This country will not have a revolution and it has nothing to do with people being brainwashed. It will not have a revolution because the majority of individuals in this country have found a stake in the current system and see no need to rebel. The romantic revolution is a myth. revolutions kill, destroy, and wipe clean. In doing so a society not only loses what’s bad, but also what is good. A power vaccum is created and a tryant fills its place to create “stability.” Then, the same problems you once had with your civil liberties, taxes, etc still exist, you’re just much poorer, you have lost family members, your house is destroyed, and so on. There are successful revolutions, but the revolution I described happens much more frequently. Just remember when you talk about revolution, you are asking for an unpredictable outcome.
There are plenty of military, police and national guard to put down a revolution. Still waiting on the US to invade Iran, been hearing about it since the Islamic Revolution that started their country and also brought them so much good…
This dude hits on the head right here. Most rebels are without cause. Power is the cause.
America has gun control laws because we are raised in a culture of violence. People here will kill someone over a dollar bill. A 5 year old will shoot a 6 year old for a juice box. The government imposes gun control laws to try and make it more difficult for individuals with shady records to get a hold of a lethal weapon. They have also done so to keep the proliferation of guns off our streets. Most importantly they have done so to try and keep the most dangerous guns which can kill dozens of people at a time off the street. However, gun control is met with mixed reviews because the people who commit homicides and mass murders have found another way to get a weapon, and most gun control laws repress individuals who use guns for home protection, safety, etc. etc. Come to the United States and see how inner cities work and then tell me about how we only have gun control to stop revolutions.
This dude hits on the head right here. Most rebels are without cause. Power is the cause.
America has gun control laws because we are raised in a culture of violence. People here will kill someone over a dollar bill. A 5 year old will shoot a 6 year old for a juice box. The government imposes gun control laws to try and make it more difficult for individuals with shady records to get a hold of a lethal weapon. They have also done so to keep the proliferation of guns off our streets. Most importantly they have done so to try and keep the most dangerous guns which can kill dozens of people at a time off the street. However, gun control is met with mixed reviews because the people who commit homicides and mass murders have found another way to get a weapon, and most gun control laws repress individuals who use guns for home protection, safety, etc. etc. Come to the United States and see how inner cities work and then tell me about how we only have gun control to stop revolutions.
I am too. As Malcolm X said, "find me a revolution in history without bloodshed."
The only means to revolution is a massive uprising of the proletariat, when the majority of the people want and desire change and are willing to fight for that change. If you look at other countries as an example when there is a massive uprising that is so large, the ruling elite have little power and the police/military are simply not effective in oppressing the uprising. When the police/military are ordered to fire upon crowds of people and those soldiers/officers have friends/family in those crowds, what are they going to do?
A perfect example is in France 1969 when exactly that occurred. After brutal police repression of student demonstrations, tens of millions of French workers went on strike and eventually took over entire cities/universities/factories etc. The entire country was paralyzed and in control of the working class citizens. Because the uprising was so massive, the military/police were infected by the revolution and most eventually sided with the people. Once the tools of oppression of the ruling elite are no longer willing to take orders, the ruling elite are powerless.
This is basic "revolution 101"
Even the Russian Revolution in 1917, only 40 people were killed. It was a hugely successful and a non-violent revolution and for the first time in the history, the proletariat overthrew the ruling class. The bloodshed was spilled during the COUNTER Revolution, where 21 or so Capitalist countries sent in troops to try and crush the workers revolution, which ultimately failed. The difference between Russia 1917 and the US today is one was a backwards, 3rd world country while the other is the most powerful nation in the world. If there were ever a revolution in Amerika, there would not be other nations that would send in troops. The ripple effect of Revolution in Amerika would spread across the world within weeks, if not days.
For the time being yes, but you, like most others, fail to realize the power of the working class.
The only means to revolution is a massive uprising of the proletariat, when the majority of the people want and desire change and are willing to fight for that change. If you look at other countries as an example when there is a massive uprising that is so large, the ruling elite have little power and the police/military are simply not effective in oppressing the uprising. When the police/military are ordered to fire upon crowds of people and those soldiers/officers have friends/family in those crowds, what are they going to do?
A perfect example is in France 1969 when exactly that occurred. After brutal police repression of student demonstrations, tens of millions of French workers went on strike and eventually took over entire cities/universities/factories etc. The entire country was paralyzed and in control of the working class citizens. Because the uprising was so massive, the military/police were infected by the revolution and most eventually sided with the people. Once the tools of oppression of the ruling elite are no longer willing to take orders, the ruling elite are powerless.
