RAIDERS SCREWED BY REFS AGAIN WHEN WILL THEY BE FAIR WITH US?
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WELL THERES SOME GAMES THAT ARE COMING UP THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO WIN
9/11
vs SDL 0-27 9/17
at BALL 6-28 9/24BYE WEEK10/1
vs CLEL 21-2410/8
at SFL 20-3410/15
at DENL 3-1310/22
vs ARIW 22-910/29
vs PITW 20-1311/6
at SEAL 0-1611/12
vs DEN1:05 pm*11/19
at KC10:00 am*11/26
at SD1:05 pm*12/3
vs HOU1:05 pm*12/10
at CIN10:00 am*12/17
vs STL1:15 pm*12/23
vs KC5:00 pm12/31
at NYJ10:00 am*
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Playing Brooks gives us a chance to win because of his experience. If Walter's isn't throwing picks he's fumbling, holding on the ball too long and taking sacks or over/under throwing receivers. To be honest I am tired of seeing Walter's play. He's boring to watch and he has cost us a few games with his mistakes.
Back at Raiders headquarters in Alameda, Shell rebuked Walter's comments.
"There's freedom of speech," Shell said, "but make sure when you say things that you know what you're talking about and you're accountable also."
Walter was supposed to be in shotgun formation -- which was added to the offense specifically for him after he expressed a preference for it -- on the Raiders' last offensive play, on which he fumbled from under center, sealing their defeat.
Shell said he didn't know why Walter wasn't in the proper formation. He added that the Raiders' playbook is not short of plays after Walter criticized its simplicity.
"We've taken things out of the playbook because of individuals being able to handle certain things," Shell said. "There's a lot of depth in that playbook. This playbook is no different from any other playbook around this league. We do a lot of the same things other people do."
Back at Raiders headquarters in Alameda, Shell rebuked Walter's comments.
"There's freedom of speech," Shell said, "but make sure when you say things that you know what you're talking about and you're accountable also."
Walter was supposed to be in shotgun formation -- which was added to the offense specifically for him after he expressed a preference for it -- on the Raiders' last offensive play, on which he fumbled from under center, sealing their defeat.
Shell said he didn't know why Walter wasn't in the proper formation. He added that the Raiders' playbook is not short of plays after Walter criticized its simplicity.
"We've taken things out of the playbook because of individuals being able to handle certain things," Shell said. "There's a lot of depth in that playbook. This playbook is no different from any other playbook around this league. We do a lot of the same things other people do."
Sadly, Raiders' Moss theorizes on troublesReceiver ties his drops to low happiness level.By Jason Jones / The Sacramento Bee11/14/06 03:53:15
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OAKLAND — Randy Moss says he avoids local media in an attempt to steer clear of controversy. But the Oakland Raiders receiver encountered both Monday.
"One thing that I've done in the last year and half with the Raiders is stay out of the controversy, and I have other players on the team I will leave that up to," Moss said.
Second-year quarterback Andrew Walter took care of that part Sunday when he criticized the offensive scheme after a 17-13 loss to Denver.
But Moss said something to raise Raiders coach Art Shell's ire when asked why he is dropping more passes than usual.
"Maybe because I'm unhappy," Moss said. "All I can say is you put me in a good situation and make me happy man and you'll get good results."
Shell didn't like hearing that.
"That's a problem that he has," Shell said. "You're expected to play; you're paid to play."
Moss spoke at a news conference announcing the Randy Moss Return Man Award, to be given annually to the top collegiate returner. He was Division I-AA's top return man in 1996 when he was at Marshall.
Before the news conference, Moss was cordial. He also backed up his quarterback.
"One thing about Andrew is his upside … [in] how he can lead a team, his competitive nature," Moss said. "One thing I do see in him is how he wants to compete on the field, when we're doing good, when we're doing bad. And if our quarterback speaks out, then that's our quarterback."
The Raiders are last in the league in total offense (229.7 yards per game), passing (131.1 yards per game) and scoring (11.7 points per game).
"That's one thing that has bothered me, knowing that we have weapons to go out there and stretch the field, such as myself, but we're not getting it done," Moss said. "I don't know if you put that on the players' shoulders, if you put that on the offensive coordinator's shoulders, but we're 2-7."
Walter on Sunday blamed coordinator Tom Walsh's offense, saying there is not enough "depth" in the playbook.
Shell took exception with that, too, on Monday.
"There's freedom of speech," Shell said, "but make sure when you say things that you know what you're talking about and you're accountable also."
