Religion? Spirituality? Science? My take

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Hemp

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upon leavin islam a year and a half ago, i have been tryin to piece the puzzle to the true way of life.
for those of you with a strong connection to your beliefs might want to stop reading because this will only anger you, or crack you the fuck up.
now again this is what i THINK is goin on, some data i double checked with google and quoted the site for help.
so if you find anything wrong, it will only help if you update me.
so over the past 2 years, ive been lead certain directions and have had certain thoughts come up that had me tryin to piece as much of the puzzle together.

first we will start with religion.

for all you non-muslims out there, tell me what do you think the chance is of a muslim to find and convert to your religion in a time like this, where these strong believers are blowing themselves up in the name of God? hmm, some will for sure.

but there will at least be 50% who in no way will ever think of leaving islam based on what they were taught and the way they were taught.(i used to be one)

check this:

"JEFFREY BROWN: Abdul Rahman was born a Muslim, but may die for becoming a Christian. The 41-year-old Afghan faces a death sentence for converting to Christianity. His conversion came in 1990 when he lived in Germany, but it was only revealed recently during a custody battle in Afghanistan."

i was a muslim once, and i was 100% positive i was following the correct path. no way i would have ever blasphemed.(until synchronicities took place daily, and woke me up)

ok so lets look at those 50%, why would God create those people in such a vulnerable position with such a vulnerable mind, but not you? sounds a little unfair to me.
and not only is there no chance for them to survive but they will burn in hell for eternity for it.


similar question goes to muslims.

with the way the media portrays the FALSE islam that you know you dont follow, what is the % of non-muslims that you think will convert to islam?

i know some, but there will always be that margin because of the minds weaknesses such as fear and illusion.


pay attention to how muslim shiekhs and christian priests live their lives working hard for their religion.

one of them must be wrong right?

that alone proves the weakness of the mind.


so whats the explanation to all the miracles and magic that happens?

all of that is caused in your mind, by your mind.

i dont really know if its the faith, awareness, belief, or all three that do the trick, but it is the same thing that also spices up spiritual, wiccans, etc.'s lives.


for those of you athiests/scientists who worship science, in this reality everything will have a "logical" explanation.
imagine just being eyes and watching everything with no judgement/knowledge.
if you watch a human "decide" to move his hand, you will say "the human didnt move the hand, the muscle stretched."

you can always go deeper but will only keep leading to a "realistic" answer.

of course its not always consciousness to be the cause, but the little example i gave above proves that its not always limited.

also, remember that realities are in the minds/consciousnesses and the first and worst thing that will stop a mind from doing anything is the mind itself.

being a nonbeliever will surely keep you that way.



so is there a God? of course. I mean look around you .

how would a plant know that if it grows thorns, it will scare off animals who fear the thorns ONLY because of their consciousness which is closer to ours than a plants.

or how would the tree know to grow the little helicopter leaves wherever there lays a seed, so the seed can float away far from the tree to grow and do the same?

its not evolution because without what we call a mind, then the plant isnt supposed to know "this way didnt work"

i mean the plant wont even know how got killed.

meaning the most single/pure and uneffected smallest thing which is energy, IS where the consciousness lays.


you are part of God, and your consciousness would probably be the closest thing to what/how he is.

all you really are is the consciousness, so what is our consciousness made up of?


"The brain is an electrically powered and electricity-generating organ. Composed of an estimated one hundred billion neurons, each neuron produces and transmits electrical impulses which travel from the cell body down long fibers called axons until they reach a junction, or synapse, with another neuron. At the junction point the electrical impulses fire chemical messengers, called neurotransmitters, across the synaptic gap to receptors on the next cell. Having received the message, that neuron then generates its own electrical impulse and sends it to other neurons to which it is connected. Each neuron can be connected to thousands of other neurons, each simultaneously sending and receiving impulses to and from thousands of other neurons--so one neuron can electrically alter millions of other neurons."

"Scientists have recorded the "hum" of neurons communicating."

