Racism still exists in California

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82% of California SAS workers were born in Mexico, only 8% in the U.S.
53% of the foreign-born have resided in U.S. 10 years or longer
62% obtained legal status through the special agricultural worker (SAW) program
9% of interviewees are not eligible for employment in the U.S.
median age is 32; 25% are 24 or younger
74% are male
66% are married
60% live with one or more family members when in SAS work
of the 60% with children, 35% do not live with their children when in SAS work
91% are Hispanic

http://are.berkeley.edu/APMP/pubs/lmd/html/fall_92/califarmw.html

That's not our point, an institutional racism argument can be made if clarified because the majority of "LEGAL" farmworkers are Mexican. They veered from the argument by talking about illegals. They have nothing to do with this bill. Legal Mexican workers do!
Right. I'm not disagreeing with that. My conversation about "illegal" immigrants stemmed from the comment about illegals receiving "free" social services.
 
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And like Bay2Mi pointed out..."would have made California's hourly agricultural employees the only farmworkers in the nation to receive overtime pay"

How is THIS racist?
They are saying that the law on a state level and federal level is Wrong. The old wage laws for farmworkers is old and outdated. People are not supporting the law because the majority of people effected by it are Mexican. Institutional racism. I don't know if I agree with it because I am not familiar with the law. I would be persuaded to look into it because Mexicans have been hit left and right with other forms of institutional racism.
 
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its funny how everyone on siccness acts like america is supposed to treat illegal immigrants like they are really citizens or some shit..
You mean like the way Mexican authorities would treat me like a Mexican citizen if I chose to go south? Shit, in Mexico you get arrested for not being Mexican then tossed in jail until the ransom arrives.
 

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I don't know about you, but I have a family...which comes with an obligation to keep a roof over our heads, food in our stomachs, and make sure we are healthy. So, "selfishly", I find it important to keep the money that I make (as much as I can) without taking care of somebody else's family.

THAT thought process has nothing to do with "mexicans", but has everything to do with people that abuse the system. That includes anybody that has babies to collect more money from welfare, lies about their income to get subsidized housing, and expects the government to take care of them because they REFUSE to do it on their own. This does NOT include people who are INCAPABLE, but people that are just plain selfish and expect handouts whenever possible.

Also, I've never said anything about Obama being black...I don't give a fuck if he's pink, purple, or green. I don't agree with him, just like I didn't agree with Bush. So YOU need to get over it. Race or ethnicity is not the issue here, it's what I BELIEVE to be right or wrong. If my uncle came her illegally from Italy and lived off the government, I'd tell him to get off his ass and do shit the correct way.
Well actually I have three kids and me and my girl work and go to school so I know a thang or two about keeping a roof over my famz head..with that said I dont mind paying taxes and helping out other that are less fortunate than I...really payin taxes aint shit ppl like you believe it to be so bad because thats what politicians campain on(lowering taxes)...so folks like you use that as an excuse to treat other human beings like trash...Look I dont give a fuck IMO every person has the right to feed their own...as long as they work and aint stealing or killing for its all good...

Now when I read your post a feel there is racist undertone in your writing...and aint nothing you type can change that becuase everything you type has republican white man writin all over it...now I dont think every white man is racist but the majority of you are...and like them I can see the fear you have...that your gonna lose your power over this country to minorities...you ppl are scared you have a black president and your scared that the populatuion of America is going to mostly hispanic in 50 to 100 years...thats why you guys are forming parties like the tea baggers and passing all these laws to keep mexicans out of America...you use fear to try and scare ppl to be on ur side...the fact is mexicans are not taking americans jobs...the crime rate in states like AZ have went down in the last 10 years not up...these things politicians claim are their reasons behind passing these laws...its bullshit cuz it is all about race and keeping the white man on top...yall can try and hide behind your taxes and jobs and Obama being a shitty president but anybody with a half a brain knows all the shit is about race and about keeping minorities at the bottom of the barrel...times is changing folks either roll with them or get ran over.
 
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And everyone on the Siccness should Gangrape your Mom in Every hole Possible with Razor Tipped Cocks while we Bumpin a MARS Bootleg copy of "SOME GIRLS DESERVE TO DIE" at a extremly Loud Volume so no one can Hear her Scream with Pleasure.

