Question for Theists

[ParkBoyz]

Wow, once again you kill yourself, Jesus simply states, that without the Father he is nothing, without Jesus, the Father could not even have made man, or the world, because there would be no foundation or Rock which Jesus was. I've been lenient and nice, unlike Heresy who has less tolerance for you. But I'm getting to the point of telling you to meditate, so go meditate.

Haha, I'm sorry STOCK, but this is psychobabble.. You're adding your own words and everything, that's crazy.. And actually, I'm the one with the tolerance, I have to put up with a few people who are well versed in mythology and try to apply it to reality in a sensible way, which is pretty mind throbbing but funny at times. How about I go and meditate about how confused Christians are? That would seem appropriate. I'll take your advice..

LMAO! He just sunk his argument for the 530th time!!!! How can you accept what John said in THIS instance, yet DENY what John said in the other instance! INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dead:

Won't work, I always cover my tracks.. I wrote "Even John says" to put emphasis on the fact that I'm weary of him. You don't have a sharp attention for detail.. Either John contradicts himself, or you guys are interpreting him wrong.. Either way, I'm not concerned.. You keep shootin and missin heresy, what's wrong? Ya'll lost this one..

 

[Hemp]

I just answered with a rhetorical reply. I know you're not a Muslim, but typically speaking, I would just have to Answer it was God Inspired.

so why are you avoiding having to answer who told john?

 

[HERESY]

Won't work, I always cover my tracks.. I wrote "Even John says" to put emphasis on the fact that I'm weary of him. You don't have a sharp attention for detail.. Either John contradicts himself, or you guys are interpreting him wrong.. Either way, I'm not concerned.. You keep shootin and missin heresy, what's wrong? Ya'll lost this one..

Son, no one is shooting and missing except for yourself. Here it is you have typed page after page and still haven't addressed the original question that this thread is based on. You mention some half-assed excuse and expect us to believe that you covered "your tracks" by using the word "even", but you didn't cover any tracks. Buddy, you are now attempting to use John to somehow prove a point, but you just tossed John out the window pages ago. Son, you did not imply that Jesus "might" not have done those things, you said Jesus DIDN'T do them and said "John even says this himself". No one reading that would get the impression that you were implying your weariness of him. Again, how can you use John to support the view that Jesus didn't do whatever it is you are talking about when you tossed John out the window pages ago? If John contradicts him or if the entire world is interpreting it wrong, what difference does it make to YOU when YOU have already rejected it? LMAO!

I have a very sharp attention for detail, but due to the fact that some of the details are not important (like elementry typo errors from a person who has 21 years of experience in the english language), I refrain from bringing them to light. However, let us go back and look at what I did have a sharp attention for, and lets see if any questions were asked of you that still remain unanswered:

How can you say these things yet post a link to a group of people who DID learn greek and hebrew, have OVER 21 years of experience in the language, but formed an opinion on something that you yourself deem meaningless due to not having the originals? Where is the logic in that?

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How many different ways can you interpret "AND THE WORD WAS GOD"?

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How/why do you assume this is talking about all of the sons of Israel and that they are being called gods?

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(You gotta love this one)

Now, before you go any further, before you post any far-fetched response or continue to side step questions like the majority of people who post in this forum you need to answer the following questions. Is the verse written in plain and understandable english, and if it is, does that mean jesus was hung on a tree? Could someone read that verse and come to believe that Jesus was lynched (killing by hanging on or from a tree)?

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(You gotta love that one lol!)

Son, no one has given you a red herring argument, I was NOT the one who introduced "No one is good but God" to this topic, and it is only logical that the divine nature of Jesus be introduced in this topic since he is the one who made the statements in question and due to the belief held by some that he was implying that he was not "god." Where is the red-herring?

I have answered the original poster, and he and I basically agree on the original question. Have you answered the original question?

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Do I expect any sensible person to believe this logic? No, I expect a sensible person to read and acknowledge the fact that I said THE ONENESS DOCTRINE believes etc. The PENTECOSTALS are the main promoters (when it comes to christian sects) of the ONENESS DOCTRINE. Where do you get the idea that I believe that?

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(You gotta love the next one)

But how does that have an impact on you and your personal relationship with God?

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Question, if the study of the original languages is not required why did the people in your link RELY on it (amongst other things) to come to their conclusion?

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Yeah, I'll keep shootin and missin, but I also attempt to answer the questions posed to me. Regardless if you find the answers valid or not, I still made an attempt to answer...unlike someone....who types...and types...and types....and just can't accept the fact that they should unsubscribe to this thread. :dead:

 

[HERESY]

so why are you avoiding having to answer who told john?

Bro, I believe he answered you already.

 

[Hemp]

Bro, I believe he answered you already.

it doesnt seem like it when he sent this afterwards

Yesterday, 07:05 PM
STOCKTONE
Wisper Amongst the Noise


ay bro
I know my answer was simply vague when it came to who told him to write it, but isn't that the typical answer? Sorry, I know it wasn't logical but you know how minds of theists work. Peace
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[2-0-NINE]

So it's a give or take, That's my best Response, God told him to, what's the purpose of putting my Message on the Board for? That's the reason for PMs, Private Messages, but like I said it's a give or take, and that's my best response, Logical or not.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Firstly, you're mistaken.. I never once suggested to differentiate between what "John" quotes Jesus as saying and his accounts of Jesus. I'm questioning the validity of the entire book, as are most of todays theological scholars. Logic simply tells me that something's just different in his style of writing and his descriptions, plus his Gospel's the hardest to identify as authentic and the hardest to date. I personally have more trust in the synoptics, but that's me.. Like I said, I don't believe in the entire Bible, and I think that you assume me to be a particular denomination of Christian or something, in that you believe I must follow your format of thinking. And my question to you is why would you question what I believe and not the early churches? Where are the Gnostic Gospels and why did Protestants take books out of the Bible?