"Llin�s: When we are asleep most neurons oscillate at a very slow rhythm. That's how cells control consciousness -- by voltage, by becoming electrically inactive or active. If you take a drug, if you fall asleep, if you get hit in the head, the brain does not generate the functional state that is you. The you disappears."

so that thing that you are 100% positive is real and 100% positive is awake/aware/existant is only what is carried by or a part of electricty.

which i believe would also be or be similar to the smallest "energy" that contains the consciousness of God.


right now we are swimming in a magnetic field, and even if this magnetic field is weaker than a fridge magnet, it will still affect electricty.

i believe that according to the law of attraction, this would be how psychics/mind readers/ remote viewers do their thing.

this is also how i believe out of body experiences can happen.


and now read this according to nasa:

"The Sun's magnetic poles will remain as they are now, with the north magnetic pole pointing through the Sun's southern hemisphere, until the year 2012 when they will reverse again. This transition happens, as far as we know, at the peak of every 11-year sunspot cycle -- like clockwork.

Earths magnetic field also flips, but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740, 000 years ago. SOME RESEARCHERS THINK OUR PLANET IS OVERDUE FOR ANOTHER ONE, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur. "


even tho they dont say when earths next one will be, we know its overdue and bound to happen.

so the 12-21-12 magnetic shift where according to the new agers the human consciousness will shift is very likely.


Friday, 10 February 2006 www.polereversal.com:

The Chandler wobble was first discovered back in 1891 by Seth Carlo Chandler an American astronomer. The effect causes the Earth's poles to move in an irregular circle of 3 to 15 metres in diameter in an oscillation. The Earth's Wobble has a 7 year cycle which produces two extremes, a small spiraling wobble circle and a large spiraling wobble circle, about 3.5 years apart. The Earth was in October 2005 moving into the small spiraling circle (the MIN phase of the wobble), which should have slowly unfolded during 2006 and the first few months of 2007. (Each spiraling circle takes about 14 months). But suddenly at the beginning of November 2005, the track of the location of the spin axis veered at a very sharp right angle to its circling motion.

The track of the spin axis began to slow down and by about January 8, 2006, it ceased nearly all relative motion on the x and y coordinates which are used to define the daily changing location of the spin axis.

One interesting implication is the likely increase in tectonic activity which may follow during the next 20 years or so. The last major anomaly in the MIN phase of the X WAVE was during 1936, which induced a major phase shift and sharp change in direction of the drift of the pole. Following that anomaly, the frequency of 7.0 plus quakes nearly doubled from some 18 per year to over 30 per year. The year following the anomaly saw many major increases in volcanism. We are likely headed towards a similar 20 year season of increase in tectonic activity, beginning with a major increase in volcanism during 2006-08 and the occurrence of more 7.0 plus quakes, even as many three per month for many years afterwards


November 2003 bbc:

The Sun has unleashed its largest recorded solar flare, capping 10 days of unprecedented activity for the star.

The blast sent billions of tonnes of superhot gas into space - some of it directed towards our planet.

Scientists say the Sun's current spate of activity has produced the most dramatic events seen on the solar surface since regular monitoring began.

Nevertheless, our planet's magnetic sheath may still be hit by clouds of charged particles in the next 24 or 48 hours and could give rise to geomagnetic storms.

now this horrible weather would probably be the best scenery for the end of the world for you religion followers, but that is how the earth REALLY cleans and restores itself.

isnt it weird how the earth will be going through a cleansing mode just around the time our consciousness shifts?
or that the sun will join?

of course you can go and find physical reasons for the changes, but that will only keep sending you to a deeper physical reason and as i pointed out, its not always just physical and obvious.

synchronicities are real, a little too real when u strongly believe in them.