This is basic "revolution 101"
Even the Russian Revolution in 1917, only 40 people were killed. It was a hugely successful and a non-violent revolution and for the first time in the history, the proletariat overthrew the ruling class. The bloodshed was spilled during the COUNTER Revolution, where 21 or so Capitalist countries sent in troops to try and crush the workers revolution, which ultimately failed. The difference between Russia 1917 and the US today is one was a backwards, 3rd world country while the other is the most powerful nation in the world. If there were ever a revolution in Amerika, there would not be other nations that would send in troops. The ripple effect of Revolution in Amerika would spread across the world within weeks, if not days.
For the time being yes, but you, like most others, fail to realize the power of the working class.
Incorrect, and I'll show you why.
First of all, the majority of individuals have not found a stake in the current system. If so, we wouldn't have so many problems in teh criminal justice system, would not have problems in education, would have less problems with std's would have affordable health care, and would be content with working minimum wage. The majority of americans are content, because they are brainwashed, and brainwashing starts when you're young and told to "buy this so you can be that". You have been conditioned by corporations, religion, political parties, the media and your family.
But lets say that we acknowledge your absurd claim as truth and say these people DID find a stake in the current system. If they see the system is not working, turn a blind eye and pretend nothing is wrong aren't they brainwashed? Yes, they are brainwashed, and believe that the problem is not their problem or that the problem will go away.
First of all, the majority of individuals have not found a stake in the current system. If so, we wouldn't have so many problems in teh criminal justice system, would not have problems in education, would have less problems with std's would have affordable health care, and would be content with working minimum wage. The majority of americans are content, because they are brainwashed, and brainwashing starts when you're young and told to "buy this so you can be that". You have been conditioned by corporations, religion, political parties, the media and your family.
But lets say that we acknowledge your absurd claim as truth and say these people DID find a stake in the current system. If they see the system is not working, turn a blind eye and pretend nothing is wrong aren't they brainwashed? Yes, they are brainwashed, and believe that the problem is not their problem or that the problem will go away.
Obviously you do or you wouldn't reply.
Thanks, I forget Jesus is coming Armageddon will be forced upon Evil Amerika before we can get to that stage. When is it again? 2012, 2020?
That's a pretty weak reason. Russia and several "failed" revolutions before they eventially has success (so did Germany and countless other countries).
15 years or so?
There were a number of reasons why the revolution in that time period did not continue, such as the revolution actually winning on many different levels (they ended the vietnam war, won many civil rights, won workers rights, etc.)
No you do not but that certainly does not prove revolution cannot occur in the future!
Wait until the living conditions for the AVERAGE american is negatively affected.
So you honestly believe that our current system will continue forever? People will NEVER change? Living conditions, in a already decaying system, will not get worse? Capitalism WILL have it's breaking point, it's only a matter of time. This country is already in a state of decay and it cannot continue the way it currently is forever. There will be a point when it can no longer provide for the majority of the citizens and feed our current lifestyles.
There are certain conditions that also must be in place in order for revolution:
1). A split in the ruling class. Marx stated, "Revolution starts from the top.” The split puts society into two different groups: one section seeks a solution in the suppression of the mass movement while the other seeks reforms from the top in order to prevent revolution from below.
2). The masses must desire change. They must have the attitude that they cannot live under these conditions any longer; they must want revolution. Trotsky states, "A revolution breaks out when all the antagonisms of a society have reached their highest tension".
-This will undoubtedly occur when our economy continues to worsen and the average Joe's living conditions are seriously effected.
3). Workers leadership. There must be leadership capable of taking the masses towards a socialist transformation of society. This is crucial and is the number one reason why so many revolutions have failed throughout the world. Without a firm Marxist understanding and the want/desire for socialism (and not for selfish gains) the revolution will almost undoubtedly fail.
There are other factors of course but for lack of time I will exclude them for the time being.
Thanks, I forget Jesus is coming Armageddon will be forced upon Evil Amerika before we can get to that stage. When is it again? 2012, 2020?
That's a pretty weak reason. Russia and several "failed" revolutions before they eventially has success (so did Germany and countless other countries).
15 years or so?
There were a number of reasons why the revolution in that time period did not continue, such as the revolution actually winning on many different levels (they ended the vietnam war, won many civil rights, won workers rights, etc.)
No you do not but that certainly does not prove revolution cannot occur in the future!
Wait until the living conditions for the AVERAGE american is negatively affected.