You Sir.....are Fucking TROLL-TARDED. Fuck going Under a Bridge, Just throw yourself off of the Highest and nearest one you can get to.

Comments Like those and People Like you Need to be SNIPED and Picked off.

Timm you dissapoint me Son. I see your true colors.
stop the flow of non tax paying aliens. They need to fill out paperwork and come legally
 
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Well actually I have three kids and me and my girl work and go to school so I know a thang or two about keeping a roof over my famz head..with that said I dont mind paying taxes and helping out other that are less fortunate than I...really payin taxes aint shit ppl like you believe it to be so bad because thats what politicians campain on(lowering taxes)...so folks like you use that as an excuse to treat other human beings like trash...Look I dont give a fuck IMO every person has the right to feed their own...as long as they work and aint stealing or killing for its all good...

Now when I read your post a feel there is racist undertone in your writing...and aint nothing you type can change that becuase everything you type has republican white man writin all over it...now I dont think every white man is racist but the majority of you are...and like them I can see the fear you have...that your gonna lose your power over this country to minorities...you ppl are scared you have a black president and your scared that the populatuion of America is going to mostly hispanic in 50 to 100 years...thats why you guys are forming parties like the tea baggers and passing all these laws to keep mexicans out of America...you use fear to try and scare ppl to be on ur side...the fact is mexicans are not taking americans jobs...the crime rate in states like AZ have went down in the last 10 years not up...these things politicians claim are their reasons behind passing these laws...its bullshit cuz it is all about race and keeping the white man on top...yall can try and hide behind your taxes and jobs and Obama being a shitty president but anybody with a half a brain knows all the shit is about race and about keeping minorities at the bottom of the barrel...times is changing folks either roll with them or get ran over.
LMAO @ YOU calling ME racist with THIS post. This is one of the most racists posts I've read on this site in 9 years.

1. My fiance is Salvadorian...my SON is half Salvadorian. You calling ME a racist against anybody that is NOT WHITE is tossed out the fuckin' window immediately.

2. I help people whenever I can...but I do it on MY OWN TERMS! I don't need somebody telling me who to help and when. I've donated plenty of money and GIVEN plenty of money to people who needed it. I've also volunteered my time to help less fortunate children and teens.

3. I didn't start, join, or condone any "tea party". I have nothing to do with that.

4. The ONLY people bringing RACE into the new shit are the ignorant assholes who think you can only dislike a president because of his race. I NEVER heard ANYBODY say "You dislike Bush 'cause he's white". So why can't anybody disagree with Obama without being a "racist".

5. I never said Mexicans were taking American jobs...I'm not the ignorant asshole that thinks that. I am probably one of the FEW people on this website that understands how businesses operate. With that said, I know American jobs are being lost because businesses are OUTSOURCING work to other countries because it is cheaper. Whether it be China, India, Korea, wherever.

6. I don't have any power in this country, I'm not fuckin' blind. So "losing" the power I don't have doesn't concern me. I don't have that fear that you're talking about.

7. Obama being a shitty president has nothing to do with his "race", and everything to do with his policies. The people that believe it is a racial issue do not understand what kind of "changes" are being made. It's not just WHITE people that think he's an idiot, it's a LOT of people. I heard a black woman call him "The Devil"...is SHE racist?????

In any case, fuckin' hilarious that you should call me racist, and in the same paragraph go on to group white people together and point the finger like you did. VERY interesting. I think it's quite obvious who, between the two of us, has race issues.
 
