The Immigration Laws
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First thought..........Sudden. This came out of nowhere. I still don't know WTF happened.
Most of the laws themselves sound like crap. The Quasi-Amnesty thing sounds cool though. You have to put in lots of hard work that would take almost a decade.
The Felony shit has got to go. Word is, the Democrats are the ones who blocked lessening the crime from a Felony to a Misdermeanor, because they knew they were going to try and trash the whole bill anyways. This was just their way of making sure Illegal immigrants and their families became FURIOUS at Republicans. -- I need to go look this up and confirm, of course.
Guest Worker program needs to be vastly expanded, as do student visas, residency tuition for immigrants, and the like. Everything but the Vote and Social services are fair game, although I'm flexible on the latter.
The one thing I DON'T understand is the lack of Socialists/Marxists standing up and demanding that these people either be paid minimum/"working" wages, or that they'd be "better off" somewhere else anyways. Just goes to show that even Marxists understand how truly great the United States is.
Most of the laws themselves sound like crap. The Quasi-Amnesty thing sounds cool though. You have to put in lots of hard work that would take almost a decade.
The Felony shit has got to go. Word is, the Democrats are the ones who blocked lessening the crime from a Felony to a Misdermeanor, because they knew they were going to try and trash the whole bill anyways. This was just their way of making sure Illegal immigrants and their families became FURIOUS at Republicans. -- I need to go look this up and confirm, of course.
Guest Worker program needs to be vastly expanded, as do student visas, residency tuition for immigrants, and the like. Everything but the Vote and Social services are fair game, although I'm flexible on the latter.
The one thing I DON'T understand is the lack of Socialists/Marxists standing up and demanding that these people either be paid minimum/"working" wages, or that they'd be "better off" somewhere else anyways. Just goes to show that even Marxists understand how truly great the United States is.
A Few Things to Ponder: Who Will Pick Our Lettuce if We Send the Immigrants Back?
by Davey D
Today while watching Fox News 11 here in LA, I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this question being asked to Congressman Dana Robracher, one of the chief architects behind this anti-immigration movement. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, but when folks in power are so blatant about their oppressive motives, it's frightening. It usually means that they are so far along with implementing their plans of action that it no longer matters whether they keep it under wraps or put it out in the open.They have everything in place.
In this case the racist Congressman was asked how the economy would survive if illegals were to suddenly disappear. He was asked who would do all those jobs like work the fields Who will do the hard jobs that many illegals are working now in the military? If the illegals are gone how will we maintain our economic cushion?
Without batting an eye. Without stuttering and without missing a beat, the Congressman said "Don't worry about that we have lots of prisoners who we will make do all that work".
May this be a lesson for us all. This is particularly true for some of the ignorant folks I saw and heard about running around LA telling our Latino brothers and sisters 'Wetbacks to go home' or those who thought this was going to be a good thing because suddenly you would have the job market to yourself. Well think again.
Right now we have 11 million illegal immigrants in this country. According to the Congressman whe believes we have closer to 15 million. Currently we have a little more then 2 million people in jail. If his plans are to have the prison population be FORCED to do this cheap labor to help keep our economy afloat then a whole lot of us better start worrying.
First, many of us have loved ones or know folks in jail, so there is no telling what sort of dangerous jobs they will be forced to do under unsafe conditions. Second, considering the numbers it appears they will need a lot more prisoners to the tune of a few million to toil those fields and do other unsafe under-wage jobs. Third, there are currently no plans to reduce our engagement in wars and overall military spending to get our economy back in shape.
Last but not least we will have some powerful businessmen and overanxious stockholders moving in a direction where we criminalizing large numbers of people is not only 'good' business but absolutely necessary for the economic well being of our country. In other words it won't be long before we have people walking around looking at young Black and Brown folks and asking themselves 'Why aren't those young men and women in Jail"?
All you have to do is look at footage of all the young high school and junior high school kids getting beat down by the police yesterday in LA during their walk out to understand what is getting ready to come down the pipe. For those who are outside of NY you may not have seen or heard, but yesterday LAPD and the LA Sheriffs used the massive walkout which numbered 40 thousand to get lots of practice cracking heads open. The excuse used was the kids were getting out of hand. What wasn't told was how agitators would rush out and grab these kids Mexican flags or signs and shout 'Go Back Home Beaner'. All this was in full view of the police who did nothing. One has to wonder if these agitators both Black and white are undercover police. I would also add that one should try and make the connection to what is taking place with these high school students in LA and their massive walk outs and what is taking place over in France with the current labor dispute involving young people under 21 who are doing massive walkouts. Today as I write this students are again walking out in masse. Compton is one of the hotspots.