So you honestly believe that our current system will continue forever? People will NEVER change? Living conditions, in a already decaying system, will not get worse? Capitalism WILL have it's breaking point, it's only a matter of time. This country is already in a state of decay and it cannot continue the way it currently is forever. There will be a point when it can no longer provide for the majority of the citizens and feed our current lifestyles.
There are certain conditions that also must be in place in order for revolution:
1). A split in the ruling class. Marx stated, "Revolution starts from the top.” The split puts society into two different groups: one section seeks a solution in the suppression of the mass movement while the other seeks reforms from the top in order to prevent revolution from below.
2). The masses must desire change. They must have the attitude that they cannot live under these conditions any longer; they must want revolution. Trotsky states, "A revolution breaks out when all the antagonisms of a society have reached their highest tension".
-This will undoubtedly occur when our economy continues to worsen and the average Joe's living conditions are seriously effected.
3). Workers leadership. There must be leadership capable of taking the masses towards a socialist transformation of society. This is crucial and is the number one reason why so many revolutions have failed throughout the world. Without a firm Marxist understanding and the want/desire for socialism (and not for selfish gains) the revolution will almost undoubtedly fail.
There are other factors of course but for lack of time I will exclude them for the time being.
List some of these other countries and make sure you list there current economic stability and global rank. You can't compare revolts that happen in countries thata re not industrialized to revolts that you claim would happen here. The ruling elite in THIS country do NOT have little power, and the police/millitary are more than capable of supressing an uprising. What will they do? They'll do the SAME THING they did after Katrina, the watts riots, the detroit riots, etc. Shoot any fool trying to get in their way and stop them from protecting the constitution and out liberties.
No, it is quite possible to reply to something and not have much interest or care. Did you know this were possible?
I hope it happens within the next five minutes, why wait another 5 or more?
Again, these people already had significant problems that were going on for a prolonged period of time (like the Berlin Wall for example.) We don't have any "problems" comparable to russia or germany, and the problems we did have were solved or pacified in the best manner possible.
And how long did the problem occur before the revolts happened?
And what happened as a result? More homeless on the streets (the homeless spike in america is directly linked to the vietnam war), more addiction (again linked to the war) outsourcing of jobs (which result in child labor in countries where the jobs are outsourced to) and a host of other issues. Again, no one here is going through anything that would cause a revolt, and even if they did, the revolt would be crushed within record breaking time.
No problems, no revolution, and even if a problem did occur, it would be fixed before things got out of hand.
The average american is a useless eater and one of the herd. The average american will do nothing except for trust in the government. Listen, the average american is already being affected, but he and she are too frail minded and feeble to acknowledge this simple truth.
It can, but it won't.
No. The cycle will continue and cannot be broken.
They can get worse, but the majority of the people will go along with the decaying system and be content with their living conditions if they are already brainwashed/conditioned or predisposed to being brainwashed and conditioned.
I hope it happens within the next five minutes, why wait another 5 or more?
Again, these people already had significant problems that were going on for a prolonged period of time (like the Berlin Wall for example.) We don't have any "problems" comparable to russia or germany, and the problems we did have were solved or pacified in the best manner possible.
And how long did the problem occur before the revolts happened?
And what happened as a result? More homeless on the streets (the homeless spike in america is directly linked to the vietnam war), more addiction (again linked to the war) outsourcing of jobs (which result in child labor in countries where the jobs are outsourced to) and a host of other issues. Again, no one here is going through anything that would cause a revolt, and even if they did, the revolt would be crushed within record breaking time.
No problems, no revolution, and even if a problem did occur, it would be fixed before things got out of hand.
The average american is a useless eater and one of the herd. The average american will do nothing except for trust in the government. Listen, the average american is already being affected, but he and she are too frail minded and feeble to acknowledge this simple truth.
It can, but it won't.
No. The cycle will continue and cannot be broken.
They can get worse, but the majority of the people will go along with the decaying system and be content with their living conditions if they are already brainwashed/conditioned or predisposed to being brainwashed and conditioned.
Yes, it's true, but Revolution doesn’t come over night and when it does finally come, it's also a long process. The key is the masses and raising their level of consciousness, which occurs when their living conditions become less than pleasant, amongst other things. The revolutionary state of mind amongst the masses during the 60's and 70's certainly didn't come over night; it was a vast number of factors that led to that state of mind and as I have mentioned above, Capitalism is America is in a state of decay, which is why we need to invade countries like Iraq and other third world nations to get their resources. Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism and is what is keeping us alive but it cannot forever. The economy has rapidly been in decay and will continue to get worse. Eventually conditions will reach the point were the average man is living uncomfortable, which then of course creates the desire for change.