a very good example of one of the many would be:

i was chillin at my uncles in london and we were talking this generation. he goes "you guys are lucky in this generation" i replied "not if another hitler comes along, it will be the worst generation".
Around 4 hours later we were inside and they were watching a documentary of somethin on "al-jazeera".
i got off the computer to grab the popcorn and i saw the documentary was about the nazis and their war.
Then later that night when i went back to the house i stayed at, i grabbed one of the 9 old readers digest that my aunt gave me from lebanon, flipped through the pages and at the page i stopped at my eye landed right on the word "Nazis".
i guess the article was about the war between the nazis and their enemies.

really good synchronicities like this happen around every 3 days, and small but obvious ones happen daily.
its more than coincidence. and that is especially visible to the observer.

so for all of you one way or else belief system pay attention to how convinced i am of this...
just as the athiest is convinced of his stance, and as you of yours.
now if there really was only one way, the mind shouldnt have been created this weak and vulnerable.
and for those of you born into a religion, pay attention to how there are many of you in many each religion.
according to you , ALL EXCEPT ONE ARE FALSE. meaning, not only is the possibility of being born into an incorrect religion there, but also the PROBABILITY that you will be born into a wrong one is also there.

again, whatever you find abnormal or incorrect , or if you want to add on to any part of this , i would like you to point it out so i can continue updating my theories according to the complexity of Nature.

take care all.

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also read this about The God Code if you dont know about it:

A remarkable discovery linking the biblical alphabets of Hebrew and Arabic to modern chemistry reveals that a lost codea translatable alphabetand a clue to the mystery of our origins has lived within us all along. Applying this discovery to the language of lifethe familiar elements of hydrogen, nitrogen oxygen and carbon that form our DNAmay now be replaced with key letters of the ancient languages. In doing so, the code of all life is transformed into the words of a timeless message. Translated, the message reveals that the precise letters of Gods ancient name are encoded as the genetic information in every cell, of every life.

The first portion of the message reads: "God/Eternal within the body." The meaning: Humankind is one family, united through a common heritage, and the result of an intentional act of creation!

Preserved within each cell of the estimated 6 billion inhabitants of our world, the message is repeated, again and again, to form the building blocks of our existence. This ancient message from the day of our originsthe same messageremains within each of us today, regardless of race, religion, heritage, lifestyle or belief.
 

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no shoowilla, i was a sunni muslim, my dad would have killed me if i asked him to become a sufi.
im more similar to you than you think i am ;-)
 

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o i have never read about or looked into sufism.
but im sure you know about the walees, the pious muslims show paranormal feats.
now compare their minds to a yogis mind.
i used this example because when i asked my dad about it he goes "oh the pious muslim got his power from God, but the yogi from the devil, even if he doesnt know it"

that was basically one of the last straws
 

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Some of your statements still involve a lot of speculation Hemp.

For instance, roses didn't deliberately and consciously grow thorns to scare off predators - it happened by chance. Those that didn't grow thorns perished, whereas those which produced a semblance of thorns were able to decrease the prevalence of predatorial attack. The larger they grew, the more they detered predators and the greater their survival rate, thus resulting in a higher ratio of 'roses with thorns' compared to 'roses without thorns'. Over time, those roses which failed to produce thorns were wiped out by predators and we are left with thorny roses instead.

I believe that the perceived synchronisities in your life are mere coincidences. What if you and your uncle were talking about marble cheesecake? There's a good chance that you'd be skimming through a magazine and see a recipe for a marble cheesecake and, whilst flipping channels on your cable, come across some guy making marble cheesecake on the food channel. Mere coincidence. There are so many documentaries involving the Nazis and world war 2 (I see several a day on the history channel) and there is bound to be some article involving hitler or his minions in 9 readers digests...

But as you alluded to, it's up to everyone to decide what they are to believe in. If everyone believes in a different monotheistic God, then someone has to be wrong although no-one would make any concessions as to who this really is (they keep saying 'my God is the only true God', but they only speak propaganda). Keep developing your mind Hemp, everyone must create their own reality - if you blindly believe what some higher authority tells you without consulting your reason, then you are truly lost.
 