One of the things that is being spoken about in NOT so friendly terms is the role Spanish language radio is playing in these walk outs. You are now starting to hear commentary about how irresponsible some of the Spanish language jocks are in terms of talking about the walkouts. Isn't this what radio is supposed to do? On a side note the ratings came out and the urban stations that target the Latino communities including Emmis Owned Power 106 have dropped from the top 3 to number 11 or 12 in the ratings. It's great to see the power of media and how things can really pop off when used effectively. Lucky for us we don't have somebody like Miss Jones from Hot 97 on the airwaves out here calling people coconuts and other racially charged names while these demonstrations are going on.
The other thing that is being cited as a key organizing tool is Myspace.com which is incidentally owned by ultraconservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch. Myspace has come under a lot of fire and criticism as of late. I think its just a matter of time before substantial changes are made in what can be posted or not posted on that network. keep your eyes on this.
In closing I have to say, Sista Souljah was years ahead of her time when she recorded that song 12 years ago 'Slavery Is Back in Effect'.
by Davey D
Today while watching Fox News 11 here in LA, I couldn't believe my ears when I heard this question being asked to Congressman Dana Robracher, one of the chief architects behind this anti-immigration movement. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, but when folks in power are so blatant about their oppressive motives, it's frightening. It usually means that they are so far along with implementing their plans of action that it no longer matters whether they keep it under wraps or put it out in the open.They have everything in place.
In this case the racist Congressman was asked how the economy would survive if illegals were to suddenly disappear. He was asked who would do all those jobs like work the fields Who will do the hard jobs that many illegals are working now in the military? If the illegals are gone how will we maintain our economic cushion?
Without batting an eye. Without stuttering and without missing a beat, the Congressman said "Don't worry about that we have lots of prisoners who we will make do all that work".
May this be a lesson for us all. This is particularly true for some of the ignorant folks I saw and heard about running around LA telling our Latino brothers and sisters 'Wetbacks to go home' or those who thought this was going to be a good thing because suddenly you would have the job market to yourself. Well think again.
Right now we have 11 million illegal immigrants in this country. According to the Congressman whe believes we have closer to 15 million. Currently we have a little more then 2 million people in jail. If his plans are to have the prison population be FORCED to do this cheap labor to help keep our economy afloat then a whole lot of us better start worrying.
First, many of us have loved ones or know folks in jail, so there is no telling what sort of dangerous jobs they will be forced to do under unsafe conditions. Second, considering the numbers it appears they will need a lot more prisoners to the tune of a few million to toil those fields and do other unsafe under-wage jobs. Third, there are currently no plans to reduce our engagement in wars and overall military spending to get our economy back in shape.
Last but not least we will have some powerful businessmen and overanxious stockholders moving in a direction where we criminalizing large numbers of people is not only 'good' business but absolutely necessary for the economic well being of our country. In other words it won't be long before we have people walking around looking at young Black and Brown folks and asking themselves 'Why aren't those young men and women in Jail"?
All you have to do is look at footage of all the young high school and junior high school kids getting beat down by the police yesterday in LA during their walk out to understand what is getting ready to come down the pipe. For those who are outside of NY you may not have seen or heard, but yesterday LAPD and the LA Sheriffs used the massive walkout which numbered 40 thousand to get lots of practice cracking heads open. The excuse used was the kids were getting out of hand. What wasn't told was how agitators would rush out and grab these kids Mexican flags or signs and shout 'Go Back Home Beaner'. All this was in full view of the police who did nothing. One has to wonder if these agitators both Black and white are undercover police. I would also add that one should try and make the connection to what is taking place with these high school students in LA and their massive walk outs and what is taking place over in France with the current labor dispute involving young people under 21 who are doing massive walkouts. Today as I write this students are again walking out in masse. Compton is one of the hotspots.
One of the things that is being spoken about in NOT so friendly terms is the role Spanish language radio is playing in these walk outs. You are now starting to hear commentary about how irresponsible some of the Spanish language jocks are in terms of talking about the walkouts. Isn't this what radio is supposed to do? On a side note the ratings came out and the urban stations that target the Latino communities including Emmis Owned Power 106 have dropped from the top 3 to number 11 or 12 in the ratings. It's great to see the power of media and how things can really pop off when used effectively. Lucky for us we don't have somebody like Miss Jones from Hot 97 on the airwaves out here calling people coconuts and other racially charged names while these demonstrations are going on.
