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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
How about Warren Sapp, Kerry Collins, Charlie Garner, RANDY MOSS, LAMONT JORDAN, just to name a few.

And Rich Gannon was just another Kurt Warner. The talent around him made him look better than he was. Burgess is the only one who's career hasn't taken a shit, yet.
In 04 Warren Sapp played out of position so he didn't do too well, Last season Sapp was having a monster season but unfortuantely wen't down with injury...

Kerry Collins was a bad move to begin with

Charlie Garner was a good RB for the Raiders,, ????

Randy Moss is still one of the top 3 WRs in the game, In his first season with Oak he didn't do the best but he still managed to surpass 1,000 yds on limited attempts his way ( thank Collins ) and injury

And what the hell you bring up Lamont Jordan for?? He was a BACKUP for the jets, His career is just beginning! First time as a starting RB and he's passed 1,000 yds behind a horrible oline and has the making of a leader

So sorry but I just don't agree with your "knowledge"
 
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RAS 925 said:
In 04 Warren Sapp played out of position so he didn't do too well, Last season Sapp was having a monster season but unfortuantely wen't down with injury...
Out of position? He's a fuckin Defensive Tackle. Where was he playing? Linebacker?

RAS 925 said:
Kerry Collins was a bad move to begin with
Actually he was a good QB, until he put on the Silver & Black.

RAS 925 said:
Charlie Garner was a good RB for the Raiders,, ????
No, he was good for the Niners. Then he went to Oakland and did what? Nothing. Point proven.

RAS 925 said:
Randy Moss is still one of the top 3 WRs in the game, In his first season with Oak he didn't do the best but he still managed to surpass 1,000 yds on limited attempts his way ( thank Collins ) and injury
Moss is my favorite receiver in the NFL, by far. But his stats on the Raiders were horrible compared to every other season in his career. He took a huge plunge and I guarantee he would avoid Oakland if he had it to do over again. Obviously he wouldn't come out and say that just yet.

RAS 925 said:
And what the hell you bring up Lamont Jordan for?? He was a BACKUP for the jets, His career is just beginning! First time as a starting RB and he's passed 1,000 yds behind a horrible oline
I brought him up because clowns like yourself get their panties in a bunch when I do. I firmly believe he would have been better off elsewhere. The Raiders don't know what to do with a RB.

RAS 925 said:
So sorry but I just don't agree with your "knowledge"
That's due to your lack of knowledge, and the ignorance that accompanies being a Raider fan.
 
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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
Out of position? He's a fuckin Defensive Tackle. Where was he playing? Linebacker?

in 04 Norv had him playing DE and finally realized he was a DT


Actually he was a good QB, until he put on the Silver & Black.

Collins was "decent" behind a pretty good line, New York made the right move by going with a rookie instead ( Eli Manning )


No, he was good for the Niners. Then he went to Oakland and did what? Nothing. Point proven.

Did nothing with the Raiders? hmmmm your obviously just biased,, I still have memories from 02 when he would have those good runs ( go search for video and get educated )


Moss is my favorite receiver in the NFL, by far. But his stats on the Raiders were horrible compared to every other season in his career. He took a huge plunge and I guarantee he would avoid Oakland if he had it to do over again. Obviously he wouldn't come out and say that just yet.

Give him a QB that will actually look his way and you'll see the real Moss again..


I brought him up because clowns like yourself get their panties in a bunch when I do. I firmly believe he would have been better off elsewhere. The Raiders don't know what to do with a RB.

heh your just a typical Raider hater.. SF fan, enough said :dead:
 
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RAS 925 said:
Did nothing with the Raiders? hmmmm your obviously just biased,, I still have memories from 02 when he would have those good runs ( go search for video and get educated )
Biased? He was a 1,000 yard rusher for SF while sharing the load both years he was there. He came close to that mark in his second year with the Raiders, but they did not utilize his ability. They wasted his talent. Those should have been his best year but instead they turned him into a mediocre player. I don't need to search for video, and if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't need to either.

RAS 925 said:
heh your just a typical Raider hater.. SF fan, enough said :dead:
The same can be said about yourself, just replace the words "Raider" with "SF" and vice-versa.
 
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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
Biased? He was a 1,000 yard rusher for SF while sharing the load both years he was there. He came close to that mark in his second year with the Raiders, but they did not utilize his ability. They wasted his talent. Those should have been his best year but instead they turned him into a mediocre player. I don't need to search for video, and if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't need to either.

