The Official Oakland Raiders 2011 Season Thread
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Palmer to use bye week to learn from mistakes in debut, familiarize himself with offe
ALAMEDA, Calif. — As bad as Carson Palmer’s three-interception debut with the Oakland Raiders looked, he views it as a valuable teaching tool.
Palmer took the field Tuesday for his first practice since that debacle to start what promises to be a learning-intensive bye week.
(Paul Sakuma/Associated Press) - Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer walks to the sideline in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game against the Kansas City Chiefs in Oakland, Calif., Sunday, Oct. 23, 2011.
Palmer had just three practices with the Raiders before making his debut in Sunday’s 28-0 loss to Kansas City. So the task this week will be to learn the offense, build a rapport on and off the field with his receivers and get back into football shape after more than nine months away from the game.
“This bye week may be the most valuable to me of anybody in the league, other than a guy who is really hurt or nursing a serious injury,” Palmer said.
That’s because Palmer arrived in Oakland just a week ago after spending training camp and the first six weeks of the season in retirement at home in Southern California. That ended when Jason Campbell broke his collarbone and the Raiders traded a 2012 first-round pick and a conditional second-rounder in 2013 to Cincinnati for Palmer.
Palmer got about 20 percent of the first-team snaps during the week before being sent in to replace Kyle Boller in the third quarter against the Chiefs with the Raiders trailing 21-0. Palmer completed his first pass in more than nine months but there wasn’t much positive.
He finished 8 of 21 for 116 yards and threw three interceptions, including one that Brandon Flowers returned for a touchdown. Palmer finished with his third-worst completion percentage, tied for his second-most interceptions and his 17.3 passer rating was the second lowest of his career.
“It was kind of like a preseason game just to get my feet wet, call a play in the huddle, throw a ball in live action and make errors and make mistakes,” he said. “It’s much easier to learn from a mistake or an error than it is to learn from doing it right. ... It’s always a negative thing to lose and lose the way we did. But I think there’s a lot more good than people outside this building would recognize that we’ll learn from and improve on and move on from.”
The to-do list for Palmer is extensive, starting with learning protections and terminology, calling plays in the huddle, working on snap counts, reading defenses, changing plays and getting a feel for the skill position players.
When all of that is done, Palmer can start preparing for the next game against Denver on Nov. 6, which the Raiders hope will be a much more successful day than his debut was.
“I put him in a very tough situation, but it was a situation he was willing to go in and compete in,” coach Hue Jackson said. “I understood what the situation was. I knew that those things could happen. I knew it could go really well. I knew it could go really bad, and obviously it went the latter. We don’t want that to happen again. That’s why we’re out here practicing like we’re practicing. We’re going to get ourselves ready to play big-time football the way we know how to play.”
The Raiders will practice once again on Wednesday before taking four days off as mandated by the collective bargaining agreement. While coaches can’t be involved, it does not mean a vacation for the players.
Palmer and the skill position players are planning to stay in town all weekend. Palmer is planning throwing drills with his receivers, as well as film study to make up for all that lost time.
Palmer said he appreciates the commitment from his teammates, who are giving up a few off days for this process.
“These guys are hungry and know that there’s a big difference between good and great and these guys want to be great,” Palmer said. “They know it’s not easy and takes a lot of hard work and it just shows a tremendous amount of respect for the game and hunger to get better and hunger to be good.”
Notes: The Raiders waived K Dave Rayner, who had one kickoff in his only game in place of injured Sebastian Janikowski. ... Jackson said tests on RB Darren McFadden’s sprained right foot showed no structural damage. ... FB Marcel Reece was back for the first time since spraining an ankle against the Jets on Sept. 25. ... Jackson said backup OL Bruce Campbell is moving from guard to tackle.
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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ALAMEDA, Calif. — As bad as Carson Palmer’s three-interception debut with the Oakland Raiders looked, he views it as a valuable teaching tool.
Palmer took the field Tuesday for his first practice since that debacle to start what promises to be a learning-intensive bye week.
