I'll say right off I don't claim anything, but I have respect for Norteños because they show a lot of respect back and will do anything to see their friends and family make positive steps in life while holding back the southerners that just want to be nobodies. I've seen a lot first hand, but there's no way anybody "real" will say much online cause it's just a paper trail. But to be "real" no matter what you claim, as far as I'm concerned, you should be born into it. No joining up later just to fit in somewhere. At that point you become a pawn for the real Norteños....you may be down, and that's cool, but to me it doesn't mean "real," just my non-claiming white opinion.