Garner was never a guy you could have to carry the load, But he was able to get what needed to be done ( 02 ) If he was so good to carry the load why didn't he remain with SF?

The same can be said about yourself, just replace the words "Raider" with "SF" and vice-versa.

yeah but the difference I base things on whats real, You base on whats real as well but mainly base things on what YOU think and not whats actually true
 
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[-KoRp$-]559 said:
RAS925 haha damn I hope your not like Tony and like the Raiders just because Moss joined them LMAO!!!! that would make 2 dumbass fakes and team jumpers, you were probably a Vikings fan haha cmon dont lie. LOL
are you serious???? WIN, LOSE OR TIE, RAIDERS TIL I DIE.... Moss could leave right now and I'd be a RAIDER.... The Raiders can go 1-15 and I'd still remain a fan... East Bay born & raised homie.. no bandwagon hoppin' for me
 
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Garner had what it takes to carry the load, but the Niners didn't keep him because of 2 reasons. First, they had Garrison Hearst. Second, the Raiders offered more money.
RAS 925 said:
yeah but the difference I base things on whats real, You base on whats real as well but mainly base things on what YOU think and not whats actually true
I've yet to be proven wrong. Haha
 
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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
Garner had what it takes to carry the load, but the Niners didn't keep him because of 2 reasons. First, they had Garrison Hearst. Second, the Raiders offered more money.
Thats a good thought I guess, But I just don't think he'd be able to do it.Couldn't in Philly either...Didn't seem like that type of back who can pound the defenders and carry the rock ( ex. Holmes, Dillon, etc. )

I've yet to be proven wrong. Haha

With things that you say there is no chance for you to be proven wrong, Example: "Jordan would do better if he was on another team" etc... Thats like me saying yeah Alex Smith would have had a probowl rookie year with another team.. Need to base things on whats real instead of basically guessing
 
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Didn't Garner have 900 yds rushing and recieving in 2002? Thats not bad at all so I dont know what the fuck you are talkin about. Sapp played DE in 03'..Atliest know the facts if you wanna pretend like you know it all..
 
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3VID3NC3 said:
Didn't Garner have 900 yds rushing and recieving in 2002? Thats not bad at all so I dont know what the fuck you are talkin about. Sapp played DE in 03'..Atliest know the facts if you wanna pretend like you know it all..
thank you! This guy is basically GUESSING instead of knowin whats real before he speaks on what he "thinks" Its obvious he's just a typical Raider hater because the things he says obviously aren't correct
 
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RAS 925 said:
With things that you say there is no chance for you to be proven wrong, Example: "Jordan would do better if he was on another team" etc... Thats like me saying yeah Alex Smith would have had a probowl rookie year with another team.. Need to base things on whats real instead of basically guessing
Come on dog..

I post all over this forum with opinions backed by facts. That's a nice little attempt at trying to discredit me, but unfortunately only your fellow Raider fans will back you with their ignorance. Here's an example of the shit I say that you idiots can't prove to be wrong:


3VID3NC3 said:
Didn't Garner have 900 yds rushing and recieving in 2002? Thats not bad at all so I dont know what the fuck you are talkin about. Sapp played DE in 03'..Atliest know the facts if you wanna pretend like you know it all..
Didn't I say he came close to the 1,000 yard mark with the Raiders in his second year there? Read before you type your stupid ass comments. And I was not aware that Sapp was at DE on the Raiders. Regardless he was still on the line and should have performed a lot better than he did. Look at Bryant Young, he was moved to DE last year and did a fantastic job. So my point was proven regardless of what position Sapp was placed at. He still went downhill when joining Oakland (there's a fact.... try to prove it wrong). End of story.

RAS 925 said:
This guy is basically GUESSING instead of knowin whats real before he speaks on what he "thinks" Its obvious he's just a typical Raider hater because the things he says obviously aren't correct
I'm GUESSING that Charlie Garner went downhill with the Raiders, yet his stats prove it. I'm GUESSING that Moss went downhill with the Raiders, yet last year was his worst season where he participated in every game. I'm GUESSING Warren Sapp went downhill with the Raiders, yet his stats also prove it. Yeah man, all I do is guess. (sarcasm, in case your dumbasses didn't catch it)
 
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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:



Didn't I say he came close to the 1,000 yard mark with the Raiders in his second year there? Read before you type your stupid ass comments.



Didnt you also say he did nothing in Oakland? Fuckin hypocrite..save me your stupid ass comments