(Paul Sakuma/Associated Press) - Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer walks to the sideline in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game against the Kansas City Chiefs in Oakland, Calif., Sunday, Oct. 23, 2011.
Palmer had just three practices with the Raiders before making his debut in Sunday’s 28-0 loss to Kansas City. So the task this week will be to learn the offense, build a rapport on and off the field with his receivers and get back into football shape after more than nine months away from the game.
“This bye week may be the most valuable to me of anybody in the league, other than a guy who is really hurt or nursing a serious injury,” Palmer said.
That’s because Palmer arrived in Oakland just a week ago after spending training camp and the first six weeks of the season in retirement at home in Southern California. That ended when Jason Campbell broke his collarbone and the Raiders traded a 2012 first-round pick and a conditional second-rounder in 2013 to Cincinnati for Palmer.
Palmer got about 20 percent of the first-team snaps during the week before being sent in to replace Kyle Boller in the third quarter against the Chiefs with the Raiders trailing 21-0. Palmer completed his first pass in more than nine months but there wasn’t much positive.
He finished 8 of 21 for 116 yards and threw three interceptions, including one that Brandon Flowers returned for a touchdown. Palmer finished with his third-worst completion percentage, tied for his second-most interceptions and his 17.3 passer rating was the second lowest of his career.
“It was kind of like a preseason game just to get my feet wet, call a play in the huddle, throw a ball in live action and make errors and make mistakes,” he said. “It’s much easier to learn from a mistake or an error than it is to learn from doing it right. ... It’s always a negative thing to lose and lose the way we did. But I think there’s a lot more good than people outside this building would recognize that we’ll learn from and improve on and move on from.”
The to-do list for Palmer is extensive, starting with learning protections and terminology, calling plays in the huddle, working on snap counts, reading defenses, changing plays and getting a feel for the skill position players.
When all of that is done, Palmer can start preparing for the next game against Denver on Nov. 6, which the Raiders hope will be a much more successful day than his debut was.
“I put him in a very tough situation, but it was a situation he was willing to go in and compete in,” coach Hue Jackson said. “I understood what the situation was. I knew that those things could happen. I knew it could go really well. I knew it could go really bad, and obviously it went the latter. We don’t want that to happen again. That’s why we’re out here practicing like we’re practicing. We’re going to get ourselves ready to play big-time football the way we know how to play.”
The Raiders will practice once again on Wednesday before taking four days off as mandated by the collective bargaining agreement. While coaches can’t be involved, it does not mean a vacation for the players.
Palmer and the skill position players are planning to stay in town all weekend. Palmer is planning throwing drills with his receivers, as well as film study to make up for all that lost time.
Palmer said he appreciates the commitment from his teammates, who are giving up a few off days for this process.
“These guys are hungry and know that there’s a big difference between good and great and these guys want to be great,” Palmer said. “They know it’s not easy and takes a lot of hard work and it just shows a tremendous amount of respect for the game and hunger to get better and hunger to be good.”
Notes: The Raiders waived K Dave Rayner, who had one kickoff in his only game in place of injured Sebastian Janikowski. ... Jackson said tests on RB Darren McFadden’s sprained right foot showed no structural damage. ... FB Marcel Reece was back for the first time since spraining an ankle against the Jets on Sept. 25. ... Jackson said backup OL Bruce Campbell is moving from guard to tackle.
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Occupy Oakland: Raiders' Carson Palmer trying to fit in
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ALAMEDA, Calif. — The Oakland Raiders' bye week is coming at just the right time.
With new quarterback Carson Palmer still trying to shake off the rust and learn a new offense and new teammates and star running Darren McFadden and other key players nursing injuries, the Raiders can sure use this time to regroup from a 28-0 loss to Kansas City and get back on track with two big division games on the horizon.
The focus this week will be on getting Palmer up to speed with the offense in time to take over the starting role Nov. 6 against Denver. He threw three second-half interceptions in Sunday's loss, just five days after ending his retirement to join the Raiders in a trade from Cincinnati.
