QUIT SUPPORTIN THAT BULLSHIT!! (IF YOU REALLY LOVE HIP HOP, READ THIS)

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AS AN ARTIST MYSELF AND (MORE IMPORTANTLY) A BIG HIP-HOP FAN, I THINK A LOT AOBUT THE STATE OF MUSIC THESE DAYS.. I KNOW EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION AND I AINT EXACTLY THE WORLD'S AUTHORITY ON HIP-HOP, BUT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE (NYC) SAID, "IF YOU GO PLATINUM, IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH LUCK, IT JUST MEANS THAT A MILLION PEOPLE ARE STUPID AS FUCK!" IF YOU LOOK AT THE THEMES AND TOPICS OF MOST MAJOR RAP HITS THESE DAYS, IT'S ALL ABOUT SOME MATERIAL BULLSHIT (MONEY, CARS, CLOTHES, BITCHES, JEWELRY). EITHER THAT OR SOME CUPCAKE LOVE THEME FOR TEENAGE GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN. THAT'S WHAT SELLS THESE DAYS. I WAS WATCHING THIS VIDEO ON MTV AT MY POTNA FROM SOUTH CENTRAL LA'S HOUSE THAT WAS BASICALLY HAD THIS RAPPER PULLING UP TO A CLUB IN AN EXPENSIVE CAR AND RAPPING IN THE CLUB WITH A BUNCH OF MODELS AROUND HIM. I DON'T EVEN NEED TO SAY WHAT SONG THE VIDEO WAS FOR CUZ THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF VIDEOS LIKE THAT. I SAID TO MY HOMIE, "THIS VIDEO IS WHACK! THERE'S NOTHING ORIGINAL OR CREATIVE ABOUT IT!" HE SAID, "WHO CARES, THAT'S WHAT'S HOT RIGHT NOW."

BUT HAVE YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF, WHY IS THAT WHAT'S HOT? IT'S HOT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE LIKING. BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE FEELING IT BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THEY'RE EXPOSED TO THROUGH RADIO, TV, ETC. AND WHO CONTROLS RADIO, TV AND THE MEDIA? MANY TIMES ITS THE SAME CORPORATIONS WHO CONTROL MAJOR RECORD LABELS. SEE MY POINT? USUALLY (NOT ALWAYS, BUT MOSTLY) THE ONLY ARTISTS WHO WILL GET THOSE DEALS ARE THE ARTISTS WHO CAN STAY CONSTITENT WITH THE MAINSTREAM FORMULA THAT THEY'VE BEEN USING TO SELL RECORDS. THAT IS BECAUSE THE CORPORATIONS BEHIND THEM HAVE AN INTEREST IN KEEPING YOU IGNORANT, KEEPING YOU OBSESSED WITH THE SAME MATERIAL PRODUCTS THAT ARE PUTTING MONEY DIRECTLY IN THEIR POCKETS. THIS MUSIC IS BRAINWASHING OUR YOUTH, MOST OF WHICH HAVE NO CONNECTION TO THE FEELINGS OR MESSAGES THAT INSPIRED HIP-HOP'S CREATION.

SO NOT ONLY ARE THESE FANS FEEDING INTO IT, BUT MANY UNDERGROUND AND UP-AND-COMING ARTISTS THEMSELVES. EVEN A LOT OF OLD SCHOOL HIP HOP VETS ARE STILL TRYING TO KNOCK OUT THAT ONE CLUB BANGER THAT WILL PUT THEM ON BET AND GET THEM THAT MAJOR LABEL CAKE. SOME CATS EVEN HAVE ENTIRE ALBUMS LIKE THAT. THEY ARE JUST AS BRAINWASHED AS THE FANS. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE FOCUSED ON CARS, CLOTHES, HOES, JEWELRY, AND MONEY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FOCUS ON THE ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. BASICALLY WHILE YOU'RE WATCHING BET, THE POWERS THAT BE ARE RUNNING GAME BEHIND YOUR BACK THROUGH SOCIAL AND POLITICAL ACTIONS THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT YOU EVERY DAY THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA EVEN EXIST.

A LOT OF THESE TYPES ARE THE FAVORITE RAPPERS OF SOME OF YOU CATS THAT POST ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD. NO HATE, EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO LIKE WHAT THEY LIKE. AND MORE POWER TO THE UNDERGROUND CATS STACKING CHIPS BASED OFF THESE TYPES OF FORMULAS, DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. BUT SOME OF THE REAL FACTORS, THE NIGGAS MAKING REAL INDEPENDET CAKE (SOMETIMES MORE THAN YOUR FAVORITE MAINSTREAM RAPPERS), MOVING REAL UNITS NATION & WORLDWIDE, DOING SHOWS AND TOURS INTERNATIONALLY, WITH HUGE FANBASES ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FEED INTO THIS SHIT, WHO DECIDE TO DO THEIR OWN THING AND FOCUS MORE ON THEIR MUSICAL SKILL AND APPEAL AS OPPOSED TO FOCUSING ON THEIR IMAGE. THESE ARE ARTISTS A LOT OF YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF, OR DONT EVEN GIVE A FUCK ABOUT.

