Some Good Points on Illegal Immigration
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Interesting, never knew that. I got a few questions, since you seem to know a bit about Mexico. Can you tell me what the greedy American Corporations that relocated to Mexico are paying their employees? Do you know the work schedule of a Mexican? I heard they work only like 4 days a week or something, because they aren't allowed to work long hours like most countries where we work long hours with little breaks.
Sales tax.
But I'm fucking up, please excuse me (very hung over
). Here is where I got my info from, http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=14332 I assumed they were referring to illegal, but now that I look back it seems their referring to Legal although it doesnt state if they are also including Illegal in the figures.
But I'm fucking up, please excuse me (very hung over
). Here is where I got my info from, http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=14332 I assumed they were referring to illegal, but now that I look back it seems their referring to Legal although it doesnt state if they are also including Illegal in the figures.
2-0-Sixx said:
Sales tax.
But I'm fucking up, please excuse me (very hung over ). Here is where I got my info from, http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=14332 I assumed they were referring to illegal, but now that I look back it seems their referring to Legal although it doesnt state if they are also including Illegal in the figures.
But I'm fucking up, please excuse me (very hung over
). Here is where I got my info from, http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=14332 I assumed they were referring to illegal, but now that I look back it seems their referring to Legal although it doesnt state if they are also including Illegal in the figures.
2-0-Sixx said:
Sales tax.
But I'm fucking up, please excuse me (very hung over ). Here is where I got my info from, http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=14332 I assumed they were referring to illegal, but now that I look back it seems their referring to Legal although it doesnt state if they are also including Illegal in the figures.
But I'm fucking up, please excuse me (very hung over
). Here is where I got my info from, http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=14332 I assumed they were referring to illegal, but now that I look back it seems their referring to Legal although it doesnt state if they are also including Illegal in the figures.
I have data for illegals concerning taxes.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
"This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Most previous studies have focused on the state and local level and have examined only costs or tax payments, but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered, illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly $29 billion."
The data was written in 2004, there are now 12 million plus illegal immigrants.
Actually it's true. There are over 18 million Americans without jobs, the lower poor class of Americans must compete with illegal immigrants for jobs. And with owners being greedy, they'll choose the cheaper alternative and avoid paying the American worker fair wages. What won't Americans do? Contruction, home improvement, janitorial, gardening, painting, house cleaning, etc. (not going to include picking fruit/vegetables in the scorching sun, they are some soldiers for that). Without illegal immigrants, businesses must pay fair wages and Americans will work. It's allowing the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer.
It's Just like how American corporations are moving across the border to exploit the poor and capitalize on cheap labor. Now with Americans losing jobs because of globalization, and now illegal immigrants are coming massively to the US looking for jobs, how is the average American worker suppose to feel? American contruction workers are losing their jobs, among many other low paying occupations.
I'm not saying it's the illegal immigrants fault, I'm saying it's the corrupted Mexican gov't and their asshole president Vicente Fox's fault. He's deliberately trying to get rid of the poor and encouraging them to head out of Mexico into the US and to send money back to their families. Here are some facts, "Mexico is NOT a poor country. It has the fifth richest economy in the world, and by sending its teeming masses to the U.S., that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should American taxpayers subsidize Mexico's corruption?" I also like to add that Mexico has it's fair share of billionaires.
With all this strong protest and love for La Raza, why not put all that energy into overthrowing the Mexican Gov't? It's the Mexican Gov't's fault the country's economy is not doing well due to greed and corruption.
"You should be thankful that we Mexicans are willing to take jobs you Blacks won't do" - Vicente Fox
This man is racist, he doesn't look Mexican to me, more like a European Spaniard getting rid of the Aztecs!
It's Just like how American corporations are moving across the border to exploit the poor and capitalize on cheap labor. Now with Americans losing jobs because of globalization, and now illegal immigrants are coming massively to the US looking for jobs, how is the average American worker suppose to feel? American contruction workers are losing their jobs, among many other low paying occupations.