"This is something that I definitely think we need," receiver Jacoby Ford said. "We're going to have to work hard and get good with him. Just to get the timing down and be here with him."
While bye weeks are often used to rest the body and refresh the mind, the Raiders have plenty of work planned for the week in order to get Palmer acclimated. They will hold practices on Tuesday and Wednesday before taking an NFL-mandated four days off.
But instead of leaving town for the weekend, the receivers, tight ends and running backs are all planning to stick around to get some informal work in with Palmer.
"We know we need to be here, and we're going to be here," receiver Derek Hagan said. "For us to get on the same page and get this thing clicking again, it's obviously going to take more of an effort from us to put more time in just to make sure we're doing those little things right."
Palmer was sitting at home a week ago as the Raiders were figuring out how to move on after losing starting quarterback Jason Campbell to a broken collarbone. Oakland ended up trading for Palmer, sending a 2012 first-round pick and a conditional second-rounder in 2013 to Cincinnati.
Palmer had his first practice in more than nine months on Wednesday and got about 20 percent of the first-team snaps during the week before replacing an ineffective Kyle Boller in the third quarter against the Chiefs.
Palmer completed his first pass, but mostly struggled. He finished 8-for-21 for 116 yards and threw three interceptions, including one that Brandon Flowers returned for a touchdown.
"That was kind of like a preseason game for him, because obviously he hadn't played in a game in quite a while," coach Hue Jackson said. "I think it was very beneficial and will serve us well as we continue to move forward."
Palmer finished with his third-worst completion percentage, tied for his second-most interceptions and his 17.3 passer rating was the second lowest of his career.
He has quite a bit of work to do to get back to the level of play the Raiders are expecting, but Palmer believes that with the bye he can do it in time for the next game.
"Two weeks is enough time to be where I need to be, and I'm going to get everything I can out of these guys," he said. "I understand that it's a bye week for these young receivers, and it's time to get away a little bit, just let your mind go somewhere else because hopefully there's a long road ahead of us. But it's also time to get some work done, get that timing and rhythm and get going."
McFadden won't be partaking in this week's workouts. The NFL's leading rusher entering the game managed just two carries for 4 yards and one short reception before leaving after the second drive with a sprained right foot. McFadden was on crutches and had a walking boot Monday. Jackson said the plan was to rest McFadden this week anyway.
"We're going to have the foot looked at and make sure structurally that it's OK," Jackson said. "We'll take a great look at it as we go through this week. I'm hoping to get him back soon."
Even though backup Michael Bush gained 99 yards on 17 carries in McFadden's place, the Raiders can ill afford to be without their most dynamic offensive player if they want to compete in the AFC West.
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain, who has been nursing a sprained left ankle the past few weeks, left the game for a stretch and was visibly limping when he returned. He also had on a walking boot Monday.
Tight end Kevin Boss also was knocked out with a concussion and safety Matt Giordano had neck spasms. The Raiders hope the time off will help all of those players heal, as well as cornerbacks Chris Johnson (groin, hamstring) and Chimdi Chekwa (hamstring), fullback Marcel Reece (ankle) and kicker Sebastian Janikowski (left hamstring).
http://www.telegram.com/article/20111026/NEWS/310249758/1009/sports
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ALAMEDA, Calif. — The Oakland Raiders' bye week is coming at just the right time.
With new quarterback Carson Palmer still trying to shake off the rust and learn a new offense and new teammates and star running Darren McFadden and other key players nursing injuries, the Raiders can sure use this time to regroup from a 28-0 loss to Kansas City and get back on track with two big division games on the horizon.
The focus this week will be on getting Palmer up to speed with the offense in time to take over the starting role Nov. 6 against Denver. He threw three second-half interceptions in Sunday's loss, just five days after ending his retirement to join the Raiders in a trade from Cincinnati.
"This is something that I definitely think we need," receiver Jacoby Ford said. "We're going to have to work hard and get good with him. Just to get the timing down and be here with him."
While bye weeks are often used to rest the body and refresh the mind, the Raiders have plenty of work planned for the week in order to get Palmer acclimated. They will hold practices on Tuesday and Wednesday before taking an NFL-mandated four days off.