Walter was supposed to be in shotgun formation — which was added to the offense specifically for him after he expressed a preference for it — on the Raiders' last offensive play. He fumbled from under center, sealing the defeat.
"We've taken things out of the playbook because of individuals being able to handle certain things," Shell said. "There's a lot of depth in that playbook. This playbook is no different from any other playbook around this league."
Shell appears ready to make a switch back to Aaron Brooks at quarterback for Sunday's game at Kansas City, though the coach said Walter's comments wouldn't play into the decision.
Brooks began the season as the starter before straining a pectoral muscle in the second game. He said Monday he's ready to play as soon as the coaches give him the go-ahead.
"I'm going to take a hard look at it and see where we are with him," Shell said. "I think he's very close. We'll see how he goes."
On the officiating front, Shell was critical of a game-changing call that favored Denver.
Up 13-7 late in the third quarter, Oakland thought it had recovered a fumbled punt. Oakland's Chris Carr was flagged for running out of bounds on the coverage, nullifying the play.
"I saw it and I felt we got screwed," Shell said. "The rule states you must be allowed to come back in. They didn't let him come back in."
Referee Bill Leavy said field judge Rob Vernatchi ruled Carr was knocked out of bounds, faked coming back in, ran for about 5 yards, and then returned to the field.
"Make every effort to come back 'immediately' is the wording in the book," Leavy said. "And he didn't come back, in that field judge's opinion, immediately."
The Associated Presscontributed to this report.
MOSS REALLY NEEDS TO GO HES FULL OF SHIT ALREADY.TRADE HIM NOW OR DEACTIVATE HIM AND PUT IN PORTER.STOP BEING SO STUPID AL DAVIS AND ART SHELL.FIRE WALSH TOO.
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OAKLAND — Randy Moss says he avoids local media in an attempt to steer clear of controversy. But the Oakland Raiders receiver encountered both Monday.
"One thing that I've done in the last year and half with the Raiders is stay out of the controversy, and I have other players on the team I will leave that up to," Moss said.
Second-year quarterback Andrew Walter took care of that part Sunday when he criticized the offensive scheme after a 17-13 loss to Denver.
But Moss said something to raise Raiders coach Art Shell's ire when asked why he is dropping more passes than usual.
"Maybe because I'm unhappy," Moss said. "All I can say is you put me in a good situation and make me happy man and you'll get good results."
Shell didn't like hearing that.
"That's a problem that he has," Shell said. "You're expected to play; you're paid to play."
Moss spoke at a news conference announcing the Randy Moss Return Man Award, to be given annually to the top collegiate returner. He was Division I-AA's top return man in 1996 when he was at Marshall.
Before the news conference, Moss was cordial. He also backed up his quarterback.
"One thing about Andrew is his upside … [in] how he can lead a team, his competitive nature," Moss said. "One thing I do see in him is how he wants to compete on the field, when we're doing good, when we're doing bad. And if our quarterback speaks out, then that's our quarterback."
The Raiders are last in the league in total offense (229.7 yards per game), passing (131.1 yards per game) and scoring (11.7 points per game).
"That's one thing that has bothered me, knowing that we have weapons to go out there and stretch the field, such as myself, but we're not getting it done," Moss said. "I don't know if you put that on the players' shoulders, if you put that on the offensive coordinator's shoulders, but we're 2-7."
Walter on Sunday blamed coordinator Tom Walsh's offense, saying there is not enough "depth" in the playbook.
Shell took exception with that, too, on Monday.
"There's freedom of speech," Shell said, "but make sure when you say things that you know what you're talking about and you're accountable also."
Walter was supposed to be in shotgun formation — which was added to the offense specifically for him after he expressed a preference for it — on the Raiders' last offensive play. He fumbled from under center, sealing the defeat.
"We've taken things out of the playbook because of individuals being able to handle certain things," Shell said. "There's a lot of depth in that playbook. This playbook is no different from any other playbook around this league."
Shell appears ready to make a switch back to Aaron Brooks at quarterback for Sunday's game at Kansas City, though the coach said Walter's comments wouldn't play into the decision.
Brooks began the season as the starter before straining a pectoral muscle in the second game. He said Monday he's ready to play as soon as the coaches give him the go-ahead.
"I'm going to take a hard look at it and see where we are with him," Shell said. "I think he's very close. We'll see how he goes."
On the officiating front, Shell was critical of a game-changing call that favored Denver.
Up 13-7 late in the third quarter, Oakland thought it had recovered a fumbled punt. Oakland's Chris Carr was flagged for running out of bounds on the coverage, nullifying the play.
"I saw it and I felt we got screwed," Shell said. "The rule states you must be allowed to come back in. They didn't let him come back in."