SO NEXT TIME YOU DECIDE TO BUY A CD OR EVEN DOWNLOAD A SONG OF LIMEWIRE, THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT ARTISTS REPRESENTS, THINK ABOUT HOW THAT APPLIES TO YOU, AND ASK YOURSELF IF HE HAS ANY SUBSTANCE OR MEANING BEHIND HIS WORDS.

I KNOW THIS IS LONG, BUT IT'S JUST WHAT I BE THINKING ABOUT AS I SIT ON MY COACH SMOKING DOOBIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. ONE LOVE.
 
Dec 11, 2006
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i agree with u but one thing i think you might be forgetting is that some certain artist are only claiming to be club/ ringtone artists. but people already know not to listen to crap like that when you u want to here real lyrics with thought n meaning behind them. well writin piece tho. it sucks that 13 yo girls dont care about what we may consider to be real hip hop but they and the labels are definatly more vocal than u and i.
 
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I HEAR WHAT UR SAYEN, BUT I THINK HIP-HOP IS A SMALL GENRE OF MUSIC! I DONT PATICULARY INCLUDE RAP WIT HIPHOP! U SAY HIP-HOP I THINK EAST COAST (MOS DEF, COMMON, RAP BATTLES) N BLACKALICIOUS, HEILOGRYPHICS(WESTCOAST)!! THATS JUST NOT A VERY POPULAR GENRE OF MUSIC BY SALES OR SHOWS! SO IF THE OPTION IS THERE FOR PEOPLE TO PURCHASE IT N THE MOJORITY OF PEOPLE DONT WHATS THAT SAY? N U CANT SAY JUST CUZ THE MUSIC IS ALL OVER THE RADIO/VIDEO MARKET SO THATS WHY PEOPLE R BRAINWASHED BY IT N LISTEN! THERES FASTFOOD BURGER COMERCIALS N EVERY FORM OF MEDIA YET THERE R STILL VEGAN N VEGETARIANS!!

N I BELIEVE WHY PEOPLE LIKE THE CLUB BANGER FLOSSIN SONGS IS BECAUSE THERE FUN N REPRESENT SUCCESS! 2 THINGS A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE N THIS COUNTRY STRIVE FOR!! AS AN ARTIST MYSELF IM TRYEN TO MAKE MUSIC THAT PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO N WANA SPEND $$ ON, WHETHER THRU MUSIC SALES, SHOWS OR MERCHANDISE! N IM NOT SAYEN THERES NOT CROSS PROMOTION N SUCH N SONGS CUZ THERE R! JUSTNOT FEELIN U ON THE CONSPIRACY ANGLE! ITS DAMN NEAR 2010 ITS ALL BOUT THE $$$!!

I ALSO BELIEVE IN TODAYS TIME FOR RIGHT OR WRONG IMAGE IS A LOT! YOU MENTION ALOT OF THESE UNDERGROUND CATS GETTIN MORE THAN SOME OF THESE MAJORS BUT WHO?? THE ONLY INDEPENDENT ARTIST I KNOW DOIN THAT IS TECH-9, WHO TOURS ALL THE TIME N WHOS MERCHANDISEN GAME IS GETTN HIM PAID!! I ALSO THINK MOST ARTISTS HAVE FAMILYS N R TRYEN TO EAT OFF RAP, SO THAT CLUB BANGER/RADIO SONG IS THE WAY TO DO THAT!

BUT I ALSO BELIEVE WIT AS SATTALITE RADIO BECOMES MORE POPULAR ITS GONNA LEAD TO A DIFFERENT STYLE OF MUSIC REACHEN THE MAINSTREAN!! MY 2CENTS COULD B WRONG!!



ITS CHILL SCRILL BABY!!!
 
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people want to do things the easy way, hence, copying a formula working for someone else. unfortunately that isnt how it works. the industry, much like the fans, are the same. monkey see, monkey do. it is a figure of speech.

hard work trumps all in my opinion. you can lack talent and creativity but still get put on. what does that tell us?

capitalizing on a market, and corporations in the music business capitalize on impressionable teens, is the name of the game from a business stand point. if you are hot, they will find you. regardless if you make radio friendly music.

when was the last time you have purchased a cd off the street from an artist that has a little buzz? the team used to be out hustlin everywhere, created a buzz through that husltle with decent music and stopped? where are they now? maybe on to bigger and better things. i do not know. but what i do know is that they were buzzing more as HUNGRY artists.