The other thing that is being cited as a key organizing tool is Myspace.com which is incidentally owned by ultraconservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch. Myspace has come under a lot of fire and criticism as of late. I think its just a matter of time before substantial changes are made in what can be posted or not posted on that network. keep your eyes on this.
In closing I have to say, Sista Souljah was years ahead of her time when she recorded that song 12 years ago 'Slavery Is Back in Effect'.
That is the nature of human existence. "Americans" inavaded and took over therefore this land became "America's". How many civilizations are living in a location that was not originally theirs, but came to be through war and takeoever. Do you suggest everyone move back to their respective lands throughout the world? I don't believe we live under a first come first serve basis where the rightful owner to a location is whoever was there first. Attempting to apply something like that would be impossible.
Sorry, I am unaware of your immigration policies, but yesterday I saw a story on the news about Norway's views on 'immigration'. They had a whole heap of people saying that if you want to move to Norway, they won't accept you (regardless of your qualifications) - they simply don't want any more people. Their hate for immigrants is less concerned with unskilled people from Asian countries and the like and more concerned with everyone on Earth as a whole. Damn!
If they are here, Marxists support their rights as workers, as we do support their rights in the country they came from (which is likely being exploited by the US and others and is dirt poor).
Is the standard of living higher in the US than it is in let’s say, Honduras? Of course it is which is why they come. But that by itself does not make the US great, as you implied us Marxists think.
Now I’ve seen a number of illegal immigrants housing conditions - 10 or more people living in a single or two bedroom apartment. That is living on scraps and barely able to make a living. Any Marxist would agree that they deserve at the very least basic workers rights.
True - if that were the case, then America would belong to china before it belonged to America (that sounds weird, but you get my drift). The chinese set up a colony on the western coast of North American in 1422, a long time before Columbus discovered America. Not only that, but they bred with Mayan women, thus continuing their blood line. To this day, their genes can be found in certain populations of 'native' americans.
The US is better than a lot of countries with regards to 'taking over countries' - back in the 16th century, Britain, France and other European nations raided the world in order to find lands to claim under their rule. To this day, Australia is part of the Commonwealth and is ultimately run by the Queen, along with over 70 other nations world wide (including south africa)
The US is better than a lot of countries with regards to 'taking over countries' - back in the 16th century, Britain, France and other European nations raided the world in order to find lands to claim under their rule. To this day, Australia is part of the Commonwealth and is ultimately run by the Queen, along with over 70 other nations world wide (including south africa)
I’m not suggesting anything you fucktard, I posted a quote that I found interesting. If you have questions about those words, contact the man who spoke them.
Not many that I can think of: The US, Canada, Israel, and South Africa off the top of my head.
Granted there have been many colonized nations, but not too many where entire races were wiped out.
Not many that I can think of: The US, Canada, Israel, and South Africa off the top of my head.
Granted there have been many colonized nations, but not too many where entire races were wiped out.
Friend, I don't know what exactly Marxists think. That was all diarrhea and guessing up there. What I do know is that you have been conspicuously silent on this issue.
The point is that no matter how much people complain about the United States, it is still a great place to live--standard of living (as if that alone is worth throwing away your life for), or otherwise.
In conclusion, The Worker Revolution is not happening. Thank you for your time.
The point is that no matter how much people complain about the United States, it is still a great place to live--standard of living (as if that alone is worth throwing away your life for), or otherwise.
In conclusion, The Worker Revolution is not happening. Thank you for your time.
You're kidding right? Go to the REAL Mexico. Go to Tepito or to Nezahualcoyotl. Well to be truthful just go to Mexico City proper. Since they now have the highest kidnapping rate in the world maybe God will be a good guy and make it so you never come back.
Or hang around Tijuana for a bit. I know it's getting to the point where the "white caste" of American society will no longer go there to party due to the rising violence between Drug Cartels and other Drug Cartels or Drug Cartles vs the INS Border Patrol.
Or hang around Tijuana for a bit. I know it's getting to the point where the "white caste" of American society will no longer go there to party due to the rising violence between Drug Cartels and other Drug Cartels or Drug Cartles vs the INS Border Patrol.