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Hemp said:
o i have never read about or looked into sufism.
but im sure you know about the walees, the pious muslims show paranormal feats.
now compare their minds to a yogis mind.
i used this example because when i asked my dad about it he goes "oh the pious muslim got his power from God, but the yogi from the devil, even if he doesnt know it"

that was basically one of the last straws
What you just said right there is Sufism. The sufis like to place themselves under the "sunni" umbrella, but in reality the majority of them are out of the fold of islam. Sufis go around calling themselves or others wali's, the way you talked about a wali, is the way the sufi's define it, read this http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?QR=83038&ln=eng
 

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Hutch said:
Some of your statements still involve a lot of speculation Hemp.

For instance, roses didn't deliberately and consciously grow thorns to scare off predators - it happened by chance. Those that didn't grow thorns perished, whereas those which produced a semblance of thorns were able to decrease the prevalence of predatorial attack. The larger they grew, the more they detered predators and the greater their survival rate, thus resulting in a higher ratio of 'roses with thorns' compared to 'roses without thorns'. Over time, those roses which failed to produce thorns were wiped out by predators and we are left with thorny roses instead.
most of my statements are speculations, but ones that make alot more sense to me than everything else i have come across.
i understand what you mean tho, but i cant understand how by "chance" or random can be a level up.
some say chance is basically trial and error for the species, but how will it know what to update? or why to upgrade?
like why wouldnt the roses without thorns do the same and grow thorns?

the "consciousness" i was reffering to can be displayed in some plants but not all.
but who knows how a plants consciousness would be or its top priority. but that is just another mystery to life.
so i dont really know about the thorns anymore. thanks for pointing that out.

Hutch said:
I believe that the perceived synchronisities in your life are mere coincidences. What if you and your uncle were talking about marble cheesecake? There's a good chance that you'd be skimming through a magazine and see a recipe for a marble cheesecake and, whilst flipping channels on your cable, come across some guy making marble cheesecake on the food channel. Mere coincidence. There are so many documentaries involving the Nazis and world war 2 (I see several a day on the history channel) and there is bound to be some article involving hitler or his minions in 9 readers digests...
if i were to never ever think or notice marble cheesecake, then it shows up in 3 different places in the same day, id look at that as more than just a coincidence.

i never bring up hitler in my conversations or thoughts EVER.
the history channel is for sure a place to find documentaries about the nazis, but not al-jazeera.
i never watch al-jazeera, whenever i come across it, its topics would be either about the worlds situation or islam.
and about the readers digest, i have read over 25 and only one had a nazi story.
so for me to randomly pick a readers digest out of 9 new ones that i have never seen before, and skim through it right to the word "Nazi" on the same day "Nazi" appeared twice, i would take more than just a coincidence. unless like random, coincidence is also too perfect.
so for all three to come up in the same night i believe is more than random.
also , remember that i said synchronicities can really only be judged by the experiencer.
of course it could be random, but before i was a believer i never came across it in my life.
maybe once or twice, and THAT is what i would label as random.
not when a new "strong" synchroncity or "coincidence" occurs every 3 days or so, and little weak ones daily.

Hutch said:
But as you alluded to, it's up to everyone to decide what they are to believe in. If everyone believes in a different monotheistic God, then someone has to be wrong although no-one would make any concessions as to who this really is (they keep saying 'my God is the only true God', but they only speak propaganda). Keep developing your mind Hemp, everyone must create their own reality - if you blindly believe what some higher authority tells you without consulting your reason, then you are truly lost.

you are absolutely correct, and not only does someone have to be right, but the rest are wrong.
so chance is not on the peoples side.
and yes, blindly following something out of fear and also fearing to look into it is a closed loop in itself.

thanks for fillin me in on the thorns and for contributing to this topic.
 

