The Dumb Ass Pope

[2-0-NINE]

This must be a difficult pill for Muslims to swallow, for the past few days have been filled with violent cries for revenge; yet again Muslim leaders have failed to deliver any systematically reasoned response to the Pope's actual arguments, instead preferring to let angry mobs answer for them.

No offense, and Muslims Wonder why we think Islam is bad for the world, obviously in stating this they're not following their laws of peace.

Islam indeed has a problem.Let's hope that Christians and the Pope are not forced to pay for this problem with their lives.

I've stated in the Past the Pope does not speak on behalf of all Christians, neither should any man, except the Lord Jesus Christ. It's common around the World Especially in the Middle east and Africa where, NO OFFENSE, many muslim soldiers gun down innocent men of the Bible, or Christians. I am also aware that this happens to muslims as well, but you haven't seen Christians take offense, then take up their swords and capture a Muslim and cut his head off.

 

[[ n a v ]]

I've stated in the Past the Pope does not speak on behalf of all Christians

If the pope does not speak on behalf of Christians then who does? then what is his purpose?

but you haven't seen Christians take offense, then take up their swords and capture a Muslim and cut his head off.

i promise you, i swear on my life, if the highest authority in the muslim community were to say that Christian views are evil and inhuman, christians would be outraged. to muslims it is like saying in front of billions of people that your family is evil and less than human. this behavior from some random preacher somewhere in Germany would probobly not have been an issue, however, this is the pope. he IS the ruling representetive of your community, and as such he should learn to hold his tongue.

 

[2-0-NINE]

If the pope does not speak on behalf of Christians then who does? then what is his purpose?

There are two types of Christians, Catholic, and Protestants, which I am, or people known as the Reformation or those who battled agains the Mother Church. The Catholic Church in the Early days were the Anti-Christ they were using Christianity to take over the World and govern the cities using "Divine Government." Then there were the Protestants who fought their corrupt doctrines and ways of life, and suffered cause of it. The Pope does not speak on behalf of Christian Fundementalists, as he along with the whole Papacy has spoken against people like me. I don't hate catholics, neither do I hate the pope, but I stand against what the Papacy stand for, meaning I stand against the Pope.

You need to understand, that there are only a few Christians out there that realize who the Pope along with the Roman Catholic Church is doing. If you read the Books of Daniel and Revelation, you'll understand. He is on earth to so call, "Be in place for Christ" until he returns. Which is Blasphemous since no one on Earth can hold a rank even Second to God, for no one is near or close to any ranks near God. He speaks on behalf of the Vatican, the Papacy, and the Catholic Church, and Last Time I remembered, he was telling the world that views like mine and Heresy are bad, because it'll offended People. When in Reality, it's really an effort to expose that Harlot of that church, and a false Leader powered By Satan.

i promise you, i swear on my life, if the highest authority in the muslim community were to say that Christian views are evil and inhuman, christians would be outraged.

Yeah, when one of the Taliban or Al Qaeda leaders was on Al Jazeera telling the whole Western World if we didn't convert to Islam there will be hell to pay, EXACTLY THE SAME THING THE POPE ALONG WITH THE EARLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH DID IN THE CRUSADES, TO MANY INNOCENT MUSLIMS, JEWS, AND PROTESTANTS! The Same thing can be said about these Extremists. You haven't even seen any of us Fundementalists, Pick up a sword and Declare a Christian Ji-had. I believe a Spiritual War, has been around since Adam and Eve First sinned. Nav, I wish not to offend you, but how often in the last 6 years, have Christians put up guns and Knives up in the air and say, make this official it's a war of TERRORIST ISLAM! It's a war alright, but not as you see it.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Not only in the Last 6 six, but other than the Papacy and Southern Christian states, declare war on Muslims. Is it not a sin in Islam to be converted into a Christian? In the bible, it's a sin to go from knowing Elohim and Yeshua to worshipping Allah, but is there consequences, Yes, on the Judgement day. In no way does God tell us or give us permission to Kill a Islam Converter, but rather love him and pray for him. I'm not smart enough to know the Qu'ran so I wouldn't mind some insight. Remember my last First Thread on Islam, I'm not trying to make a debate out of stuff I don't know.

 

[[ n a v ]]

Nav, I wish not to offend you, but how often in the last 6 years, have Christians put up guns and Knives up in the air and say, make this official it's a war of TERRORIST ISLAM! It's a war alright, but not as you see it.

^Actions speak louder than words.

I don't agree with what the Pope said, nor do i agree with the response from the muslim community. I simply believe somebody in his position should be much more selective about the words and quotations they choose to use.

 

[2-0-NINE]

The Popes from the Past haven't been as Selective with their words as you would think.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Actions speak louder than words.

One of my favorite Oldies Songs, and also one of my favorite Phrases.

 

[Rob S4]

I dont like Islam or Catholocism. I think both are violent biased religions just liek most religions in the world. Islam is a violent relgion while the Catholic faith forces its followers to strict beliefs. (Hail Mary, Our Father) All of that. Both can just extincit themselves. I think one can have a relationship with God without having to follow all of the bullshit that MAN throws on a person.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I think one can have a relationship with God without having to follow all of the bullshit that MAN throws on a person.

I Super Agree, HAHA!