But instead of leaving town for the weekend, the receivers, tight ends and running backs are all planning to stick around to get some informal work in with Palmer.
"We know we need to be here, and we're going to be here," receiver Derek Hagan said. "For us to get on the same page and get this thing clicking again, it's obviously going to take more of an effort from us to put more time in just to make sure we're doing those little things right."
Palmer was sitting at home a week ago as the Raiders were figuring out how to move on after losing starting quarterback Jason Campbell to a broken collarbone. Oakland ended up trading for Palmer, sending a 2012 first-round pick and a conditional second-rounder in 2013 to Cincinnati.
Palmer had his first practice in more than nine months on Wednesday and got about 20 percent of the first-team snaps during the week before replacing an ineffective Kyle Boller in the third quarter against the Chiefs.
Palmer completed his first pass, but mostly struggled. He finished 8-for-21 for 116 yards and threw three interceptions, including one that Brandon Flowers returned for a touchdown.
"That was kind of like a preseason game for him, because obviously he hadn't played in a game in quite a while," coach Hue Jackson said. "I think it was very beneficial and will serve us well as we continue to move forward."
Palmer finished with his third-worst completion percentage, tied for his second-most interceptions and his 17.3 passer rating was the second lowest of his career.
He has quite a bit of work to do to get back to the level of play the Raiders are expecting, but Palmer believes that with the bye he can do it in time for the next game.
"Two weeks is enough time to be where I need to be, and I'm going to get everything I can out of these guys," he said. "I understand that it's a bye week for these young receivers, and it's time to get away a little bit, just let your mind go somewhere else because hopefully there's a long road ahead of us. But it's also time to get some work done, get that timing and rhythm and get going."
McFadden won't be partaking in this week's workouts. The NFL's leading rusher entering the game managed just two carries for 4 yards and one short reception before leaving after the second drive with a sprained right foot. McFadden was on crutches and had a walking boot Monday. Jackson said the plan was to rest McFadden this week anyway.
"We're going to have the foot looked at and make sure structurally that it's OK," Jackson said. "We'll take a great look at it as we go through this week. I'm hoping to get him back soon."
Even though backup Michael Bush gained 99 yards on 17 carries in McFadden's place, the Raiders can ill afford to be without their most dynamic offensive player if they want to compete in the AFC West.
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain, who has been nursing a sprained left ankle the past few weeks, left the game for a stretch and was visibly limping when he returned. He also had on a walking boot Monday.
Tight end Kevin Boss also was knocked out with a concussion and safety Matt Giordano had neck spasms. The Raiders hope the time off will help all of those players heal, as well as cornerbacks Chris Johnson (groin, hamstring) and Chimdi Chekwa (hamstring), fullback Marcel Reece (ankle) and kicker Sebastian Janikowski (left hamstring).
http://www.telegram.com/article/20111026/NEWS/310249758/1009/sports
Carson Palmer Touts Darrius Heyward-Bey, Doubts Terrell Ownes
Carson Palmer needs as much time as possible to learn his new teammates. That’s precisely why Palmer and a select group of Raider receivers are using the bye to get in some extra work. Though Palmer is still feeling out his new targets he already has a good feel for Darrius Heyward-Bey.
In Palmer’s unceremonious debut in which he split a six-pack of picks with Kyle Boller, Carson and DHB seemed to catch on fast. The two had an almost instant chemistry.
While Palmer gets some praise for his ability to find Oakland’s emerging receiver it is Heyward-Bey that gets the major props.
Simply put, DHB is turning the corner in his third year and is slowly becoming the player Al Davis envisioned when he took the Maryland Terp 7th overall. For whatever it is worth, Palmer is already singing the praises of Hey-Bey after only a few practices. Vittorio Tafur quotes Carson as he proclaims DHB to be on his way.
“He works really hard. He’s obviously fast. He can be a complete receiver. He just needs to continue to work and his confidence needs to continue to grow. The only way your confidence grows is by doing things on game day and making plays and he’ll do that for us.”