Interested enough to reply.
If there is a god it will happen when I press the “Submit Reply” button.
No, not yet, but my point, in case you missed it, is that eventually we will have significant problems which in turn will lead to revolution. I said in my original reply that Revolution in America is not possible now, but in the future it will be.
*BTW, the Berlin wall was long after the failed revolutions of Russia and Germany that I was speaking of. I was talking about the many failed revolutions prior to the Workers revolution in Russia 1917, and the failed workers revolutions in Germany after the 1917 revolution.
I’m not sure, 20-40 years?
Right because the revolution failed to advance (there are tons of reasons why, if you’d like we can discuss those factors although it has little to do with the topic imo).
And again, I said that revolution will occur in the future, not now.
there will be massive problems in the feature (possibly very near).
This is where you’re wrong. Most average Americans do not trust the government (look up any recent polls).
Explain to me how capitalism, like what we have now in American, can survive forever? Even the most hardcore capitalist agree that it cannot.
5,000 years from now the human race will be the same?
This is where I disagree with you and this is where I believe you’re ignorant and in need of further research.
If there is a god it will happen when I press the “Submit Reply” button.
No, not yet, but my point, in case you missed it, is that eventually we will have significant problems which in turn will lead to revolution. I said in my original reply that Revolution in America is not possible now, but in the future it will be.
*BTW, the Berlin wall was long after the failed revolutions of Russia and Germany that I was speaking of. I was talking about the many failed revolutions prior to the Workers revolution in Russia 1917, and the failed workers revolutions in Germany after the 1917 revolution.
I’m not sure, 20-40 years?
Right because the revolution failed to advance (there are tons of reasons why, if you’d like we can discuss those factors although it has little to do with the topic imo).
And again, I said that revolution will occur in the future, not now.
there will be massive problems in the feature (possibly very near).
This is where you’re wrong. Most average Americans do not trust the government (look up any recent polls).
Explain to me how capitalism, like what we have now in American, can survive forever? Even the most hardcore capitalist agree that it cannot.
5,000 years from now the human race will be the same?
This is where I disagree with you and this is where I believe you’re ignorant and in need of further research.
The majority of individuals are not in the criminal justice system, have college degrees, don't have stds, have health care, and work well above the price of minimum wage.
Most people are aware of the problems you describe and many do not turn a blind eye. What would you like to see them do? What is your solution to the problems you described?
Most people are aware of the problems you describe and many do not turn a blind eye. What would you like to see them do? What is your solution to the problems you described?
I don't like when you go back and edit posts like that. It makes it seem as if I missed something and failed to reply, when in reality I answered what was present at the time. However, let me address what you added.
Capitalism for THIS country will have a breaking point, but in other countries it won't. Yes, this country is in a state of decay, but as long as the people are lied to and believe the lies it doesn't matter. The ends justify the means, and at the end of the day if you control the people, and what people percieve as "truth" it doesn't matter. Money, USED to be KING/GOD in our world, but there is a greater tool to control the masses. Do you know what it is?
Religion? Nope.
Drugs? Nope.
Sex? Nope.
Take a guess......
That won't happen in our society. The ruling class operate as a hive or one organism. While they may diverge in some areas, they all have a common goal/bond and interest. Now, since you mentioned Marx, who is obviously the father of conflict theorists, I need you to explain which group of people currently have the ability to do spearhead both groups.
The people have no reason to desire change. They can desire change all they want, but as long as they eat the message that problems do not occur, and that change is taboo you won't have many deviating from status quo.
Define "seriously effected".
Refer to #2.
Capitalism for THIS country will have a breaking point, but in other countries it won't. Yes, this country is in a state of decay, but as long as the people are lied to and believe the lies it doesn't matter. The ends justify the means, and at the end of the day if you control the people, and what people percieve as "truth" it doesn't matter. Money, USED to be KING/GOD in our world, but there is a greater tool to control the masses. Do you know what it is?
Religion? Nope.
Drugs? Nope.
Sex? Nope.
Take a guess......
That won't happen in our society. The ruling class operate as a hive or one organism. While they may diverge in some areas, they all have a common goal/bond and interest. Now, since you mentioned Marx, who is obviously the father of conflict theorists, I need you to explain which group of people currently have the ability to do spearhead both groups.
The people have no reason to desire change. They can desire change all they want, but as long as they eat the message that problems do not occur, and that change is taboo you won't have many deviating from status quo.