 

[XCHANGO4]

I don't care for muslims at all i got a few muslim homies but they're str8
fuck the jihaders they can be sand fertilizer for all i give a shit.

but the pope pissed me the fuck off.
fuck the pope fuck the catholics and fuck christianity.
whats ironic is my name jesus and was raised catholic
until you learn history you learn that european ideology and religion was forced on my people(mexicans)
the pope can talk all he wants about spreading religion by the sword but cathlics pioneered that shit in the americas
that fool should not talk bad about others before he takes a look at the catholic church.

 

[2-0-NINE]

I don't care for muslims at all i got a few muslim homies but they're str8
fuck the jihaders they can be sand fertilizer for all i give a shit.

but the pope pissed me the fuck off.
fuck the pope fuck the catholics and fuck christianity.
whats ironic is my name jesus and was raised catholic
until you learn history you learn that european ideology and religion was forced on my people(mexicans)
the pope can talk all he wants about spreading religion by the sword but cathlics pioneered that shit in the americas
that fool should not talk bad about others before he takes a look at the catholic church.

Then if you know History, you should also know my forefathers, the Protestants. THOSE WHO FOUGHT AGAINS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. I too grew up a Devoted and super Catholic. But understand history and reading the bible for myself, exposed the Catholic Church for who they are. Chrisitanity isn't a european Ideology neither is it based on European Religions. I consider my self a Christian meaning I try to take up my Cross and Follow Jesus as best I can, and yes I am a sinner. But I don't consider it a religion because a Religion bows down more to man's decree than God's. Chango, don't say Fuck Christianity, and you're remarks are hella ignorant ese. If you say you know real History, then you should take back the Fuck Christianity, if you can see where we, the Reformation and the Catholic Church split, you'd have a Change of Heart.

 

[XCHANGO4]

Then if you know History, you should also know my forefathers, the Protestants. THOSE WHO FOUGHT AGAINS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. I too grew up a Devoted and super Catholic. But understand history and reading the bible for myself, exposed the Catholic Church for who they are. Chrisitanity isn't a european Ideology neither is it based on European Religions. I consider my self a Christian meaning I try to take up my Cross and Follow Jesus as best I can, and yes I am a sinner. But I don't consider it a religion because a Religion bows down more to man's decree than God's. Chango, don't say Fuck Christianity, and you're remarks are hella ignorant ese. If you say you know real History, then you should take back the Fuck Christianity, if you can see where we, the Reformation and the Catholic Church split, you'd have a Change of Heart.

And the protestants that settled and made the 13 colonies escaping religious persecution in europe didn't spread west make their own country. reducing the people of america to reservations and the people of my land to immigrants. the effects of european ideology affects my people to this day. the fact that a religion that reduced us to slaves and the fact that the so called messengers of god killed so many people it made the haulocost look like childs play. made me very bitter towards the teachings of christ. i realized that it is none of the peoples fault today that is why i am not burning crosses and committing hate crimes or even hate Christians. but i refuse to believe that christ is the answer and i believe is one of the sources that have led my people up to this day

catholic and christians all follow the same man that that inspired a movement that affected my people 500 years ago that we have never recovered.

before i started to learn about my people i considered myself ignorant
now i see the world through diffrent eyes i feel enlightened

sorry if i offended you but my opinion now will not change
as yours will not

i love my people too much!!!!!!

 

[MaddDogg]

Its always someone elses fault...

 

[HERESY]

catholic and christians all follow the same man that that inspired a movement that affected my people 500 years ago that we have never recovered

100% false. Yeshi didn't inspire a movement that had a negative impact on your people. The teachings of Yeshi were misconstrued and he would have no part in what those people did. You need to attack the people who perverted the message and teachings instead of the teacher. While I am sympathetic for your people you need to understand that specific people commited those crimes and you need to attack those people. Whining here and seeking justification for your half-assed beliefs will not earn you a pity party.

 

[[ n a v ]]

I don't care for muslims at all i got a few muslim homies but they're str8
fuck the jihaders they can be sand fertilizer for all i give a shit.

check it patnah, if u cant hold your tongue then bounce this forum. you have no right to speak like that.

i could just as easily say fuck mexicans they can be taco meat for all i care, but i don't.
this is a forum for intellectual discussions not ignorant generalizations.

 

[MEXCOM]

muslim = religiom
mexican = nationality/ethnicity

not quite the same

 

[HERESY]

muslim = religiom
mexican = nationality/ethnicity

not quite the same

I think it was the "Sand fertilizer" comment that sparked Nav, so Nav has a point. It does appear to be a racial attack.

 

[[ n a v ]]

if he were to prove that he was educated about middle easterns (because that is who he is hatefully generalizing against, im sure hes not speaking about indonesians or africans), and was to make a comment against it, i wouldnt be mad. but using the term "jihaders" as well as using the word "sand" in association with the group he was speaking about, he proves to be dangerously ignorant about middle easterns and muslims. and in a place like this, i have no tolerance for such ignorance.

 

[XCHANGO4]

check it patnah, if u cant hold your tongue then bounce this forum. you have no right to speak like that.

i could just as easily say fuck mexicans they can be taco meat for all i care, but i don't.
this is a forum for intellectual discussions not ignorant generalizations.

sorry-did sound racist, i will think before i will speak
im a medic and a couple years of picking up parts
and treating IED victims desensitizes you- doesnt make it an excuse though my bad

 

[[ n a v ]]

i understand. but i've had innocent family members wrongly killed and raped without justification because of a governments decision to send troops into their city, and that is not enough for me to hate their whole race. ya dig?