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shoowilla said:
What you just said right there is Sufism. The sufis like to place themselves under the "sunni" umbrella, but in reality the majority of them are out of the fold of islam. Sufis go around calling themselves or others wali's, the way you talked about a wali, is the way the sufi's define it, read this http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?QR=83038&ln=eng

ok , your site says
"This verse states that the wali (close friend) of Allaah is the pious believer who fears Allaah, who loves Allaah and supports His Religion, and seeks to please Him, who adheres to the limits He has set and supports His law and His religion. He is one of the slaves of Allaah, and is not beyond His control and authority, rather he does not even have the power to benefit or harm himself, and he does not know what Allaah has decreed for him. This is the wali of Allaah according to Ahl al-Sunnah. "

Hemp said:
but im sure you know about the walees, the pious muslims show paranormal feats.
now compare their minds to a yogis mind.
this is the walee that im talking about. ive met him , heard about him, and i know he is NOT a sufi.
he doesnt show off his powers, but people are always around him, so when something "paranormal" does happen, it gets talked about.

also :
"Among them the wali of Allaah is one who has been chosen by Allaah, even if he does not have the characteristics of righteousness and piety that qualify him to be loved by Allaah. The status of wali, in their view, is a kind of divine gift that is given for no reason and with no wisdom. Hence they believe that some wrongdoers, evildoers, insane and immoral people etc are awliya’ simply because they perform extraordinary feats, such as hitting their bodies with knives, playing with snakes and fire, and so on. "

i wasnt talking about feats like hitting bodies with knives n shit, i was talkin about saying a prayer to God sayin somethin like "oh allah the plants and animals are thirsty" "god is the greatest" blah blah blah, then it starts to rain.
or another one was having a friend sleep over a walees house in a different room with all the other people, then in complete darkness the names of the prophets wives began to glow on the walls. each size about 5 inches long.
and the guy asked his friend who was with him if he also sees them and they both saw the same thing.

not no playing with snakes on fire n shit.
thats called mind over matter.
you need to understand that i wasnt born here and i wasnt under heavy "western" influence.
im just like you, only i questioned what i was told, because the logic about religion didnt add up to me. (explained in first topic)

but ok, lets say you have never met a sunni walee who had powers, i have. and by comparing the pious muslim walee who gives up his life and soul to worship the creator, with the yogi who has love for the Source and is in peace and harmony with nature, you will see the comparison in them, as with the "ascended" masters that werent muslims.

they are all really doing the same thing, just in a different way.
 
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you misunderstood the link, apparently stuff goes right by you. A wali is singular to awliya, awliya are simply the pious. NO SPECIAL POWERS! this aint the power rangers. All this high level crap is SUFI thought. The only people who go around calling themselves wali are sufis. A person who calls himseld is a Sunni Wali is in reality a Sufi. Anyways, forget about me because i really dont feel like going back and forth, if you dont even understand what your talking about.
 

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yes, a walee is simply pious.
he doesnt claim to be a walee, he just teaches islam and spends all day spreading sunni islamic knowledge. that is the guy im talking about.
but also, very rarely, abnormal things happen around him.

but you are right. who really know? there are like 1000 sects of islam, just as there is more than one sect of sunni.

but you still argue that i wasnt sunni, when really, that doesnt even matter.
if you want to convince me that i am wrong about RELIGION, then reply to what i stated in my first topic.
 
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Hemp said:
some say chance is basically trial and error for the species, but how will it know what to update? or why to upgrade?
like why wouldnt the roses without thorns do the same and grow thorns?
topic.
Roses are unable to grow thorns if it is not contained in their genetic blueprint. Evolution causes genetic mutations which result in a change in phenotype, i.e. a mutation in a stem gene may result in the growth of sharp, bony protrusions on the plant stems (thorns). The plant's don't have a say, it's all 'chance', but that chance is guided by the natural environment and prevailing conditions surrounding them.

