The Chance for Revolution LOST?????

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CcytzO_Loc

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i was thinking some shit the other night and i realized that a revolution in America isn't realistic any more.....

This country is already full of brainwashed individuals who would never be willing to physically fight for their freedoms......we don't have uprisings like other countries still do....we don't have big wars against our government....everyone says if you wanna make a change you need to get educated and get into politics or write your senator blah blah blah......what happened to the George Washington days when people rather die than live under the rule of a government they didn't believe in?????

the civil war was the last of its kind.....that shit wont happen again....the second someone even seriously talks about doing something like that they'll be under investigation and labeled a terrorist.....

the native americans were reduced to almost nothing by the white man......now they coming up money wise cuz of the casinos and such but do any of them think anything like their ancestors and ever dream of taking this country bacc over????? or have they just completely sold out????

i dunno i was just thinking of a lot of shit like this cuz i know i would be down if there was an organized civil war against our government but then i realize how hard that would be to accomplish.....pretty much impossible.....they already own us......
 
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I had been thinking the same thing a few weeks ago... and I don't even live in the US. There are all brainwashed people there AND you have gun control.
My conclusion about it was that the US has this gun law also to protect itself from revolution. If a few people stand up to make a revolt the US gov will probably use some form of propagenda and probably makes it ok for people who own a gun to shoot the revolutionairs when they have the change. What a convienent for the US gov..

or I could be totally wrong here....
 
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iaoish said:
I had been thinking the same thing a few weeks ago... and I don't even live in the US. There are all brainwashed people there AND you have gun control.
My conclusion about it was that the US has this gun law also to protect itself from revolution. If a few people stand up to make a revolt the US gov will probably use some form of propagenda and probably makes it ok for people who own a gun to shoot the revolutionairs when they have the change. What a convienent for the US gov..

or I could be totally wrong here....
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your partly right....patriot act is a better example though......that shit is so they can label anyone a terrorist now....
 
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i believe that the revolution wont be fought by john Q public, but by the people who are better adapted to the streets and who are already armed.. the soldiers are there, they just need to be led in the right direction.
 
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The US has all his soldiers scattered over the globe nowaday's so a revolution can't be stopped by the army then, I guess... Especially when the US is going to invade Iran
 
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TROLL said:
i believe that the revolution wont be fought by john Q public, but by the people who are better adapted to the streets and who are already armed.. the soldiers are there, they just need to be led in the right direction.
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but there is very little chance of there being leadership....all theses soldiers are separated by bullshit that keeps them from ever uniting and the government wants to keep it that way.....


They luccy i aint no Native american in charge of what goes in wit the money from the casinos....id be buyin up weapons and tanks and shit and start an army to fight for my land bacc......then id go recruit all the blaccs, asians and mexicans from the hoods....start breaking foos outta prisons....lol......but all that would more likely lead to anarchy and chaos rather than a revolution.....
 
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iaoish said:
The US has all his soldiers scattered over the globe nowaday's so a revolution can't be stopped by the army then, I guess... Especially when the US is going to invade Iran
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you might be right though......the war has weakend the home front and resources are spread thin.....now if only our rich Indian leader would step forward haha......
 
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CcytzO_Loc said:
but there is very little chance of there being leadership....all theses soldiers are separated by bullshit that keeps them from ever uniting and the government wants to keep it that way.....
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i agree.. when i was growing up i heard older homies try to preach about a revolution but we all jus kinda brushed it off..
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They luccy i aint no Native american in charge of what goes in wit the money from the casinos....id be buyin up weapons and tanks and shit and start an army to fight for my land bacc......then id go recruit all the blaccs, asians and mexicans from the hoods....start breaking foos outta prisons....lol......but all that would more likely lead to anarchy and chaos rather than a revolution.....
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if i had the money id buy a fat piece of land and build a fort-like complex to train folx and provide safe haven.. train in things like, criminal justice, politics and of course weapons lol..

along with a fleet of scrapers to lend to certain folx to patrol neighborhoods.. when police are fuckin with someone they all jus converge in one spot..
 
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i agree.. when i was growing up i heard older homies try to preach about a revolution but we all jus kinda brushed it off..

if i had the money id buy a fat piece of land and build a fort-like complex to train folx and provide safe haven.. train in things like, criminal justice, politics and of course weapons lol..

along with a fleet of scrapers to lend to certain folx to patrol neighborhoods.. when police are fuckin with someone they all jus converge in one spot..
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1. You realize you would instantly be assaulted by every law enforcement entity there is, and some we dont know about.

2. If the 'war' is carried out by nortenos, surenos, and crips, the public wont trust them / back it.
 
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A revolution against what? being the most ballinous country? revolt against religious freedom? revolution against being the center of global pop culture? revolt against space exploration and scientific innovation? maybe its our economic independence that you want abolioshed? semi-democracy?

yeah, id like to trade all that in to be run by a bunch of people whose idea of achievement is owning a bouncing car even though they still live in a shitty apartment, who dangle little flags around that they bought at the dollar store, who dropped out of school when they were 14. the real leaders in these communities arent in these communities anymore because they got out of these shitty conditions and moved up and on to contribute to society instead of fantasizing about destroying the greatest nation on the planet.
 