With DHB quickly dispelling the doubters by his performance it is another notorious receiver that is also casting plenty of doubt thanks to an unceremonious performance of his own.
The name of Terrell Owens is forever linked to Oakland whenever rumors of his next career stop come bubbling up. On that matter Palmer also had something to say in the wake of TO’s recent workout.
Palmer played with the controversial pass catcher one year ago so he knows a thing or two about where Owens is in this phase of his career. Safe to say you won’t see Owens in Silver and Black if Hue Jackson heeds Palmer’s advice. PFT cites a radio interview with Palmer in which he all but assures the world there will be no reunion with the Team Obliterator.
“T.O. and I had a great working relationship, he had one of his most successful years over the past five or six years, a lot of production and he was a great teammate in Cincinnati. The problem is that for him to get here there’s not anybody that we could let go, we have a stable of young horses that can run and guys that can just move, very young, very inexperienced but tons of potential and it’s tough to give up a young guy with a lot of potential for a guy that’s got a lot of history in the league that’s in his late 30s, so I can’t see him coming here but I had a good time playing with him and he’s an explosive player himself.”
Not much of a surprise there. Every year we go through this played song and dance of TO to Oakland. Without fail these rumors are always proved as faulty as excuses from JaMarcus Russell. Palmer’s general indifference to Owens combined with his praise for Oakland’s young talent says it all.
DHB’s performance says even more.
If things keep going the way they are then the Raiders could have a budding version of the next TO in DHB. Of course the big difference is that Heyward-Bey’s game speaks loud enough. No need for him to run his mouth and ruin locker rooms to make a point. Heyward-Bey could be Owens just without a single diva bone is his body.
Time will tell if DHB becomes an elite level receiver. That is something to keep an eye on. Right now we don’t really need much more than Palmer’s words to guarantee Owens will once again be ignored by the Silver and Black. That is something to just turn the page on and forget about…forever.
http://justblogbaby.com/2011/10/26/carson-palmer-touts-darrius-heyward-bey-doubts-terrell-ownes/
Carson Palmer needs as much time as possible to learn his new teammates. That’s precisely why Palmer and a select group of Raider receivers are using the bye to get in some extra work. Though Palmer is still feeling out his new targets he already has a good feel for Darrius Heyward-Bey.
In Palmer’s unceremonious debut in which he split a six-pack of picks with Kyle Boller, Carson and DHB seemed to catch on fast. The two had an almost instant chemistry.
While Palmer gets some praise for his ability to find Oakland’s emerging receiver it is Heyward-Bey that gets the major props.
Simply put, DHB is turning the corner in his third year and is slowly becoming the player Al Davis envisioned when he took the Maryland Terp 7th overall. For whatever it is worth, Palmer is already singing the praises of Hey-Bey after only a few practices. Vittorio Tafur quotes Carson as he proclaims DHB to be on his way.
“He works really hard. He’s obviously fast. He can be a complete receiver. He just needs to continue to work and his confidence needs to continue to grow. The only way your confidence grows is by doing things on game day and making plays and he’ll do that for us.”
With DHB quickly dispelling the doubters by his performance it is another notorious receiver that is also casting plenty of doubt thanks to an unceremonious performance of his own.
The name of Terrell Owens is forever linked to Oakland whenever rumors of his next career stop come bubbling up. On that matter Palmer also had something to say in the wake of TO’s recent workout.
Palmer played with the controversial pass catcher one year ago so he knows a thing or two about where Owens is in this phase of his career. Safe to say you won’t see Owens in Silver and Black if Hue Jackson heeds Palmer’s advice. PFT cites a radio interview with Palmer in which he all but assures the world there will be no reunion with the Team Obliterator.
“T.O. and I had a great working relationship, he had one of his most successful years over the past five or six years, a lot of production and he was a great teammate in Cincinnati. The problem is that for him to get here there’s not anybody that we could let go, we have a stable of young horses that can run and guys that can just move, very young, very inexperienced but tons of potential and it’s tough to give up a young guy with a lot of potential for a guy that’s got a lot of history in the league that’s in his late 30s, so I can’t see him coming here but I had a good time playing with him and he’s an explosive player himself.”