LMAO....
That was pretty damn funny.
Cats just don't understand.
Lets have a look at the people who are actually putting their lives on the line to come here. What do they have?
Just about all of them have nothing, only dreams.
I'll give you an example, my dad came over here because some "rich" family was trying to kill him after killing his youngest brother.
My dad feared for his life and the well being of his family (my moms, my bro, and I) and as a "campesino", what else could he have done?
The police? What police? Have any of you cats ever been to Southern Mexico? Have you even seen what it's like?
I kid you not but it's like rewinding back 100 years in America's history.
My dad was a fucking farmer for Christ's sake who depended on his fields and animals for a living. Most of these people crossing the border are campesinos.
And remember, they're risking their lives by doing so.
Knowing that, what makes any of you cats think they didn't try anything else before taking the long and deadly journey?
Forget bullshit man made laws and lets be real here.
Who in the fuck are we to call these people illegal human beings?
The least you fuckers can do is hand them a blanket (but with no small pox you bitches), and let your fears go.
These people are not here to exploit you and your services, they're simply here to earn enough money to buy them another day.
Yes they're willing to work for table scraps but that shouldn't give anyone the excuse to exploit them....
Fear's a mutha isn't it?
Fear can turn a humble person into a monster in the eyes of the fearful.
And a target of the fall guy for the irresponsible....
That was pretty damn funny.
Cats just don't understand.
Lets have a look at the people who are actually putting their lives on the line to come here. What do they have?
Just about all of them have nothing, only dreams.
I'll give you an example, my dad came over here because some "rich" family was trying to kill him after killing his youngest brother.
My dad feared for his life and the well being of his family (my moms, my bro, and I) and as a "campesino", what else could he have done?
The police? What police? Have any of you cats ever been to Southern Mexico? Have you even seen what it's like?
I kid you not but it's like rewinding back 100 years in America's history.
My dad was a fucking farmer for Christ's sake who depended on his fields and animals for a living. Most of these people crossing the border are campesinos.
And remember, they're risking their lives by doing so.
Knowing that, what makes any of you cats think they didn't try anything else before taking the long and deadly journey?
Forget bullshit man made laws and lets be real here.
Who in the fuck are we to call these people illegal human beings?
The least you fuckers can do is hand them a blanket (but with no small pox you bitches), and let your fears go.
These people are not here to exploit you and your services, they're simply here to earn enough money to buy them another day.
Yes they're willing to work for table scraps but that shouldn't give anyone the excuse to exploit them....
Fear's a mutha isn't it?
Fear can turn a humble person into a monster in the eyes of the fearful.
And a target of the fall guy for the irresponsible....
......I repeat. When was the last time you lived in Mexico, sir? Me--4 months ago.
If you have not lived there (only visited for a few days, or only went across the border a few times, etc.), you cannot tell me shit. I have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE LIVING IN MEXICO. You can try and downplay that until you're blue in the face. It doesn't change anything.
Mexico is mostly urban, sport. Believe me, I saw some broken-down ass cities. On the ride from the airport, I saw all kinds of shacks and the like, people crammed into living spaces.
Still.
I walked the streets. I saw the people. I saw the 8-year-old grocery-baggers. I was in the taxis. I rode the busses. I saw the scores of Natives begging outside of the cathedrals. But...again...Mexico is not as bad as people would have you believe it is.
You can sit here and bitch and whine and say I didn't go to the "real Mexico" all you want. I don't really care. You go live in ANY AREA OF MEXICO for 4 months, and then you get back to me and we can debate who lived in a grimier area.
If you have not lived there (only visited for a few days, or only went across the border a few times, etc.), you cannot tell me shit. I have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE LIVING IN MEXICO. You can try and downplay that until you're blue in the face. It doesn't change anything.
Mexico is mostly urban, sport. Believe me, I saw some broken-down ass cities. On the ride from the airport, I saw all kinds of shacks and the like, people crammed into living spaces.
Still.
I walked the streets. I saw the people. I saw the 8-year-old grocery-baggers. I was in the taxis. I rode the busses. I saw the scores of Natives begging outside of the cathedrals. But...again...Mexico is not as bad as people would have you believe it is.
You can sit here and bitch and whine and say I didn't go to the "real Mexico" all you want. I don't really care. You go live in ANY AREA OF MEXICO for 4 months, and then you get back to me and we can debate who lived in a grimier area.