I KNOW THIS IS LONG, BUT IT'S JUST WHAT I BE THINKING ABOUT AS I SIT ON MY COACH SMOKING DOOBIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. ONE LOVE.
imo, this is exactly what is wrong...


i am not taking a shot at you because i do not know you. i am voicing my opinion and using your statement as an exmple.
 
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OH YEAH FORGOT THIS PART, I HAD SOME GOOD GAME ON RADIO SHIT! MY LOCAL STATION 979 WHERE HIP-HOP LIVES! GNR!! I WAS SPEAKIN TO THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR TRYEN 2 GET MINE N OTHER LOCAL ARTISTS MUSIC PLAYED. SHE TOLD ME REMEMBER THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT UR AIMEN AT N GIVE ME MUSIC THAT THAT DEMOGRAPHIC LISTEN TO! THE BIGGEST DEMOGRAPHIC 26 YEAR OLD FEMALE HISPANIC!! JUST SOMETHIN TO THINK ABOUT!! BUT HEY THEY STARTED PLAYEN MY SCRAPER SONG CUZ WE GOTA ALOTA PEOPLE REQUESTIN IT, N THEY STARTEN PLAYEN ALOT OF JACKA, BALANCE, BIG RICH, KAFANI. BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT ALL THOSE ARTISTS REACHED OUT N BEGAN BIZZNESS RELATIONSHIPS WIT THE RADIO STATION! IM LEARNIN MUSIC IS 1 SMALL ASPECT OF THE GAME! ARTIST, MANAGEMENT, DJ'S BREAKIN MUSIC, NETWORKIN N GETTIN OUT THERE(OUTA STATE) INTERNET, MARKETING, PUBLICIST, ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT! THIS IS WHERE OTHER REGIONS GOT US BEAT! SEEMS LIKE WHEN THE GAME EVOLVED FROM OUT THE TRUNK, WE RODE IT TILL ALL 4 TIRES WAS FLAT! BUT I DO AGREE WIT MARK7 ON THIS! U MAKE MUSIC THAT PEOPLE CAN GET BEHIND HERE N THE BAY N THEM LABELS WILL COME FOR YA!!!


ITS CHILL SCRILL BABY!!!
 
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SO NOT ONLY ARE THESE FANS FEEDING INTO IT, BUT MANY UNDERGROUND AND UP-AND-COMING ARTISTS THEMSELVES...


thats what kills me.what happend underground to being rebels and being creative and have people recognize them for having good music that dont sound like whats popular?:confused:
 
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@BIGCHILL I THINK GOOD UNDERGROUND MUSIC DOES GET RECOGNIZED!! LIKE I SAID ITS A SMALL GENRE OF THE MUSIC ALREADY SOLD! NOT TO MENTION THE UNDERGROUND IS NOW SATURATED WIT IN THE WAY RAPPERS!! MEANIN THEY PUTTIN MUSIC OUT FOR HOOD REPS NOT CUZ THEY WANNA GO ANYWHERE WIT THERE CAREER N THERE MUSIC SHOWS IT!! IF U LLOK BAC TO THE EARLY 90'S THERE WASNT AS MANY RAPPERS SO SALES WERE PROLLY HIGHER THEN! N WHEN MAKEN MUSIC FOR PEOPLE THAT DONT LIKE MAINSTREAM MUSIC, ITS A MUCH SMALLER DIVIDED GROUP OF PEOPLE. MY 2 CENTS ON THAT!!!


ITS CHILL SCRILL BABY!!!
 
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N I BELIEVE WHY PEOPLE LIKE THE CLUB BANGER FLOSSIN SONGS IS BECAUSE THERE FUN N REPRESENT SUCCESS! 2 THINGS A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE N THIS COUNTRY STRIVE FOR!! AS AN ARTIST MYSELF IM TRYEN TO MAKE MUSIC THAT PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO N WANA SPEND $$ ON, WHETHER THRU MUSIC SALES, SHOWS OR MERCHANDISE! N IM NOT SAYEN THERES NOT CROSS PROMOTION N SUCH N SONGS CUZ THERE R! JUSTNOT FEELIN U ON THE CONSPIRACY ANGLE! ITS DAMN NEAR 2010 ITS ALL BOUT THE $$$!!
there is NO such thing as material "success" my friend. re-think that.
 
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@FOREALS THERE ABSOLUTLEY IS MATERIAL SUCCESS MAYBE I WORDED IT WRONG! PEOPLE WANT NICE THANGS HOMES CARS TO EACH HIS OWN ON THE QUALITY OF THOSE BUT EVERYONE ASPIRES TO HAVE THOSE! MAYBE IN DIFFERENT DEGREES BUT NOBODYS TRYEN 2 B HOMELESS N WALKIN EVERYWHERE!!! ALOT OF THOSE FLOSSN SONGS CELEBRATE A LEVEL A SUCCESS THAT ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LOVE TO ACHIEVE N THATS WHAT I MEANT AS WHY THEY APPEAL TO PEOPLE!!