I'm not saying it's the illegal immigrants fault, I'm saying it's the corrupted Mexican gov't and their asshole president Vicente Fox's fault. He's deliberately trying to get rid of the poor and encouraging them to head out of Mexico into the US and to send money back to their families. Here are some facts, "Mexico is NOT a poor country. It has the fifth richest economy in the world, and by sending its teeming masses to the U.S., that status keeps on rising. Mexico has more resources per square mile than the U.S. and plenty of money to take care of its own people. Why should American taxpayers subsidize Mexico's corruption?" I also like to add that Mexico has it's fair share of billionaires.
With all this strong protest and love for La Raza, why not put all that energy into overthrowing the Mexican Gov't? It's the Mexican Gov't's fault the country's economy is not doing well due to greed and corruption.
"You should be thankful that we Mexicans are willing to take jobs you Blacks won't do" - Vicente Fox
This man is racist, he doesn't look Mexican to me, more like a European Spaniard getting rid of the Aztecs!
You can’t place all the blame on Fox (although he is of course part of the problem and likely a racist as you pointed out. BTW, he was previously supervisor of Coca-Cola's operations in Mexico, and then in all of Latin America). It’s not like Mexicans weren’t leaving Mexico before him. The US and NAFTA (so called Free Trade) are to blame as well.
• NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized US corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of US corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%.
• NAFTA’s service-sector rules allowed big firms like Wal-Mart to enter the Mexican market and, selling low-priced goods made by ultra-cheap labor in China, to displace locally-based shoe, toy, and candy firms. An estimated 28,000 small and medium-sized Mexican businesses have been eliminated.
• Wages along the Mexican border have actually been driven down by about 25% since NAFTA, reported a Carnegie Endowment study. An over-supply of workers, combined with the crushing of union organizing drives as government policy, has resulted in sweatshop pay running sweatshops along the border where wages typically run 60 cents to $1 an hour.
There were 2.5 million Mexican illegals in 1995; 8 million have crossed the border since then. In 2005, some 400 desperate Mexicans died trying to enter the US.
The above four paragraphs were taken from an article which you can read in its entirety here
As for the numbers you provided regarding tax, I’m going to have to research that more in depth before I make any further comments.
BTW, I appreciate your maturity and behavior in this thread. All too often senseless bickering and name calling take place in these types of threads.
• NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized US corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of US corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%.
• NAFTA’s service-sector rules allowed big firms like Wal-Mart to enter the Mexican market and, selling low-priced goods made by ultra-cheap labor in China, to displace locally-based shoe, toy, and candy firms. An estimated 28,000 small and medium-sized Mexican businesses have been eliminated.
• Wages along the Mexican border have actually been driven down by about 25% since NAFTA, reported a Carnegie Endowment study. An over-supply of workers, combined with the crushing of union organizing drives as government policy, has resulted in sweatshop pay running sweatshops along the border where wages typically run 60 cents to $1 an hour.
There were 2.5 million Mexican illegals in 1995; 8 million have crossed the border since then. In 2005, some 400 desperate Mexicans died trying to enter the US.
The above four paragraphs were taken from an article which you can read in its entirety here
As for the numbers you provided regarding tax, I’m going to have to research that more in depth before I make any further comments.
BTW, I appreciate your maturity and behavior in this thread. All too often senseless bickering and name calling take place in these types of threads.
I have no idea what point you are making ,r what info you are looking for.
but....corporations go to mexico beacuse there are no labor laws.
You cannot blame the corporations for what people are WILLING to work for. Mexicans are not FORCED to work. In fact blame the mexican government for not protecting its people with labor laws like we have in the USA.
And for that matter the illegals create the low wages themselves. If they were legal they could sue employers for breaking labor laws. They put themselves at a disadvantage by being illegal.
but....corporations go to mexico beacuse there are no labor laws.
You cannot blame the corporations for what people are WILLING to work for. Mexicans are not FORCED to work. In fact blame the mexican government for not protecting its people with labor laws like we have in the USA.
And for that matter the illegals create the low wages themselves. If they were legal they could sue employers for breaking labor laws. They put themselves at a disadvantage by being illegal.