The most simplified definition of natural selection is that nature selects those animals which are fittest. By fittest, I mean those best adapted to cope with the environment in which they find themselves. Picture a fish which finds itself in cold arctic waters - most fish aren't adapted to tolerate such cold conditions, but some produce a sort of 'anti-freeze' which enables them to live in these cold waters. If 1000 fish venture into these cold waters and two undergo spontaneous mutations which enable them to produce a crude anti-freeze, then they will live and procreate. The other 998 will die and thus their 'gene-pool' will be omitted from the species. In this way, nature kills all those animals which are least able to cope with conditions. It has nothing to do with any conscious decisions made by the animal, it's purely nature in it's most brutal form. The phrase 'Adapt or die' sums it up quite nicely.
 
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I think once people stop asking themselves...

"why am I here?"
"who put me here?"

until...you stop asking yourself those questions..
you will NOT truely live in piece..

becuase you will never find the "REAL" answer..
and that brings the unhappiness..

I was raised a Penticostle Christian...by my mother and father..
and Once i got married I joined a Nazarene Church...cause the i realized how much of a "circus" Penticostle churchs were..

I stay at the Nazarene Church for about 3 years....during most of that time I realized how unhappy...some of the "rules of christianity" made me....


So 3 years ago or so...I made a desicion to totally cut out Church and little by little the whole belief of a "GOD".....and especially a SAVIOR..
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Why are you here? Cause your parent busted some good nuts..and made you..

Whats your purpose? depends on your situation..

my 2 cents..

5000
 

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Hutch said:
Roses are unable to grow thorns if it is not contained in their genetic blueprint. Evolution causes genetic mutations which result in a change in phenotype, i.e. a mutation in a stem gene may result in the growth of sharp, bony protrusions on the plant stems (thorns). The plant's don't have a say, it's all 'chance', but that chance is guided by the natural environment and prevailing conditions surrounding them.

The most simplified definition of natural selection is that nature selects those animals which are fittest. By fittest, I mean those best adapted to cope with the environment in which they find themselves. Picture a fish which finds itself in cold arctic waters - most fish aren't adapted to tolerate such cold conditions, but some produce a sort of 'anti-freeze' which enables them to live in these cold waters. If 1000 fish venture into these cold waters and two undergo spontaneous mutations which enable them to produce a crude anti-freeze, then they will live and procreate. The other 998 will die and thus their 'gene-pool' will be omitted from the species. In this way, nature kills all those animals which are least able to cope with conditions. It has nothing to do with any conscious decisions made by the animal, it's purely nature in it's most brutal form. The phrase 'Adapt or die' sums it up quite nicely.
yes you are right, but just as the example i have given with a person making a CONSCIOUS decision to do something, even tho looking at it from a physical point of view it can be explained logically.
thanks for being one of the very few (as i expected) to contribute to this thread.
take care
 

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JLMACN said:
I think once people stop asking themselves...

"why am I here?"
"who put me here?"

until...you stop asking yourself those questions..
you will NOT truely live in piece..

becuase you will never find the "REAL" answer..
and that brings the unhappiness..

I was raised a Penticostle Christian...by my mother and father..
and Once i got married I joined a Nazarene Church...cause the i realized how much of a "circus" Penticostle churchs were..

I stay at the Nazarene Church for about 3 years....during most of that time I realized how unhappy...some of the "rules of christianity" made me....


So 3 years ago or so...I made a desicion to totally cut out Church and little by little the whole belief of a "GOD".....and especially a SAVIOR..
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Why are you here? Cause your parent busted some good nuts..and made you..

Whats your purpose? depends on your situation..

my 2 cents..

5000
of course we will never know all of the answers, but this thread wasnt made to explain the truth about everything, it was made to explain the bullshit about everybodys belief, including my 2 cents.
thanks for contributing.
 
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Hemp said:
yes you are right, but just as the example i have given with a person making a CONSCIOUS decision to do something, even tho looking at it from a physical point of view it can be explained logically.
The development of the human mind is as a result of evolution, so many of the things we do consciously has a firm evolutionary basis. Not all of it though. For instance, when guys see a gorgeous woman, we immediately want to screw her, whereas we wouldn't care to screw an ugly woman. Evolutionarily speaking, the beautiful woman is not only healthier and more virile, but your offspring would be more likely to be healthy and more attractive to the opposite sex, so it pays (evolutionarily speaking) to have sex with her.

