Raider fans tell me this

[Skizzy Ske]

WHAT ABOUT JULIEN PETERSON AND AHMED PLUMMER? BUT THATS WHEN BILL WALSH WAS THE GM FOR A COUPLE YEARS, THE NINERS SUCKED FOR 2 YEARS AND WALSH TURNED IT AROUND IN 1,

PLUS I THINK YALL BETTER NOT PASS ON MCFADDEN HE'S GONNA BE GOOD, BUT IF THE RAIDERS DON'T TAKE HIM THEY SHOULD TRADE DOWN AND GET MORE PICKS

OH REALLY NOW?????

 

[Solitary 1]

WHAT ABOUT JULIEN PETERSON AND AHMED PLUMMER?

WTF HAPPENED TO AHMED PLUMMER? IS HE EVEN STILL IN THE NFL?

BUST.

 

[MAVA]

What dose this have to do with last season and next one?

"Ain't no nostalgia to this shit here! The game, and what happened here today."

 

[Tony]

LOL... Ahmed Plummer was garbage. He was alwasy giving up big plays.... He looked like Tiger Woods.

 

[Chree]

KEVAN BARLOW, KWAME HARRIS,

Barlow lol, he had a thousand yard season, like Fargas......

u can take kwame off the list, cuz well, i guess he was "good" enough to merit a 14 mil contract from the raiders

 

[Chree]

LOL... Ahmed Plummer was garbage. He was alwasy giving up big plays.... He looked like Tiger Woods.

Most of those came on madden when u played against him too huh?

 

[Tony]

Yep... wherever he was he was getting burned. He was pure garbage.... couldn't cover if his life depended on it.

 

[MooreBlock530]

just because you get a 1000 yard season doesnt make you any good....hell even fragile ass chris brown had a 1000 yard season......

 

[Defy]

AND THE JURY IS LIGHTWEIGHT OUT ON DAVIS STILL.

I don't think anyone doubts his playing ability, I think its all about whether or not he can stay healthy enough to be an NFL player. his past 2 seasons proved he couldn't. this ain't hate, this is truth. STD.....I mean VD could be raw if he stayed healthy for a season (and had someone to throw to him) but until he makes it all the way thru an nfl season, like sol said, the jury is still out on him

 

[Chree]

I don't think anyone doubts his playing ability, I think its all about whether or not he can stay healthy enough to be an NFL player. his past 2 seasons proved he couldn't. this ain't hate, this is truth. STD.....I mean VD could be raw if he stayed healthy for a season (and had someone to throw to him) but until he makes it all the way thru an nfl season, like sol said, the jury is still out on him

Those injuries were freak accidents, his leg got broke against philly in rook season, in a blocking play, getting hit from 2 directions, then last year, against the stealers, when he took that really really bad hit, i dont think any player would have been okay after that

Yep... wherever he was he was getting burned. He was pure garbage.... couldn't cover if his life depended on it.

u obviously didnt watch games he played in then, yes he got burned, but not every play like u are suggesting...

just because you get a 1000 yard season doesnt make you any good....hell even fragile ass chris brown had a 1000 yard season......

thats my point.... read the whole post lol

 

[MAVA]

What dose this have to do with last season and next one?

"Ain't no nostalgia to this shit here! The game, and what happened here today."

 

[Solitary 1]

Barlow lol, he had a thousand yard season, like Fargas......

u can take kwame off the list, cuz well, i guess he was "good" enough to merit a 14 mil contract from the raiders

BARLOW WAS A 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICK! HE WAS A BUST. PERIOD.

KWAME WAS A BUST TOO. THE RAIDERS ARE JUST HOPING TO SALVAGE WHAT'S LEFT OF HIM.

 

[Chree]

barlow wasnt a 1st.......

 

[Chree]

2001
3rd round 18th pick Kevan Barlow RB 6-1 238 Pittsburgh

 

[Chree]

Since 2000, the niner draft picks, starters/above average contributors are in bold whether with niners or another team