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I see your point.



*There would have to be a common goal and common factor driving the MASSES to fight for that same issue. Problem is we are so divided by race, politics, money, location that I don't see one earthly person that would be able to spark the flame.
 
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nhojsmith said:
A revolution against what? being the most ballinous country? revolt against religious freedom? revolution against being the center of global pop culture? revolt against space exploration and scientific innovation? maybe its our economic independence that you want abolioshed? semi-democracy?

yeah, id like to trade all that in to be run by a bunch of people whose idea of achievement is owning a bouncing car even though they still live in a shitty apartment, who dangle little flags around that they bought at the dollar store, who dropped out of school when they were 14. the real leaders in these communities arent in these communities anymore because they got out of these shitty conditions and moved up and on to contribute to society instead of fantasizing about destroying the greatest nation on the planet.
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that is why i said it would lead to anarchy and chaos most likely......but your also running stereotypes....im a gangsta and grew up in a gang.....i finished school and went to college.....not all of us go by the media's interpretation of a gangsta.....thats the problem these days.....our causes that started have been reduced to nothing and taken over by these stereotypes......im a leader and im still in the hood and i teach these kids something better than the bullshit you claim we all about........
 
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CcytzO_Loc said:
that is why i said it would lead to anarchy and chaos most likely......but your also running stereotypes....im a gangsta and grew up in a gang.....i finished school and went to college.....not all of us go by the media's interpretation of a gangsta.....thats the problem these days.....our causes that started have been reduced to nothing and taken over by these stereotypes......im a leader and im still in the hood and i teach these kids something better than the bullshit you claim we all about........
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i have problems with stereotypes but also see they have value at times. if they were just ludicrous ideas, nobody would pay attention to them and would just brush them off. the people who fuel stereoypes are the same ones being stereotyped. did most of the people you ran with go to college? i bet you are the minority.

but since i dont know, let me ask, what are your causes? what do you teach these kids? what do you want to wage an armed revolt against? and thats good shit you stick around to teach them. cant take anything away from that.

in general terms though, people on the bottom have a right to feel alienated and have a desire for change, but dont forget that there are many people living in paradise in the very same system you might despise, people who came from nothing. i dont understand why you would revolt against a system that makes that possible, especially considering where youre coming from...
 
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The US is full of pussies, because people are turned into pussies with institutions like college and schools, through TV and media. People are trained to be passive, and honestly, people see how fucked up most of the rest of the world is, so they take whatever because they know that people are dying to get to this country everyday.

So basically, a revolution in this country was closest to happening in the early 1900's or maybe even the 60's, but in modern days, it will have to come from somewhere else...
 
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It's obvious that Capitalism is in it's final stages and has long past its useful purpose. Capitalism stands as the direct barrier to the development of society on a higher stage and it must and will be swept aside and fully eliminated.

Not only is Revolution possible in America, it is inevitable! Already we have seen signs of Revolution all across America with widespread dissent for the ruling parties, mass protests across the nation, etc.

Does anyone honestly believe this very exact system will continue moving forward for another 5,000 years?!?

As of RIGHT NOW, Revolution in America is not possible. But that is not to say it wont be possible 15, 25, 50, 100 years from now.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago when America, and the rest of the world, was in a state of Revolution. That time period being the 60's/70's. The word Revolution was used by everyone, and even the ruling parties used the word and admitted America was in a state of Revolution.

There are so many different things that can ignite a revolution: police/military oppression, the economy, war, a mandatory military draft, civil rights issues, etc.

It's only a matter of time. The real question is when.
 
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Then it is my conclusion that you seriously lack a basic understanding of Revolution and society in general.
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i dont think you are using the same definition of revolution as the original poster. he implied armed revolt against the government. there will be gradual and even significant changes at times in this country, but not through armed revolution. you would be destroyed before you even started which is maybe the underlying point of this whole discussion. the government has effectively divided us and has us squabble amongst ourselves. even if you rise above that and try to gather munitions and start your own way of life and follow your own values they will literally burn you and your children alive a la waco, that was no fucking accident, and that was in the 90's!!!!!!
 
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Who cares about your conclusion Dr.Spock? There will never be a major revolution in this country. If it were going to happen it would have happened by now. You had "revolts" in the 60's and 70's, but how long did these revolts last? Think about it, in the 60's you had teh civil rights movement and so-called revolts because a large percentage of the population were still opressed. However, in this day in age, you don't have a large group of people being opressed in that same fashion.

Again, the only thing you'll have is cars being burned up, a couple of white kids being killed, a couple of negroes beaten and framed by the police, and a couple of jew lawyers getting rich by suing the government. You won't have people taking up arms and fighting the government like something out of a comic book or B-movie.

The generations that come after us have already been brainwashed. Your grand children will be slaves, your great grandchildren will be slaves, etc. The conditioning is already set, and things will never change. Simply get used to it and stop trying to fight the government. Find something better to do like going to school or knitting garments for all I care, but stop trying to wage war against the government.
 
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