However, several of the things we choose to do make no sense evolutionarily - such as homosexuality. I've nothing against it, don't abuse me of gay bashing, but it makes no sense. 10,000 years ago, if there were a 'gene' for homosexuality, then it should have ceased to exist a long time ago. Because these men/women don't find the opposite sex attractive (and thus don't have any offspring), the gene should have died out with the individuals yet here we are with homosexuality more prevalent than ever before.
 
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so this thread is all about how people should stop believing in a "God"?

i think religion is very important be it false or not. it gives people a sense of hope to do good in life to get to "heaven", the jihadis that suicide like they do arent really following their religion because they have been taught a very incorrect practice..if they indeed research into islam they will find out that dying like they are isnt going to "get them a automatic ticket to their heaven"

im a roman catholic but I dont go to church. My Religion states that God is everywhere, so why would we have to go visit him in a building that was built by human beings when he is all around us?

^is that the kind of stuff ur talking about hemp?
 

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Hutch said:
The development of the human mind is as a result of evolution, so many of the things we do consciously has a firm evolutionary basis. Not all of it though. For instance, when guys see a gorgeous woman, we immediately want to screw her, whereas we wouldn't care to screw an ugly woman. Evolutionarily speaking, the beautiful woman is not only healthier and more virile, but your offspring would be more likely to be healthy and more attractive to the opposite sex, so it pays (evolutionarily speaking) to have sex with her.

However, several of the things we choose to do make no sense evolutionarily - such as homosexuality. I've nothing against it, don't abuse me of gay bashing, but it makes no sense. 10,000 years ago, if there were a 'gene' for homosexuality, then it should have ceased to exist a long time ago. Because these men/women don't find the opposite sex attractive (and thus don't have any offspring), the gene should have died out with the individuals yet here we are with homosexuality more prevalent than ever before.

yes , lots of thing about the mind are evolutionary, but not just simply raising your hand in the air to prove you can make a conscious decision to do so.
that can be looked at "logically" from a physical point of view, but just as everything else in this physical dimension could.
would it mean that because its explained logically that it doesnt have a conscious thought behind it? nope
 

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Da Furl said:
so this thread is all about how people should stop believing in a "God"?

i think religion is very important be it false or not. it gives people a sense of hope to do good in life to get to "heaven", the jihadis that suicide like they do arent really following their religion because they have been taught a very incorrect practice..if they indeed research into islam they will find out that dying like they are isnt going to "get them a automatic ticket to their heaven"

im a roman catholic but I dont go to church. My Religion states that God is everywhere, so why would we have to go visit him in a building that was built by human beings when he is all around us?

^is that the kind of stuff ur talking about hemp?
sorta, i wasnt goin after God, but after religion, which is a huge cause of the worlds ever existing problems.
but about those muslim "jihads", yeah man those people arent even doing it right.
all they are really doing is committing suicide, because blowing yourself up to kill other people would only mean that you died first...

but the world is full of ignorance and it needs a big wash down, which it will get.
 
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Hemp said:
yes , lots of thing about the mind are evolutionary, but not just simply raising your hand in the air to prove you can make a conscious decision to do so.
that can be looked at "logically" from a physical point of view, but just as everything else in this physical dimension could.
would it mean that because its explained logically that it doesnt have a conscious thought behind it? nope
Not everything we humans choose to do is dictated by evolution, definitely not. Raising your hand in the air for no apparent reason is actually counter to logic, it expends energy for no return, I know what you mean though.

Most logical actions do have conscious thoughts behind them. It is logical to run from a bear if it wants to bite your face off. Choosing to run is a conscious decision and it will also aid your 'species'. Obviously, if no-one ran from bears, then as a species us humans wouldn't exist right now! The most brilliant evolutionary adaptation in the history of the world is the human mind and it's inherent consciousness, it definitely gets the gold medal for 'excellence in evolution'.