Referee Bill Leavy said field judge Rob Vernatchi ruled Carr was knocked out of bounds, faked coming back in, ran for about 5 yards, and then returned to the field.
"Make every effort to come back 'immediately' is the wording in the book," Leavy said. "And he didn't come back, in that field judge's opinion, immediately."
The Associated Presscontributed to this report.
MOSS REALLY NEEDS TO GO HES FULL OF SHIT ALREADY.TRADE HIM NOW OR DEACTIVATE HIM AND PUT IN PORTER.STOP BEING SO STUPID AL DAVIS AND ART SHELL.FIRE WALSH TOO.
Get out of here with that bullshit. Jake Plummer ain't got shit on Brooks. So go on with your bullshit. Plummer was throwing hella picks too. How many picks did he throw? Didn't the refs save him one time? If it wasn't for them gay ass bootleg passes to the tight end, Denver wouldn't have won. So you should thank god Walter was playing instead of Brooks. Walter's had a chance to come back at the end of the game but he blew it.
Shell mulls QB switch after Walter critiques offense
By JOSH DUBOW, AP Sports Writer
(Updated Monday, November 13, 2006, 4:40 PM)
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ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) - Art Shell took issue with quarterback Andrew Walter's criticisms of the Oakland Raiders' struggling offense and appears ready to make a switch back to Aaron Brooks.
Walter took shots at coordinator Tom Walsh's offense after Sunday's 17-13 loss to Denver, saying there is not enough "depth" in the playbook, the offense was too predictable, and that the team needed to utilize more quick-developing plays than five- and seven-step drops.
That didn't sit well with Shell, who has fiercely defended Walsh all season long from criticisms that he is out of touch after being away from the NFL for more than a decade.
"You have to be accountable for what you do," Shell said Monday. "To start making statements about what's in and what's not in, then you need to take a hard look at what's there. Obviously, I don't want to get into a contest with a young man but for him to come out and say those things, (that's) totally off-base as far as I'm concerned."
Walter was unavailable for comment Monday, but had plenty to say after Oakland's latest loss.
"We need to make it more complex," Walter said, referring to the Raiders' playbook. "I'd like more swing routes, flat routes, short stuff. There are certain things I'd like to see."
Shell did not respond to criticisms of the offense and coaching staff earlier in the season from receiver Randy Moss, saying everyone can "speak their mind." But the coach wasn't as accepting of the comments from Walter, who is in his second year in the NFL.
"When you speak out, you need to know what you're talking about when you make those statements," Shell said. "You can speak out. I've said that before. Guys are capable of speaking out but when you start going out and you start airing your laundry in public, then you've got to have some accountability for that, too."
Shell said Walter's comments wouldn't play into the decision about who would start at quarterback Sunday at Kansas City, but he appears ready to give the job back to Brooks.
Brooks began the season as the starter before straining a pectoral muscle in the first quarter of the second game. The injury took longer to heal than the Raiders originally thought, giving Walter an extensive opportunity to prove he was ready to be an NFL starter.
Brooks returned to practice two weeks ago and said Monday he's ready to play in games as soon as the coaches give him the go-ahead.
"I'm going to take a hard look at it and see where we are with him," Shell said. "He's been throwing the last couple of weeks. I thought last week he threw the ball a whole lot better. ... I think he's very close. We'll see how he goes."
Brooks, who was just 6-for-14 for 68 yards before getting hurt, said the problems on the NFL's worst offense are more about execution than play calling. Brooks has made 84 starts in his career and said he believed he gives the team a better chance to win than the inexperienced Walter does.
"I think we have a greater chance," Brooks said. "I possess some skills that with my experience gives us a greater chance."
Walter has shown sporadic signs of success, but needs to do much more to overcome a poor offensive line. Walter has completed just 48.1 percent of his passes and thrown only three touchdowns and nine interceptions. He has also lost seven fumbles and been sacked 40 times.
Walter said he has asked for changes in the offense and the coaches have sometimes listened to his suggestions.
Shell said Walsh's offense runs many of the same plays as other teams in the NFL and does not call more deep drops than many other teams. He also said that the players have more say on what plays get called than he has seen in the past.
Shell also was upset about comments made by Moss, who blamed his frequent dropped passes this season on a loss of focus because he's not happy with what's going on around the team.
"My concentration and focus level tends to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood," Moss said. "So all I can say is if you put me in a good situation and make me happy, man, you get good results."
Shell said he "hates" to hear comments like that.
"You're paid to play a game that you've played for many years and that you love and once you hit the field, you compete," Shell said. "That's the way I see it."