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Now when I read your post a feel there is racist undertone in your writing...and aint nothing you type can change that becuase everything you type has republican white man writin all over it...now I dont think every white man is racist but the majority of you are...and like them I can see the fear you have...that your gonna lose your power over this country to minorities...you ppl are scared you have a black president and your scared that the populatuion of America is going to mostly hispanic in 50 to 100 years...thats why you guys are forming parties like the tea baggers and passing all these laws to keep mexicans out of America...you use fear to try and scare ppl to be on ur side...the fact is mexicans are not taking americans jobs...the crime rate in states like AZ have went down in the last 10 years not up...these things politicians claim are their reasons behind passing these laws...its bullshit cuz it is all about race and keeping the white man on top...yall can try and hide behind your taxes and jobs and Obama being a shitty president but anybody with a half a brain knows all the shit is about race and about keeping minorities at the bottom of the barrel...times is changing folks either roll with them or get ran over.
Amen my friend.. I am so gl;ad you did this post cause its everything i wanted to say but you made it sound so much better than i would have. Its the MUTHAFUCKIN TRUTH!!! Straight up! Props for this reply.. Close thread now Please... I think Ghost Dance just shut it down
 
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Amen my friend.. I am so gl;ad you did this post cause its everything i wanted to say but you made it sound so much better than i would have. Its the MUTHAFUCKIN TRUTH!!! Straight up! Props for this reply.. Close thread now Please... I think Ghost Dance just shut it down
Yea...so intelligent to call somebody racist with a racist post. Dude definitely has his head on straight. :ermm:
 

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LMAO @ YOU calling ME racist with THIS post. This is one of the most racists posts I've read on this site in 9 years.

1. My fiance is Salvadorian...my SON is half Salvadorian. You calling ME a racist against anybody that is NOT WHITE is tossed out the fuckin' window immediately.

2. I help people whenever I can...but I do it on MY OWN TERMS! I don't need somebody telling me who to help and when. I've donated plenty of money and GIVEN plenty of money to people who needed it.

3. I didn't start, join, or condone any "tea party". I have nothing to do with that.

4. The ONLY people bringing RACE into the new shit are the ignorant assholes who think you can only dislike a president because of his race. I NEVER heard ANYBODY say "You dislike Bush 'cause he's white". So why can't anybody disagree with Obama without being a "racist".

5. I never said Mexicans were taking American jobs...I'm not the ignorant asshole that thinks that. I am probably one of the FEW people on this website that understands how businesses operate. With that said, I know American jobs are being lost because businesses are OUTSOURCING work to other countries because it is cheaper. Whether it be China, India, Korea, wherever.

6. I don't have any power in this country, I'm not fuckin' blind. So "losing" the power I don't have doesn't concern me. I don't have that fear that you're talking about.

7. Obama being a shitty president has nothing to do with his "race", and everything to do with his policies. The people that believe it is a racial issue do not understand what kind of "changes" are being made. It's not just WHITE people that think he's an idiot, it's a LOT of people. I heard a black woman call him "The Devil"...is SHE racist?????

In any case, fuckin' hilarious that you should call me racist, and in the same paragraph go on to group white people together and point the finger like you did. VERY interesting. I think it's quite obvious who, between the two of us, has race issues.
Oh I do have race issues I will be the first to admit that...

Unlike you I dont have to hide them I will freely speak against "racist" white ppl with no fear of being called racist cuz the anger I have towards some white ppl has nothing to do with the color of their skin and everything to do with the way the have treated and minipulated minorities in this country since before and after it was founded ...believe me I hate racist blacks a mexicans more than I hate racist white ppl...but at the end of the day most white ppl still are the ones that treat us like secound class citizens and we still deal with racism on a dalily basis...if you aint never lived then u will never understand period.

And i've herd the same ol shit before "some of my best freinds are black" or "my girl is Salvadorian" it still dont clear you from having a racist thought process so you can miss me with that shit...some of the things you support are racist in their nature so you fall into that catagory no matter what spin you want to put on it...

I would never support a law that discriminated against any race including whites or even gay folks...im all about everone being treated the same and having the same rights and opportunities as every one else...and apparently you dont that why I call you a racist...what you support speaks louder than what you dont
 
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Good convo everyone.

We allow seasonal workers to migrate from Mexico into our country to do the work most lazy Americans would never do. It is either you don't want them here or you do. Everyone knows farmworkers are of some sort of hispanic descent 99.9% of the time. Basically what this says is your labor isn't worth the sweat off the American People's balls and you should be happy to be here to begin with, which I kind of agree with, but that is a whole different topic. My point is, if you allow them to work in our country they should be under the same umbrella as all other workers in the United States. This bill was put into law 70 years ago people. This is basically segregating a class of people.
 