Exactly. If an American citizen were to work in the fields picking fruit you know for damn sure he's gonna try and get paid over minimum wage because that is hard manual labor. Illegals get hired because it's cheap labor plain and simple. You shouldn't blame the illegals though cuz they're out just trying to get a piece of the pie like everyone else in this country.Also, illegals can't ask for higher wages because they aren't citizens so they have no control over that. The people who are to blame are the ones who run the business because they are giving less job opportunities to American citizens. They screw both sides at the same time by having low wages for illegals and not providing jobs for Americans with fair wages. It's really the businesses fucking everyone over if you think about it
I wasn't making any point, I was simply asking you a couple of questions...Yes I can blame American Corporations, they are socially irresponsible and manipulative. They are deliberately avoiding paying fair wages and US law, by exploiting the poor, that's BS. That's why I don't support Wal-Mart, support Costco and Target people. But I agree with you, you support what I stated earlier, the Mexican Gov't is corrupt I'm sure they get a nice piece of change for allowing American Corps to enter and exploit their poor.
206, I'm not the type to call names and bicker lol, I just wanted to throw out some data solely for discussion purposes. I'm fully aware of NAFTA and the FTAA, capitalism at it's finest I mean shouldn't there be a limit to how much you can make? As if 10 billion isn't enough...As for corn, I thought they grow Maiz in Mexico, isn't that a different type of corn from the ones Americans grow?
It's totally understandable how illegals want a better life. It's just that without a doubt many (wives) will go to gov't aid funding and that's at the expense of American taxpayers. If you think the tax they take out of your paycheck is a lot, wait (if) til they grant amnesty for the 12 million illegals. I make nearly 2 grand per 2 weeks and I only get to see about $1,300. And I haven't had medical aid in 2 years, too expensive to maintain. If you go back to the chart you can see how many illegals get free medicaid.
Oh yeah regarding Fox, he came into power in mid 2000, look at the jump in total immigrants from 99 to the end of 2000 and since he has been in power.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back1204.html
206, I'm not the type to call names and bicker lol, I just wanted to throw out some data solely for discussion purposes. I'm fully aware of NAFTA and the FTAA, capitalism at it's finest I mean shouldn't there be a limit to how much you can make? As if 10 billion isn't enough...As for corn, I thought they grow Maiz in Mexico, isn't that a different type of corn from the ones Americans grow?
It's totally understandable how illegals want a better life. It's just that without a doubt many (wives) will go to gov't aid funding and that's at the expense of American taxpayers. If you think the tax they take out of your paycheck is a lot, wait (if) til they grant amnesty for the 12 million illegals. I make nearly 2 grand per 2 weeks and I only get to see about $1,300. And I haven't had medical aid in 2 years, too expensive to maintain. If you go back to the chart you can see how many illegals get free medicaid.
Oh yeah regarding Fox, he came into power in mid 2000, look at the jump in total immigrants from 99 to the end of 2000 and since he has been in power.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back1204.html
that's the truth right there.....everyone worry about yourself not what your nieghbor is up to. We're not here to conquor American....we came here to work...bottom line. So all you that fear us.....let it go and live your normal life the way you've been livin it for all these years. Ain't shit changed....open your eyes! It's all love ain't nobody trying to start a revolution over here.
It's a shame the Mexicans can at least rally together and get shit done in numbers when shit hit the fan. Nigs still stuck on that "American Dream" bullshit. I don't give a fuck who's here. They wouldn't be here if the gov't didn't think they could CAPITALIZE. This fued goes back to slavery, and now, it's about the mexican economy moving up and this shit declining. The dollar is worth what compared to the pound and the euro? The mexicans are taking they shit back. I hear black folks bitchin bout it. There was a time blacks were being freed in a place now called Texas. If nigs had sense, they would shut the fuck up and let this shit play all the way out...But if you feel like this is YOUR country and you identify with this system rock out. Ride for your shit. There are portions of the 15th Amendment that are going to expire at the end of this year, and your concerned with this shit? Opportunity you never had is being taken from you because big business America said so. It's funny how the media makes out that America is so united. As soon as this is over, it will be back to business as usual.