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no disrespect to anyone on this subject because it's something i like to build on, think about and talk about just like anyone else, but i think the idea that hip-hop was ever exclusively an enlightened medium of reporting what's going on from a social standpoint in the hood is an illusion. it's people romanticizing the genre to suit a narrative they'd like to believe. the perfect shining example of this is in a golden age hip-hop context is that eric b and rakim made sure they were paid in full and rocked gucci on a level rick ross wouldn't even fuck with. haha.

it's a duality that black music has always had — even louis armstrong had his box back coat and his stetson cap and a twenty dollar gold piece on his watch chain. the culture has always been about being fly AND about being on top of what's happening in the neighborhood good and bad. i personally don't think there's a problem with this. and there were/are people who are familiar with the other side of the jazz game that think louis was a bitch compared to the bebop dudes.

as far as the bay, and its extended regions (i consider sac, seattle and KC) — the dopest shit coming out of these regions is some gangster rap that will never blow in any appreciable commercial way. if HD or mozzy had what it took to blow on a commercial level their music wouldn't be as good as it is now. it's a chicken and egg thing imo — they made their little buzz and carved out what they have now by making music that is diametrically opposed to commercial viability. so when they try to switch up and make something you can tell they're going for mass appeal, it always sounds a little off brand and that they're outside their lane.
 
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IN MY OPINION.......
GANGSTA RAP AINT DEAD UNTIL ALL THE GANGSTAS THAT RAP DIE.....
AND ALSO......
I BELIEVE RAP WILL BE RELEVANT 4 AT LEAST 50 YEARS IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AND THE CULTURE CAN ONLY DIE IF THE FANS STOP SUPPORTING WHICH IS NOT THE CASE.
I SAY.......
JUST DO WHAT U DO BEST AND PERFECT YOUR CRAFT.....
AND JUST LIKE I TELL EVERY BITCH I ENCOUNTER IN LIFE......
KEEP YOUR EXPECTATIONS LOW SO YOUR FEELINGS DONT GET HURT.
MAKING POSITIVE GROUND IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS TAKES A LOT OF HARD WORK AND DEDICATION AND I STILL DO WHAT I DO BECUZ ITS THE LIFE I CHOSE AND WHAT I BELIEVE IN. ITS NOT MY WHOLE LIFE THO AND I CONSIDER EVERY DOLLAR AND FAN I MAKE AS A BLESSING INSTEAD OF DEMANDING THAT PPL LISTEN OR RESPECT MY "MUSIC".
I DONT EVEN LISTEN 2 MUCH RAP MUSIC ANYMORE BUT I AM THANKFUL I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY 2 TURN MY TALENT INTO A BUSINESS AND HAVE BEEN ABLE 2 REACH PPL AND COUNTRIES IVE NEVER SEEN OR SET FOOT IN.
IF IT WASNT 4 THIS RAP SHIT I'D MOST LIKELY BE SITTIN IN SOMEBODYS CELL SO I NEVER DISRESPECT THE GAME....ITS UP 2 INDIVIDUALS 2 STEP THEIR QUALITY UP A NOTCH AND ACTUALLY MAKE MUSIC THAT CAN CAPTURE AN ENTIRE FAN BASE.
IF NOT, ITS JUST GONNA CONTINUE BEING A MERRY GO ROUND AND THE QUITTERS AND BULLSHITTERS WILL CONTINUE 2 SPEAK NEGATIVELY ON OUR CULTURE AND ENDEAVORS.
IVE ACCOMPLISHED ALOT THAT I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BUT IM STILL HUMBLE ENOUGH 2 ADMIT IM STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS AND STILL OUT HERE MAKING THINGS HAPPEN 4 ME AND MINE.
#WCM ALL DAY
 
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(Allow me to paraphrase again)


Do you honestly believe this?
This site tells me otherwise.
Worldstar video views are rigged brah, I thought that was common knowledge?


This is just part of the evolution of rap. [We] used music as the vehicle to talk to each other about what's going on in our part of the world and now the Internet has allowed everybody into the party.
The "evolution" of funk was Disco, remember that. LOL

We allowed everyone into the party and now look.

No Black Artist Topped The Billboard Hot 100 Charts In 2013 - Mass Appeal

Aint nuthin fcuked off. The Bay Independents have always made money and will continue to make money they're just going to have to diversify their approach so it matches the current trends.
In the 90's and even up to the early 00's top tier indy acts had no problem pushing a minimum of 100,000 units. These same artist struggle to hit 5-10,000 units. Hell Mainstream artist struggle to push 50,000 first week these days. The culture is dead and that grassroots fan base went along with it. That's why singles go platinum while cats albums wont even go gold, because all that's left are "gateway" fans who buy music based on it's pop appeal.

Again, all those cats that sold out the culture are to blame for it losing it's grassroots appeal.

And let me add that contrary to popular belief, hip hop is no longer regionally driven, its a per artist situation. In order to move forward we're gon have to let that go. Look around. Take for example Macklemore's success. Its not a reflection of a Washington hip hop scene that's 'killing the game', its just Macklemore and that's it. Those days are gone now [which has been hard for some to swallow] because Hip Hop has been consolidated into basically one or two styles and it doesn't matter the region...
You're basically saying rappers should "suck it up" and do what sells. Again, that's why the culture is dead and rap is fading out.

Macklemore's success can be attributed to many things, including the fact that he clearly panders to "outsider" white hipster liberals with songs like "Same Love" and the fact that he makes pop music to a Tee. He doesn.t have a "Washington" sound because aside from the fact that he clearly wasn't going for that, the regional sound is dead (as you stated).

Regional sounds died because the labels and the sellout artist discovered it was cheaper to do keyboard, synth heavy, 808 beats than it is to pay for samples and use live instrumentation.