Define "seriously effected".
Refer to #2.
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i teach them the opposite of what they have been brainwashed...that they are not worthless because of who their parent are or where they are from....that the police and other forms of authority cant push you around the way they try to....that we have rights as human beings to be happy and safe in our environment.....that if we continue to let things go the way they are we will all be slaves again just in a new fashion.....i especially teach them that just because they see so and so making a lot of money and doing what he do doesnt mean thats the life they should also desire......and that someone who claims to be your homie aint always out for you best interests so keep your eyes open......also that violence isnt the answer to everything but is sometimes neccessary for some people to understand.....
I don't believe you comprehend what I typed. If the majority actually DID have a stake, the numbers would show, and the trickle down theory would probably yield results.
No, but the majority of people are effected by rulings and laws created and enforced by the criminal justice system.
I'm sorry, but the majority of people in america do not have college degrees.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/educ-attn.html
I'm sorry, but according to research, "More than half of all people will have an STD/STI at some point in their lifetime. [1]The estimated total number of people living in the US with a viral STD/STI is over 65 million. [2] Every year, there are at least 19 million new cases of STDs/STIs, some of which are curable. [2,3]."
http://www.ashastd.org/learn/learn_statistics.cfm
As of 2005, 45 million americans had no health coverage, and that number continues to rise. Again, if the majority had a stake these numbers would be on the decline or would stay even through out the course of time.
Yet poverty still exists amongst these people.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm1186.cfm
LOL!
Not do what they are currently doing.
There is no solution. None of these problems can be solved.
No, but the majority of people are effected by rulings and laws created and enforced by the criminal justice system.
I'm sorry, but the majority of people in america do not have college degrees.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/educ-attn.html
I'm sorry, but according to research, "More than half of all people will have an STD/STI at some point in their lifetime. [1]The estimated total number of people living in the US with a viral STD/STI is over 65 million. [2] Every year, there are at least 19 million new cases of STDs/STIs, some of which are curable. [2,3]."
http://www.ashastd.org/learn/learn_statistics.cfm
As of 2005, 45 million americans had no health coverage, and that number continues to rise. Again, if the majority had a stake these numbers would be on the decline or would stay even through out the course of time.
Yet poverty still exists amongst these people.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm1186.cfm
LOL!
Not do what they are currently doing.
There is no solution. None of these problems can be solved.
I’m sorry you do not like that, but I wrote my message in a word document and left out some shit.
Explain to me how Capitalism will not have a breaking point in other countries, when capitalism itself cannot continue forever?
For the time being sure. But as I mentioned, there are a number for factors that can and will change the level of consciousness amongst the masses.
At the end of the day (the end of capitalism), it wont matter what tools are used to control the masses because those tools will be useless (as I explained).
It will and it has already happened.
Two quick examples:
1). Vietnam War. The split in the ruling class was a). continue the war and b). give in to the masses and end the war (they did this out of FEAR that the revolution would topple the current system).
2). The Iraq War. Same as above, although to a much lower extent.
The secret group formally known as the Illuminati?!?! The shape-shifting Reptoids!?
I have already explained that when the living conditions of the average citizen are so undesirable that they will want and even demand change (as they have in ALL revolutions in history).
Which is a current problem, but certainly will not be a problem forever.
Oh, I don’t know – massive unemployment, massive cost increase for basic needs (food, gas, shelter, water, etc. become unfordable, or nearly unfordable), lack of income, etc.
Refer above.
Explain to me how Capitalism will not have a breaking point in other countries, when capitalism itself cannot continue forever?
For the time being sure. But as I mentioned, there are a number for factors that can and will change the level of consciousness amongst the masses.
At the end of the day (the end of capitalism), it wont matter what tools are used to control the masses because those tools will be useless (as I explained).
It will and it has already happened.
Two quick examples:
1). Vietnam War. The split in the ruling class was a). continue the war and b). give in to the masses and end the war (they did this out of FEAR that the revolution would topple the current system).
2). The Iraq War. Same as above, although to a much lower extent.
The secret group formally known as the Illuminati?!?! The shape-shifting Reptoids!?
I have already explained that when the living conditions of the average citizen are so undesirable that they will want and even demand change (as they have in ALL revolutions in history).
Which is a current problem, but certainly will not be a problem forever.
Oh, I don’t know – massive unemployment, massive cost increase for basic needs (food, gas, shelter, water, etc. become unfordable, or nearly unfordable), lack of income, etc.
Refer above.