ITS CHILL SCRILL BABY!!!
 
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it went from "1st of tha month" just happy to be getting some free money to "bling bling" I got all this fetti in just 6-7 years.

I liked it better in between those years when "it was goin down tonite" puttin 5 on madden and play nintendo with lil cease an shit.
 

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brainwashing is all around u. commercials, radio, shows, etc.... think this cause its not just music. y is it that bud light/budweiser is portrayed as the best beer there is out there on commercials n shit? i can think of plenty of beer thats much better. micro breweries make sum good ass beer theyre like the independent rap of the beer game. watch this ino its not in particular what ur talkin bout but it all feeds into the same aspect of we r told whats good by big corps n government has to much power n so on.

http://milledrive.com/videos/30226/Beer_Wars_2009_.html?fmt=lq
 
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Society is brainwashed these days thanks to the music thats out......
Whatever happened to the good ol' days when we used to make good music for the fans instead of followin fads hows that just like C-Dubb said......
 
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@FOREALS THERE ABSOLUTLEY IS MATERIAL SUCCESS MAYBE I WORDED IT WRONG! PEOPLE WANT NICE THANGS HOMES CARS TO EACH HIS OWN ON THE QUALITY OF THOSE BUT EVERYONE ASPIRES TO HAVE THOSE! MAYBE IN DIFFERENT DEGREES BUT NOBODYS TRYEN 2 B HOMELESS N WALKIN EVERYWHERE!!! ALOT OF THOSE FLOSSN SONGS CELEBRATE A LEVEL A SUCCESS THAT ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LOVE TO ACHIEVE N THATS WHAT I MEANT AS WHY THEY APPEAL TO PEOPLE!!

ITS CHILL SCRILL BABY!!!
FIRST OF ALL LET ME SAY THAT YOU RAISE A LOT OF GOOD POINTS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK.. GOOD SHIT.

BUT THE POINT IM SAYING, YES ITS NICE TO HAVE NICE HOUSES AND CARS, ETC. BUT IT'S A SHAME THAT MOST PEOPLE VALUE THOSE THINGS OVER COMMUNITY, SELF-RESPECT, EVEN HUMAN LIFE.. MANY OF THE CATS FLOSSIN IN THESE VIDEOS ARE FLOSSIN WITH RENTED CARS. RENTED HOUSES. RENTED FEMALES (MODELS). I CAN FEEL ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CELEBRATE THEIR SUCCESS, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF FAKIN THE FUNK. I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF CATS JUST STARTING OFF RAPPING AND SOME OF THE ONLY CONCEPTS THESE 16 YEAR OLDS CAN THINK OF IS GETTIN MONEY WHEN 9 TIMES OUT OF 10 THEY AINT GOT SHIT!!!

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THINGS, IF I DONT HAVE THE MATERIAL ITEMS MOST MAJOR RAPPERS HAVE, IF IM NOT INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED, IF I'M NOT ON MTV, DOES THAT MEAN IM UNSUCCESSFUL?? YOU HAVE TO DEFINE YOUR OWN SUCCESS, SET YOUR OWN GOALS, STAY FOCUSED ON DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. DONT LET SOCIETY DICTATE WHETHER OR NOT YOURE DOING WELL BASED ON THEIR STANDARDS. FUCK THAT SHIT!!!

YOU ASKED ABOUT UNDERGROUND CATS WHO ARE REALLY MAKING CHIPS... RAPPERS LIKE ATMOSHPERE, ANDRE NICKATINA, THE GROUCH/LIVING LEGENDS, HIERO, EVEN THE FUCKIN INSANE CLOWN POSSE ARE SELLING OUT VENUES WORLDWIDE, MOVING UNITS, AND MAKING MORE $$$ PER CD SOLD THAN ARITSTS WITH DEALS. TO ME, HIP-HOP AND RAP ARE NOT TWO DIFFERENT GENRES. DIFFERENT STYLES, MAYBE BUT BACK IN THE DAY A STRAIGHT GANGSTA LIKE KOOL G RAP WAS CONSIDERED STRICTLY HIP-HOP. AND EVEN KRS-ONE GOT DOWN ON SOME GANGSTA SHIT.

IN THE END WE ALL CALL OURSELVES RAPPERS. WE NEED TO REDEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE MOST CATS GOT IT ALL FUCKED UP. HIP-HOP AND RAP IS THE SAME, THE ONLY TWO GENRES I SEE THESE DAYS ARE HIP-HOP AND POP MUSIC.