the first active thread in the gom in years. I understand you don't agree with it, but why is it ridiculous though?
I am also unaware of any kool aid that's been passing around, apparently?
I didn't watch the whole thing. I think I watched maybe 6 minutes.

But one could start very first with the imagery used. Every woman was a stereotype. Most were white, most were blonde, most were in there 20-30's, accentuated western standards of beauty and most were posed and photographed by men, and/or to allure men for entertainment purposes.

The word "generalization" should be stamped across the screen shot when you click on the video.
 
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I didn't watch the whole thing. I think I watched maybe 6 minutes.

But one could start very first with the imagery used. Every woman was a stereotype. Most were white, most were blonde, most were in there 20-30's, accentuated western standards of beauty and most were posed and photographed by men, and/or to allure men for entertainment purposes.

The word "generalization" should be stamped across the screen shot when you click on the video.

All those things are actually addressed in the first two minutes of the video.

First, the video is particularly about western women.
He also say's that of course not all women are the same but for the purpose of this video he speaks about "western women and their general" so that wasn't actually stamped across the screen but he did mention it.

Could he have used different imagery?
Sure!
Does that in any way change the content of the message of the video?
Not at all

I have no idea where you got the idea that those photos were taken by men for entertaining purposes of men. Seems more likely you think this video is ridiculous because of personal reasons then anything else?
 
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Today I learned:
Today, 25 March, was celebrated as the traditional date of the Scottish New Year until 1599. In that year, Scotland converted to the modern Gregorian Calendar. England did not adopt the new calendar until the Calendar Act of 1751 was passed, a full 152 years after Scotland.

So... emmm... Happy old New Year (if yerr Scottish)
 
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Today I learned:
Today, 25 March, was celebrated as the traditional date of the Scottish New Year until 1599. In that year, Scotland converted to the modern Gregorian Calendar. England did not adopt the new calendar until the Calendar Act of 1751 was passed, a full 152 years after Scotland.

So... emmm... Happy old New Year (if yerr Scottish)
TIL there was a serious push to make 13 month calendar in 1902, referred to as International Fixed Calendar. It provides for a year of 13 months of 28 days each. In fact, Kodak used it from 1928 to 1989:



Every day of the month will fall on the same date, for instance. The first Sunday will always be the first of the month and the last Saturday will always be the 28th, making it nice and easy to stay organized. If you wonder to yourself, shit what day did the 19th fall on 6 months ago? You would know it was a Saturday because it will always be a fucking Saturday! No more confusion over "is there a 31st this month?" No! There aren't any 31st's anymore. There would be a 29 though at the end of the year, that could be new years day, a non-day so to speak.
 
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I learned that Eldridge Cleaver was a mormon for a minute.
He went off his rocker later in life post-black Panthers. In exile, he lived in France for a while and got into fashion.
Well, at one point he designed pants specifically for the strong liberated black man and this is what he made:




Cleaver was such a wild character man, they could make a movie of his life and it would seem too whacky to be true. I mean this dude successfully broke Timothy Leary out of prison and escaped to Algeria with him! Then while there he placed Leary under "revolutionary arrest" lol (). This was after of course Cleaver himself ambushed Oakland police, shooting them, trying to bust out Huey P Newton, then after being arrested jumped bail and fled to Cuba where he got the red carpet treatment from Fidel Castro himself. The balls of this man to go back to the US while being one of the most wanted fugitives to break out Timothy Leary and take him to Algeria lol it's just insane. But like I said he was off his rocker, got into coke and specifically crack for a while, during which he became a conservative republican. Really bizarre stuff later in life. Of course before he joined the black panthers, he wasn't exactly normal either. Raping white woman was a form of liberation and retaliation to him, he was always a bit crazy. But the early years of the black panthers, he really excelled and was a good leader for a while.
 
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HA! I'd like to see a comedian find those pants and wear 'em out to see the reactions.

I'm led to believe that Cleaver was probably an informant at times, probably gave up some valuable info. on different revolutionaries. I just got done reading "Assata" and not many of the other notable BP members got away with half the shit Cleaver did, granted things were different and some people are just lucky in different situations, but still you have to wonder when most everyone else is assassinated or locked up under the prison...
 
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HA! I'd like to see a comedian find those pants and wear 'em out to see the reactions.

I'm led to believe that Cleaver was probably an informant at times, probably gave up some valuable info. on different revolutionaries. I just got done reading "Assata" and not many of the other notable BP members got away with half the shit Cleaver did, granted things were different and some people are just lucky in different situations, but still you have to wonder when most everyone else is assassinated or locked up under the prison...
Yeah I've heard stories of Cleaver as well, he was unstable so probably a good target. COINTELPRO really did a number on the black panthers, not only with the assassinations and frame jobs locking many up in prison, but by infiltrating the party to the point where no one trusted anyone. So some of the rumors of Cleaver being an informant could have been based on paranoia, and how certain members were pitted against other members by false information released inside the party by the FBI. Really fucked them all up and you can see how many of them went crazy towards the end. They were broken down mentally. One of the more shameful secrets of the FBI.

Going back to the first post, about how the people who uncovered COINTELPRO by breaking into an FBI building, one of the guys did an AMA on reddit like a year ago, and talked about how interesting the comparison is now to then, with the NSA and Snowdon etc, compared to COINTELPEO. Basically he summed up its very similar, only back then they were much more blatant about it but more targeted cases (left wing groups, revolutionaries, civil rights, etc) whereas now its a much much larger scale of spying on citizens but less blatant tactics.
 
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Learned that during the Vietnam war, G.I Joes were marketed as an explorer / adventure team rather than a military faction, in response to the how unpopular the war was.