back in the 94'-97' era, you could EASILY be impressed by the beats. You knew their names, and when asked who's your favorite producers in the bay area are, you'd get tons of variations. Nowadays there's barely anymore producers who could still produce, seems like there's more rappers than there are producers. Where are these producers who made the shit you love to hear? No more G-man stan? No more Studio Ton? No Sam bostic? No more funk daddy? No more Khayree? And there were tons of producers in that era that aren't well known who did the damn thang on albums. And wassup with the hooks? I RARELY see a Levitti hook, a Dee Dee hook, a Mississippi hook let along anymore singers on the hooks. Nowadays it's hard to find an album w/ great production and great hooks w/singers. Looks like many albums that dropped in after 2000 were poorly spent on production and hooks. Ya gotta spend money to get money.
Sup w/the lack of bay area production?
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i cant name names so this isnt a personal attack but its 2005 not 94. simple beats were all that were available then. the technology that has evovled has allowed people who are dope get doper and people who are stuck in the time warp get left behind. expectations are different and the sound quality is different than before. if you still want 80's and early ninety's sound then expect some low budget sounding shit. people have to move with the times. some people make the grade and some people dont.
my 2 pennys hopefully it was on point and gives you an angle to research.
my 2 pennys hopefully it was on point and gives you an angle to research.
Yes that was definitely on point, I was expecting to hear that. I'm not sayin' todays beats are whack, I'm saying I rarely hear any dope shit from the bay with today's beats. Only names I'm hearin and I"m feelin' are EA-SKI SKIRT, ROBLO, Some SEAN T, SYKO, CELLSKI, and some others I forgot to mention. Eventhough the golden bay era had simple beats, they were sick as fuck. I'm still down to hear them simples any way I can if I can. So many dope producers back then, very few now.
i mean with the change of times comes change of sound. even too short had to jump on lil jon band wagon to get fresh for 04'. i mean an 11/5 garcia vegas song will still be classic in 2040 but songs made on todays machinery will out shine the old school sound for ever. nuthin is better than an old school 2 inch reel and and anolog board to mix on. but bottomline, new protools set ups are more time efficiant and easier to opperate and can do sooooooooo many things that were vurtually impossible back then. im all for change. respect where we came from as a "bay area" sound and move forward.
good topic mean mugg.
good topic mean mugg.
I smell ya like my fart I just laid. So if technology is improving and sounds are improving why aren't there that many bay area producers doing the damn thang like back in the era? I doubt most of the producers back then don't even fuck with production anymore. Why aren't there new producers poppin outta nowhere with killa production like back in the golden bay era? That's where I'm tryna get at. Not too many folks in the bay are investing their time into production like back in the day I guess. The bay area had the most creativity in production IMO, and now it's just boo boo. With the technological advancements and our creativity, why are we not makin' a killin' on production? We had soo many producers that were dope and creative now I don't even hear their names anymore. I know it has to do with the improvement of technology but why if we can take advantage of it with our creativity? When I first heard EA-SKI's "ride" I was like DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYAMMMMM the beat was fuckin crazy. EA SKI SKIRT been doin' it since no limit was still in the bay, few producers from then are still doing the damn thang like Sean Tizzle and EA SKI SKIRT. Should of elaborated a lil more towards the end but I'm getting lazy. *EDIT, adding more thoughts as they come in* I'm just sayin production back then just..... damn, I don't know how to put in words, made my blood move and made my hairs jump out it was simply beautiful. I felt the the the the I don't know, it just sounds so fuckin dope back then. I like the mid 90's sound than the early 90's sound. We were getting better and better with technology in the early to mid 90's and somewhere later we just flopped.
i think the process of making a beat is more difficult than it used to be. hip hop asa whole has used up damn near evry drum line imaginable and to come with new off the hook, original sounding shit is far and few between. im sure producers are still at it but you have to remember the final piece to a beat is the voice on top of it. maybe its not the producer but the rapper???? just a thought.
I've already put a lot of thought into your last 2 sentences prior to making this thread. I don't know how to say it but to give an example. For example when I hear Mac Dre's music after rapper gone bad *2000's* I kinda felt he fell off because of the production and age because most of his songs on his albums had boo boo beats. But when I hear killa beats, DRE RIPPS IT. That's what I notice with many rappers, they kill the mic when the beat is tight. When you listen to M-D's millenium music, you hear a lot of wack beats. W/those wack beats, it sounds like he's lazy to spit and sounds like he's just talking. Now with his songs w/killa beats like "tycoon boss" which SYKO made, Dre showed his dopeness(I know it's not a word but we the bay c'mon now) and versatility in his raps and HE FUCKIN KILLED THAT SONG!!! I mean he made a fuckin HIT. Along w/ "feelin myself" and numerous others. I rarely heard Dre come weak on dope beats, I know M-D never came weak at t'all but wack beats make dre sound wack. I just used M-D as an example. Rappers who can make a classic with a weak simple beat are who make songs as well but that's a rarity.
