Religion - the Bible – God – Life

[Merciedez]

Great written words with great history and even greater stories.

I found “those” subjects in my library amongst a multitude of other fine written literatures. At this point in time the internet - educational references/tools - news paraphernalia – daily conversations –social awareness’s –global affairs - and use of technological communication systems have depleted the factual value of the many subjects that have been written. Books are written by past/present/future individuals or groups which are bias to other written works due to comparisons limitations and misconceptions to “un- or accountable” details, group preferences, “factual” or “false” finding and tangible human emotions towards diversity (good or bad).

Note: Communication varies in languages which differ in styles through country-culture-group progression, their traditions, order (organizations), and understood conceptions (“realities”). You must not forget Earth itself consist of 6.5+billion people of which have thousands of cultures….and with-in those cultures 100,000’s of groupings….which consist of thousands of languages and written communication(s) of all types of understood subjects communicated or written and lets not forget to include individual or group levels of intellectual variations.

When a group who do not identify or delineate the unlimited variation of what has been written, what has been done, and what is believed to be…IS in fact REAL….that groups’ limitation to believe one “ultimate” conception of one “reality” will eventually cause their own demise within the realm of communicative reality.

In our current consciousness of “reality” any type of beliefs will soon clash with it’s opposite to bleed out the ultimate truth.

So in other words….to limit a belief to one …you’ve limited reality ….

 

[Hutch]

There is only one reality (one of my many beliefs, lol). However, we base our reality on our perceptions - the way we interact with the world around us, the way we are naturally hard-wired to think, personal experiences etc. These experiences shape our beliefs, but it's not just beliefs that determine your reality - disbeliefs play an equally important part. Every reality is based around both beliefs and disbeliefs, and the balance is forever changing. Personal development fine tunes your beliefs and disbeliefs until you approach what is to become 'your' reality. Ofcourse, only by understanding and assimilating others beliefs can you hope to become wise. If one chooses not to believe in god, he is not missing out on an integral part of 'reality' for he determines his own reality. Whether it is right or not compared to the beliefs of others is for him and no-one else to decide

It is these clashes of different realities which are essential when communicating effectively regarding reality. If everyone chooses to accept the broadest possible ranges of beliefs, then we could never hope to strive toward a greater understanding of reality. Only by debate can we alter peoples perceptions on what constitutes reality and subsequently increase their wisdom (but only if they choose to listen and attempt to understand others beliefs)

Fact is different from truth. Truth is when the majority of people believe in something, but it may not necessarily be factual. The clashing of beliefs will only result in what we label an 'ultimate truth', but this ultimate truth may be no closer to fact that any other belief which we have chosen to not to believe in.

If you can limit your belief to one, then you have formed your ultimate reality. Whether it is right or not, whether the existence of that reality is a fact, no-one can hope to answer. If you claim to know whats real, then you are wrong. Just try to develop your own reality based on your own beliefs and experiences and, objectively, those of others, and with this you will attain wisdom.

Then again, thats just one of my beliefs...

 

[HERESY]

All roads do NOT lead to Rome.

 

[FunK-3-FivE]

But.. what you perceive isn't a product of outside things but a product of your own mind, since your mind is what shows you what is KNOWN and of course what is PERCEIVED is what is KNOWN (or believed). What you PERCEIVE is CHOICE(consciously or subconsciously), and since you can only KNOW (or believe) what has been perceived.. then you have control over how you view the world. It's a product of your own SELF not outside things. Recognizing this is a step to recognizing that REALITY is how you PERCEIVE it, it's in your control, therefor being close-minded towards how others perceive the reality is only limiting your own perception (and thus your reality is limited as well).

 

[Hutch]

Exactly. You do have to be open minded as to how others view reality, but there's no reason you should agree with them. Rejecting their beliefs does not make you any further away from reality as does accepting their beliefs. Reality IS a product of self - as I stated before, we each have different realities based on our own personal experiences.

therefor being close-minded towards how others perceive the reality is only limiting your own perception (and thus your reality is limited as well).

I agree. For example, I am an athiest. I do not believe in God or anything to do with religion. However, several people from christian, catholic, buddhist and muslim religions have expressed their views on 'who god is' and what is the 'ultimate truth'. I believe none of them, however I understand why they might make such conclusions and this, although 'limiting my beliefs', has only strengthened my own reality. It has given me a broader range of choices regarding religion, and rejecting all but one does not diminish my grip on reality, in fact it does the opposite.

 

[HERESY]

I agree. For example, I am an athiest. I do not believe in God or anything to do with religion.

I need you to clarify for me. When you say you do not believe in God etc are you saying you don't believe in God/have fath in God/adhere to a doctrine or dogma that promotes God? OR are you saying you do not believe God EXISTS?

 

[EDJ]

HUTCH,
YOU STRESSED, "Fact is different from truth."

HOW'S THAT? A FACT IS A TRUTH.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Truth is when the majority of people believe in something, but it may not necessarily be factual."

WTF? gET YOUR FACTS STRAIgHT.LOL TRUTH AND PERCEPTION ARE TWO DIFFERENT THANgS. EVERYTHANg THAT IS PERCEIVED IS NOT TRUE. BUT TRUTH CAN FIT INTO WHAT SOMEBODY PERCEIVES.

MERCEDIEZ,
I KNOW SOME LUCCY MAN HAS A QUEEN WITH A gOOD HEAD ON HER SHOULDERS. EVERY TIME YOU POST YOU HAVE FOOD FOR THOUgHT.

 

[Hutch]

Firstly: All of the above - I do not believe in God, I have no faith in God, I do not adhere to any doctrine or dogma that promotes God and the reason is that I do not believe God exists.

Secondly: Truth is not always the same as fact, and by that same reasoning truth is not necessarily factual. When enough people perceive the same thing, then it becomes a truth. Truth can therefore fit into what someone perceives - if enough people perceive it. Two hundred years ago, when someone stood up and suggested that the world was flat, everyone would say that person were telling the truth. But the world is not flat, so in this case 'truth' is not a fact. Facts require irrefutible proofs, truths do not. Sure, truth and fact do often overlap, but to say that they are the same thing is technically wrong.

 

[EDJ]

^FACT IS,
YOU SPEAKIN' OF PERCEPTION. SOMETHIN' THAT IS TRUE IS NOT FALSE. PEOPLE CAN PERCEIVE SAMETHIN' AS A FACT, BUT THE TRUTH WILL EVENTUALLY COME OUT IF IT INDDEED IS FALSE. YOU TRYIN' TO TWIST THE SHIT TO FIT YOUR BELIEFS.