You wrote:

And I don't recall me asking you for John's opinion on Jesus and his origins, but to provide a quote from Jesus stating that he was God, or "the word"..

So then what are your conditions exactly?

So far I got:

1) Cannot quote anything written by John.
2) Must be a statement from Jesus.

Anything else?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

No, but this is Johns book telling how it was when jesus was around.
If I give you and another person quotes of a man and i told you to write a book tellin me what you get from the quotes about this man, will both of you have the same version of this man?


The Gospel of John is the fourth gospel in the canon of the New Testament, traditionally ascribed to John the Evangelist. Like the three synoptic gospels, it contains an account of some of the actions and sayings of Jesus, but differs from them in ethos and theological emphases. The purpose is expressed in the conclusion, 20:30-31: "...these [Miracles of Jesus] are written down so you will come to believe that Jesus is the Anointed, God's son — and by believing this have life in his name."[1]

Of the four gospels, John presents the highest christology, declaring Jesus to be God both explicitly and implicitly, according to Trinitarianism, see also Trinitarianism— Scripture and tradition[2]. Compared to the synoptics, John focuses on Jesus' cosmic mission to redeem humanity over the earthly mission to cast out demons and comfort the poor.

^ sounds no more jesus' story than johns story

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So basically you're implying that John got it wrong about Jesus, but Matthew, Luke and Mark got it right??

The same logic can apply to all of the authors. What reason have you provided that one should accept these others but not John?

 

[HERESY]

it doesnt seem like it when he sent this afterwards

Yesterday, 07:05 PM
STOCKTONE
Wisper Amongst the Noise


ay bro
I know my answer was simply vague when it came to who told him to write it, but isn't that the typical answer? Sorry, I know it wasn't logical but you know how minds of theists work. Peace

It doesn't seem like it?

Hemp, are you able to answer my question when I ask you who told Mohammad to Write the Teaching of the Koran? Or will you simply tell me the exact same thing I'll tell you, that God Inspired it?

and

I just answered with a rhetorical reply. I know you're not a Muslim, but typically speaking, I would just have to Answer it was God Inspired.

Both of these came BEFORE he sent you a PM, so how can you say it doesn't seem like it? The man answered your question now answer his, and what is up with the majority of people dancing and sidestepping questions?

 

[Hemp]

so "god" told him huh?
what makes him any different than mohammed n jesus?

 

[HERESY]

so "god" told him huh?
what makes him any different than mohammed n jesus?

Is that an answer to the question?

 

[Hemp]

Is that an answer to the question?

what do you want?
you want me to say "Yes , God inspired it."

that doesnt change anything, because that still makes mohammed no different than jesus, and jesus no different than john.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Just Attempt to answer the question, all he wants, or as a matter of fact, all we want is an attempt for an answer, right, wrong, contrary to our opinion, or on par, just answer with your own answer.

 

[Hemp]

Just Attempt to answer the question, all he wants, or as a matter of fact, all we want is an attempt for an answer, right, wrong, contrary to our opinion, or on par, just answer with your own answer.

repeat the question please because i dont know which question you are talking about anymore.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Hemp, are you able to answer my question when I ask you who told Mohammad to Write the Teaching of the Koran? Or will you simply tell me the exact same thing I'll tell you, that God Inspired it?

..

 

[Hemp]

and once again, why are you asking me this question? what does this have to do with anything i stand by?

all this does is show the flaw in your belief system, and in mohammeds.
not mine.

 

[Hemp]

its like 206 asking you the question i asked and then you tellin him "if i told you who inspired mohammed , will you answer like me?"

you see what im sayin

 

[2-0-NINE]

Just answer it, I believe Jesus is Moshiach, Elohim, Yahweh, Adonai, El-Shaddai, El Elyon, you get the picture, just answer it, don't sidestep, plain answer, that's all I want please.

its like 206 asking you the question i asked and then you tellin him "if i told you who inspired mohammed , will you answer like me?"

you see what im sayin

Then I would have to say the Same thing, that God Inspired The Men of the Bible, just like how muslims or your parents believe God or Gabriel Inspired Mohammad.

 

[Hemp]

Just answer it, I believe Jesus is Moshiach, Elohim, Yahweh, Adonai, El-Shaddai, El Elyon, you get the picture, just answer it, don't sidestep, plain answer, that's all I want please.



Then I would have to say the Same thing, that God Inspired The Men of the Bible, just like how muslims or your parents believe God or Gabriel Inspired Mohammad.

ok so since God inspired mohammed, then you think mohammed must be valid also correct?

since you follow the fact that God inspired john.
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although if you ask me, i think Mohammed inspired himself with his own belief that it was God that inspired him. Makin mohammed belief invalid just as it would make johns as fake as any mans inspiritation.

ESPECIALLY when this man isnt a prophet, making his inspiration from God being the same as any priest or Sheikh.

this isnt convincing in Any way whatsoever.
especially when it is john that we are talking about and not a holy man.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Can you please just answer my question, it still hasn't been answered, and no, but at least I have my reason, and made an attempt to answer.