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Sydal;5320486This has all kinds of things wrong with it. For one, social services given to illegal immigrants aren't free...you and I pay for them. Two, illegal immigrants shouldn't be working in the United States. You and I have to prove our eligibility to work here, so why don't they? And since they don't, why should they make what everybody else makes?
For them it is free. You know why they don't have to prove status? The big wigs at the top of the corporations really dictating the laws like the cheap labor because their pockets get fatter.

My fiance's entire family immigrated from El Salvador, starting with her dad, and they did it legally. My great grandparents were immigrants, and they did it legally. So why should I, or any other descendants of immigrants, feel sorry for folks who choose to come here without following the proper procedures?
That is not what this is about.

No other country in the WORLD will let your ass stay there illegally. If you're there for a visit, they will make sure your ass is gone when you say you'll be gone. If not, they'll find you and kick you out.
Once again, that is not what this is about.
 

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Yea...so intelligent to call somebody racist with a racist post. Dude definitely has his head on straight. :ermm:
Yeah I definitely do...

Unlike you Im not blind to how this counrty is ran...I see it for what it is and challenge it whenever I can...Blacks and Mexicans have been through struggles in this country that you will never undertsand or comprehend...you will never understand how its feels to be treated as a minority in this country so all you can do is bitch about your taxes and other shit that dont matter...its good folks I aint gonna go back and forth with you all day I see u as I see u and u see me as u see me...at the end of the day Im gonna do what it takes to make it and fight for what I feel is right....and you will be on the other side fighting against what I stand for so fuk you and have a good day.
 
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Oh I do have race issues I will be the first to admit that...

Unlike you I dont have to hide them I will freely speak against "racist" white ppl with no fear of being called racist cuz the anger I have towards some white ppl has nothing to do with the color of their skin and everything to do with the way the have treated and minipulated minorities in this country since before and after it was founded ...believe me I hate racist blacks a mexicans more than I hate racist white ppl...but at the end of the day most white ppl still are the ones that treat us like secound class citizens and we still deal with racism on a dalily basis...if you aint never lived then u will never understand period.

And i've herd the same ol shit before "some of my best freinds are black" or "my girl is Salvadorian" it still dont clear you from having a racist thought process so you can miss me with that shit...some of the things you support are racist in their nature so you fall into that catagory no matter what spin you want to put on it...

I would never support a law that discriminated against any race including whites or even gay folks...im all about everone being treated the same and having the same rights and opportunities as every one else...and apparently you dont that why I call you a racist...what you support speaks louder than what you dont
Yea yea yea, my best friend is black and my girl is Salvadorian. It's not a statement I make to defend myself, but it just so happens to be true. I haven't a racist bone in my body, nor have I ever said I "support" racist laws. Laws against illegal immigration don't single out mexicans, asians, south Americans, or anybody else for that matter. If you're illegal, you're illegal. Once you realize that, you will be in a better place mentally. It just so happens that many illegal immigrants in the southern and western part of the United States are from south of the border...that's just the way the dice rolled. The same white people you hate called my people Ginny's and WOP's, and treated my people (even though we are white), differently...so how can I condone such behavior? I can't.

The fact is, a truly racist white person can't be close enough to a black dude to consider him a brother. A truly racist person cannot love and want to marry somebody of another race that he/she supposedly hates. A racist person would say "Speak English", not "Hey, can you teach me Spanish?" A truly racist white dude would not be ecstatic about having a fiance who is 100% Salvadorian (the daughter of immigrants) and a baby who is half Salvadorian.

You have anger towards racist white people....I have anger towards NOBODY! Not even racist folks that hate white people. Why? Because if you want to be ignorant, that is your problem. If a white dude is racist, he's an ignorant asshole. If a Mexican is racist, black person is racist, Asian person is racist...they are all ignorant assholes. I don't have the time or energy to have anger or hatred towards anybody. Given my background, the people I hold closest to my heart, and my own family situation...I have no room to be racist or even have racist thoughts. My circle is diverse, my family is diverse, and I love every single person involved. THAT is not the HEART of a racist.