One more thing that's still in my mind, if the mid 90's sound was so dope, and we still bumpin' shit from then, then why can't we still hear some NEW mid 90's sound? I miss the sounds of the keyboard/piano, of course the heavy bass and especially the G-tar. Many classic shit from vallejo had a lot to do with the G-tar.
Naw homie, this is where I truly understood the changes w/producers when it came to technology. If you listen to Khayree's classic shit, it's mainly a lot of bass and as Dutch put it, simple and low quality but tight nonetheless. Have you heard Mall's Illegal business and Immaculate? What about Dre's remix album? Not as dope as we thought it would be since they were mainly production by Khayree. I would still love to Khayree's beats but I don't think he'll come as tight as he did back then. I know I sound like I'm answering my own topic question but my question has been stated in my 2nd/3rd post where I asked why aren't there many new producers like there were back then that are tight? Damn near all the albums in 96' were classics and you know how many producers it took to produce them heated beats.
One more thing that's still in my mind, if the mid 90's sound was so dope, and we still bumpin' shit from then, then why can't we still hear some NEW mid 90's sound? I miss the sounds of the keyboard/piano, of course the heavy bass and especially the G-tar. Many classic shit from vallejo had a lot to do with the G-tar.
Naw homie, this is where I truly understood the changes w/producers when it came to technology. If you listen to Khayree's classic shit, it's mainly a lot of bass and as Dutch put it, simple and low quality but tight nonetheless. Have you heard Mall's Illegal business and Immaculate? What about Dre's remix album? Not as dope as we thought it would be since they were mainly production by Khayree. I would still love to Khayree's beats but I don't think he'll come as tight as he did back then. I know I sound like I'm answering my own topic question but my question has been stated in my 2nd/3rd post where I asked why aren't there many new producers like there were back then that are tight? Damn near all the albums in 96' were classics and you know how many producers it took to produce them heated beats.
Haha, I know man I know. I was just giving an example to dutch's statement, something like:" The rapper makes the song and not the beat." And I don't believe that, I don't think the beat makes the song, it's possible and has occurred of course, but it really takes 2, the rapper and the beat IMO. And I just used Dre as an example.
agreed. a lot of people just arent being heard right now, or maybe taking a different path than the traditional "make beats for the current crop of bay artist." especially today, there are other ways to get in or to get heard in the industry, and the industry goes far beyond the bay. in the end game recognize game and the realest prevails.
but its funny no one mention cats like raphael saadiq or jake & the phatman. they are from the bay and they are winning grammys and racking up the platinum plaques. granted they are more known for rnb but didnt they have one on pac's "new" album? and what about the cat that did the documentary beat on game's album, doesnt he stay out in the east bay?
but its funny no one mention cats like raphael saadiq or jake & the phatman. they are from the bay and they are winning grammys and racking up the platinum plaques. granted they are more known for rnb but didnt they have one on pac's "new" album? and what about the cat that did the documentary beat on game's album, doesnt he stay out in the east bay?
producers these days dont put in as much effort as they did in 1995.
back then, it was only a handful of muthafuckas doin anything rapwise in Frisco, now everyone and they baby brother wants to be a rapper. I was talkin with Gigolo about this a while back and he said back then you had to be on top of your game if you wanted to get heard. these days its just so much weak shit, and producers will just come up with a quick shitty beat just so they could get paid. and computer programs and better technology have had a backlash on production quality in a way because some producers are too dependent on it and dont even use live instruments any more!
I think the thizz records production has the best sound right now, other than that cellski is doin the damn thing, and e-a-ski in oakland
back then, it was only a handful of muthafuckas doin anything rapwise in Frisco, now everyone and they baby brother wants to be a rapper. I was talkin with Gigolo about this a while back and he said back then you had to be on top of your game if you wanted to get heard. these days its just so much weak shit, and producers will just come up with a quick shitty beat just so they could get paid. and computer programs and better technology have had a backlash on production quality in a way because some producers are too dependent on it and dont even use live instruments any more!
I think the thizz records production has the best sound right now, other than that cellski is doin the damn thing, and e-a-ski in oakland
i got every cd,and i mean every cd khayree ever worked on.in my opnion there's none better.the dude used instruments(guitar,bass,even clarinet) on nearly all his songs,and the "mac breakdowns" are like no other producer,very original.even his new shit,problem child,shima,are above all other bay producers.in my opnion that mac dre remix album was tight as fuck,every song had tight ass guitar and live instrument beats on it.
that is very true. you got a lot of people with no music background who got a hold of a pirated computer program and all of a sudden they think theyre a producer. theres also this whole notion that recording is now a DIY process, which couldnt be farther from the truth (although technology has made things easier).