AARON BROOKS WILL START VS QUEEFS ITS ABOUT TIME
By JOSH DUBOW, AP Sports Writer
(Updated Monday, November 13, 2006, 4:40 PM)
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ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) - Art Shell took issue with quarterback Andrew Walter's criticisms of the Oakland Raiders' struggling offense and appears ready to make a switch back to Aaron Brooks.
Walter took shots at coordinator Tom Walsh's offense after Sunday's 17-13 loss to Denver, saying there is not enough "depth" in the playbook, the offense was too predictable, and that the team needed to utilize more quick-developing plays than five- and seven-step drops.
That didn't sit well with Shell, who has fiercely defended Walsh all season long from criticisms that he is out of touch after being away from the NFL for more than a decade.
"You have to be accountable for what you do," Shell said Monday. "To start making statements about what's in and what's not in, then you need to take a hard look at what's there. Obviously, I don't want to get into a contest with a young man but for him to come out and say those things, (that's) totally off-base as far as I'm concerned."
Walter was unavailable for comment Monday, but had plenty to say after Oakland's latest loss.
"We need to make it more complex," Walter said, referring to the Raiders' playbook. "I'd like more swing routes, flat routes, short stuff. There are certain things I'd like to see."
Shell did not respond to criticisms of the offense and coaching staff earlier in the season from receiver Randy Moss, saying everyone can "speak their mind." But the coach wasn't as accepting of the comments from Walter, who is in his second year in the NFL.
"When you speak out, you need to know what you're talking about when you make those statements," Shell said. "You can speak out. I've said that before. Guys are capable of speaking out but when you start going out and you start airing your laundry in public, then you've got to have some accountability for that, too."
Shell said Walter's comments wouldn't play into the decision about who would start at quarterback Sunday at Kansas City, but he appears ready to give the job back to Brooks.
Brooks began the season as the starter before straining a pectoral muscle in the first quarter of the second game. The injury took longer to heal than the Raiders originally thought, giving Walter an extensive opportunity to prove he was ready to be an NFL starter.
Brooks returned to practice two weeks ago and said Monday he's ready to play in games as soon as the coaches give him the go-ahead.
"I'm going to take a hard look at it and see where we are with him," Shell said. "He's been throwing the last couple of weeks. I thought last week he threw the ball a whole lot better. ... I think he's very close. We'll see how he goes."
Brooks, who was just 6-for-14 for 68 yards before getting hurt, said the problems on the NFL's worst offense are more about execution than play calling. Brooks has made 84 starts in his career and said he believed he gives the team a better chance to win than the inexperienced Walter does.
"I think we have a greater chance," Brooks said. "I possess some skills that with my experience gives us a greater chance."
Walter has shown sporadic signs of success, but needs to do much more to overcome a poor offensive line. Walter has completed just 48.1 percent of his passes and thrown only three touchdowns and nine interceptions. He has also lost seven fumbles and been sacked 40 times.
Walter said he has asked for changes in the offense and the coaches have sometimes listened to his suggestions.
Shell said Walsh's offense runs many of the same plays as other teams in the NFL and does not call more deep drops than many other teams. He also said that the players have more say on what plays get called than he has seen in the past.
Shell also was upset about comments made by Moss, who blamed his frequent dropped passes this season on a loss of focus because he's not happy with what's going on around the team.
"My concentration and focus level tends to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood," Moss said. "So all I can say is if you put me in a good situation and make me happy, man, you get good results."
Shell said he "hates" to hear comments like that.
"You're paid to play a game that you've played for many years and that you love and once you hit the field, you compete," Shell said. "That's the way I see it."
AARON BROOKS WILL START VS QUEEFS ITS ABOUT TIME
Thank you. He had time to throw the ball and under threw and overthrew receivers. The first time he fumbled he held the ball too long and the second fumble... he shouldn't have even fumbled. The coach called for shotgun formation and this idiot line up under the center and fumbles the snap. Then he wants to blame the offensive coordinator. We had a chance to beat the Broncos and Walter screwed it up not the offensive line or the coordinator.
Plummer aint't the reason the Broncos are 7-2 so get out of here with that bullshit man. The Broncos are 7-2 because of Mike Shanahan and their defense. You must didn't watch the game because you acting like Plummer is the shit. Take away them bootlegs and Plummer will throw hella picks like he did against the Raiders. You're a Bronco fan so you should know that. All you have to do is contain Plummer. Keep someone on the edge to keep him from rolling out. Burgess was waiting for his ass that's why he threw all them damn interceptions. Get out of here with your bullshit.