Not much of a surprise there. Every year we go through this played song and dance of TO to Oakland. Without fail these rumors are always proved as faulty as excuses from JaMarcus Russell. Palmer’s general indifference to Owens combined with his praise for Oakland’s young talent says it all.
DHB’s performance says even more.
If things keep going the way they are then the Raiders could have a budding version of the next TO in DHB. Of course the big difference is that Heyward-Bey’s game speaks loud enough. No need for him to run his mouth and ruin locker rooms to make a point. Heyward-Bey could be Owens just without a single diva bone is his body.
Time will tell if DHB becomes an elite level receiver. That is something to keep an eye on. Right now we don’t really need much more than Palmer’s words to guarantee Owens will once again be ignored by the Silver and Black. That is something to just turn the page on and forget about…forever.
http://justblogbaby.com/2011/10/26/carson-palmer-touts-darrius-heyward-bey-doubts-terrell-ownes/
39. Carson Palmer
How can anyone say Palmer was "rusty" last week? Did you see those ducks he was throwing? My dad's urine has more zip. Can you really trust someone who quit on the Bengals last year, to the point that his old coach called him out last week? And shouldn't it matter that he hasn't been good in three or four years? I continue to think that was the worst football trade since the Herschel Walker deal (and more indefensible). Carson Palmer is rusty, all right — he's Rusty Hilger. That reminds me, it's time for my annual choices for Halloween costumes! Let's zoom through these quickly.
Costume No. 1: Carson Palmer
Just wear a Raiders jersey that you overpaid for, then spill beers into people all night while repeatedly telling everyone you're sorry.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings
How can anyone say Palmer was "rusty" last week? Did you see those ducks he was throwing? My dad's urine has more zip. Can you really trust someone who quit on the Bengals last year, to the point that his old coach called him out last week? And shouldn't it matter that he hasn't been good in three or four years? I continue to think that was the worst football trade since the Herschel Walker deal (and more indefensible). Carson Palmer is rusty, all right — he's Rusty Hilger. That reminds me, it's time for my annual choices for Halloween costumes! Let's zoom through these quickly.
Costume No. 1: Carson Palmer
Just wear a Raiders jersey that you overpaid for, then spill beers into people all night while repeatedly telling everyone you're sorry.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings
Oh, it's comedy hour....
Costume #2: Well actually it isn't a costume at all. On Halloween night, if you have time, venture to San Francisco, specifically the Castro District. The homosexuals and transgenders that reside there are in just beng themselves. But to the rest of the world, they are in costume as Niner fans....
Costume #3: Ironcunt just has to be himself for Halloween, a transexual with a pussy already. This costume wearer does not qualify as your typical preop transgender. He is a male look alike was born with female gentilia. The first of his, um her kind....
Costume #2: Well actually it isn't a costume at all. On Halloween night, if you have time, venture to San Francisco, specifically the Castro District. The homosexuals and transgenders that reside there are in just beng themselves. But to the rest of the world, they are in costume as Niner fans....
Costume #3: Ironcunt just has to be himself for Halloween, a transexual with a pussy already. This costume wearer does not qualify as your typical preop transgender. He is a male look alike was born with female gentilia. The first of his, um her kind....
Atleast I know I am not the only one half asleep before noon when I "worth" a response on here....
I didn't see the link on the bottom. Regardless, taking the time to post negative/positive things about a team you don't support still doesn't make any sense to me, but whatever. You did it to get a rise just like I make comments to get one. You should know, with you guys its in good fun. I would fuck ironcunt up if the opportunity ever presented itself though....
I didn't see the link on the bottom. Regardless, taking the time to post negative/positive things about a team you don't support still doesn't make any sense to me, but whatever. You did it to get a rise just like I make comments to get one. You should know, with you guys its in good fun. I would fuck ironcunt up if the opportunity ever presented itself though....