Again, look at funk fusing into disco and how disco faded out. It's the same shit.
 
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Regional sounds died because the labels and the sellout artist discovered it was cheaper to do keyboard, synth heavy, 808 beats than it is to pay for samples and use live instrumentation.

Again, look at funk fusing into disco and how disco faded out. It's the same shit.
True, and I don't think the fact can be overstated that one of the main ways that regional Artists and Labels sold out was by refusing to pay their REAL Producers, Musicians, Graphic Artists, and Photographers for their work, and instead used FREE substandard labor from amateurs (who claim to only be trying to "Make a Name For Themselves", but in truth are STILL giving out free work, just so they can every once in awhile rub shoulders with their idols).

Greed is what you call it when the Artists who rarely need more than a pen and a pad to create their art, feel the need to short those tradespeople who assist them in creating a flourishing career, and actually have to shell out real dough to purchase the tools of their trade. To those of you artists who sold out... I guess you got what you payed for... NOTHING.
 

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Worldstar video views are rigged brah, I thought that was common knowledge?
So are youtube views. The truth is fake plays mean nothing at this point. The decision makers in the business are already up on it.

And lets be real, the real reason views are down is that cats would rather watch [and share] a video of sharkesha knocking a b***h out then watch [and share] a video of some [sound-alike] unknown indie rapper. #truth

You're basically saying rappers should "suck it up" and do what sells. Again, that's why the culture is dead and rap is fading out.
Not at all..

What I am saying is that the culture is still alive and for it to be lucrative the new artists of today need to redesign their approach and put together a quality product that is competitive on a commercial level and in turn make the game happen for themselves by building their own [independent] industry. Because the truth is that Rap has faded out of the mainstream because its no longer profitable for these major labels to back it financially. So don't look to these labels to get on. Put yourself on.

$.02
 
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no disrespect to anyone on this subject because it's something i like to build on, think about and talk about just like anyone else, but i think the idea that hip-hop was ever exclusively an enlightened medium of reporting what's going on from a social standpoint in the hood is an illusion. it's people romanticizing the genre to suit a narrative they'd like to believe. the perfect shining example of this is in a golden age hip-hop context is that eric b and rakim made sure they were paid in full and rocked gucci on a level rick ross wouldn't even fuck with. haha.
Exclusively? No. but it was there for a good minute. Hip hop music has origins in 5 percenter ideology, so it was far from an illusion, brah. That element got pushed out, by sellout artist.

"Romanticizing the genre to suit a narrative" When did you start listening to rap? Chuck D at one point referred to the genre as the "Black CNN". If you can prove you hold more weight than him, I'll gladly hear you out. LOL Again, that aspect slowly faded out when the cartoon characters came in and made a mockery of the culture while at the same time pushing the Chuck D's and KRS's out.

Also, what's Eric B and Rakim wearing Gucci and naming an album "Paid In Full" got to do with anything? Have you heard the album "Paid In Full"? Ra isnt on some "I'm not a rapper, I'ma Hustler" steez like Ross and Jay are, he's on some MC shit on there, the emphasis on MCing is at the forefront, that's the difference.

As far as them rockin Gucci, rappers (like Rakim) got that from being affiliated with real street cats like The Supreme Team. Hell, most rappers back then were imitating the NY hustler look because that's what was fresh back then. Rick Ross? Dude is a clown and is in noway comparable (and I listen to some of his shit).

IN MY OPINION.......
GANGSTA RAP AINT DEAD UNTIL ALL THE GANGSTAS THAT RAP DIE.....
AND ALSO......
So I just seen this...

When I say "gangsta rap is dead" I mean on a commercial, mainstream level and as a marketing tool that it used to be 5-10 years ago. Those days are pretty much gone.
 
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i started listening to rap in 1991, for what its worth. started with cube and branched out from there.

i personally think a lot of the things you take issue with are the ways hip-hop has naturally progressed as an abstraction of itself. i don't listen to rick ross at all. never heard a tape, never heard an album. but i try to keep in mind that the mechanism by which him and other contemporary MCs go about their music isn't so much a means of putting MCing in the background as much as them pushing a newer stylistic package to the forefront. if you're looking for something specific stylistically from the genre, it stands to reason that the music you don't find it in will sound hollow to you when you evaluate it subjectively as an individual. objectively, i just think that's a product of it getting lost in translation. and that's coming from someone who personally doesn't listen to ross.

i would draw a parallel from acts like gucci mane, lil b or whatever to odb in 94 or flav in the early 90s when people took him at face value. i don't think acts like these pushed krs or chuck d out as much as a paradigmatic shift left them without an audience.

i guess i just don't think the brain drain of the genre is as bad as people say it is when the most commercially viable artists in rap today (aside from the elite) are the kendricks and j. coles of the world (more artists i don't really check for, but recognize the value of).

i'm curious who you perceive as the sellout artists that shut out chuck d and KRS. just cause i value your perspective, it seems like you think about this shit a lot.
 
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Lol...man to be honest if ppl didn't worry so much about a actual deal and jus moved off they own muscle ...respect one another... push unity out here a lil more...and stay consistent you can still get yo money...somebody else gettin on shouldn't have shit to do with someone else unless they gettin a move off it...that's all everybody on here does is criticize every bay rapper for not havin somethin when really its a gang of talent out here...and its rappers on tours right now wit big names etc...they jus dont feel the need to speak on it or explain it all the time...and its a lotta niggas out here rappin that get big bread without any major or minor deals...the reason why the buzz always dies out so quick is cause we swimmin in a pool full of oppurtunists and not ppl that actually wanna see u triumph...they jus want a buck or a move..as u can see anyone who's gained notoriety out here is fuckin wit the SAME core of people...so what u expect
 
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