2007
1 11 Patrick Willis ILB 6-1 240 Mississippi
1 28 Joe Staley OT 6-6 306 Central Michigan
3 12 Jason Hill WR 6-0 210 Washington State
3 34 Ray McDonald DT 6-3 276 Florida
4 5 Jay Moore DE/OLB 6-5 276 Nebraska
4 27 Dashon Goldson FS 6-2 202 Washington
4 36 Joe Cohen DT 6-2 313 Florida
5 10 Tarell Brown CB 5-11 192 Texas
6 12 Thomas Clayton RB 5-10 218 Kansas State
2006
1 6 Vernon Davis TE 6-3 256 Maryland
1 22 Manny Lawson OLB 6-5 241 North Carolina State
3 20 Brandon Williams WR 5-9 180 Wisconsin
4 3 Michael Robinson WR 6-1 226 Penn State
5 7 Parys Haralson DE 6-1 253 Tennessee
6 6 Delanie Walker WR 6-1 240 Central Missouri State
6 23 Marcus Hudson FS 6-1 195 North Carolina State
6 28 Melvin Oliver DE 6-3 279 Louisiana State
7 46 Vickiel Vaughn FS 5-11 208 Arkansas
2005
1 1 Alex Smith QB 6-4 217 Utah
2 1 David Baas C/G 6-4 319 Michigan
3 1 Frank Gore RB 5-9 212 Miami (FL)
3 31 Adam Snyder G 6-5 316 Oregon
5 1 Ronald Fields NG 6-2 313 Mississippi St.
5 38 Rasheed Marshall WR 5-11 185 West Virginia
6 31 Derrick Johnson CB 5-11 197 Washington
7 1 Daven Holly CB 5-10 192 Cincinnati
7 9 Marcus Maxwell WR 6-4 205 Oregon
7 34 Patrick Estes TE 6-6 280 Virginia
7 35 Billy Bajema TE 6-5 261 Oklahoma St.
2004
1 31 Rashaun Woods WR 6-2 202 Oklahoma State
2 14 Justin Smiley G 6-3 301 Alabama
2 26 Shawntae Spencer CB 6-0 176 Pittsburgh
3 14 Derrick Hamilton WR 6-3 203 Clemson
4 8 Isaac Sopoaga NG/DT 6-2 321 Hawaii
4 31 Richard Seigler LB 6-2 238 Oregon State
6 23 Andy Lee P 6-0 206 Pittsburgh
6 33 Keith Lewis FS 6-0 202 Oregon
7 16 Cody Pickett QB 6-3 227 Washington
7 25 Christian Ferrara DT 6-3 294 Syracuse
2003
1 26 Kwame Harris T 6-7 310 Stanford
2 25 Anthony Adams DT 6-0 300 Penn State
3 25 Andrew Williams DE 6-2 263 Miami
4 27 Brandon Lloyd WR 6-0 184 Illinois
5 26 Aaron Walker TE 6-6 252 Florida
6 24 Arnaz Battle WR 6-0 217 Notre Dame
7 27 Ken Dorsey QB 6-4 205 Miami
2002
1 27 Mike Rumph CB 6-2 205 Miami (FL)
3 4 Saleem Rasheed LB 6-2 229 Alabama
4 4 Jeff Chandler K 6-2 218 Florida
4 29 Kevin Curtis S 6-2 212 Texas Tech
5 28 Brandon Doman QB 6-1 210 BYU
5 37 Josh Shaw DT 6-2 279 Michigan State
6 29 Mark Anelli TE 6-3 265 Wisconsin
7 28 Eric Heitmann G 6-3 305 Stanford
7 38 Kyle Kosier T 6-5 293 Arizona State
7 45 Teddy Gaines CB 5-11 165 Tennessee
2001
1 7 Andre Carter DE 6-4 265 California
2 16 Jamie Winborn LB 5-11 224 Vanderbilt
3 18 Kevan Barlow RB 6-1 238 Pittsburgh
6 6 Cedrick Wilson WR 5-10 179 Tennessee
6 16 Rashad Holman CB 5-10 191 Louisville
6 28 Menson Holloway DE 6-2 284 Texas-El Paso
7 9 Alex Lincoln LB 6-0 251 Auburn
7 24 Eric Johnson TE 6-3 256 Yale
2000
1 16 Julian Peterson LB 6-3 235 Michigan State
1 24 Ahmed Plummer(retire due to inj) CB 5-11 191 Ohio State
2 4 John Engelberger DE 6-4 260 Virginia Tech
2 17 Jason Webster CB 5-9 180 Texas A&M
3 3 Giovanni Carmazzi QB 6-3 224 Hofstra
3 24 Jeff Ulbrich LB 6-0 249 Hawaii
4 14 John Keith (retired due to inj) S 6-0 207 Furman
5 3 Paul Smith RB 5-11 234 UTEP
5 21 John Milem DE 6-7 290 Lenoir-Rhyne
7 6 Tim Rattay QB 6-0 215 Louisiana Tech
7 24 Brian Jennings TE 6-5 238 Arizona State

 

[Solitary 1]

MIKE RUMPH-BUST
KEVIN CARTER-BUST
RASHAUN WOODS-BUST
KWAME HARRIS-BUST

AND LAST BUT LEAST: ALEX SMITH-BUST

 

[Chree]

how is kwame a bust? he signed a pretty nice sized contract with oakland and is starting. I wouldnt consider that a bust, he sucks, but isnt a bust lol, Mike Rumph got hurt and never lived to potential, Rashaun Woods just sucked lol, he couldnt get healthy/outta doghouse, and whos kevin carter? if u mean Andre Carter? he isnt a bust, he got a big contract from the skins too

 

[Solitary 1]

THERE ALL BUSTS! FACE IT. AND JUST BECAUSE A PLAYER GETS OFFERED A BIG CONTRACT FROM ANOTHER TEAM DOES NOT MEAN HE'S NOT A BUST. IT JUST MEANS THAT TEAM WAS DESPERATE AT THAT POSITION.

GET IT STRAIGHT.

 

[Chree]

lol bring up the raider drafts since 2000, i bet u wont find half as many players on there that are still starters or solid contributors

 

[Solitary 1]

NO NEED. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. BUT DON'T LIKE THE NINERS HAVE BEEN GREAT IN THE DRAFT. AS YOU CAN SEE. THEY HAVEN'T.