PRODUCERS & Beat makers ( BAY AREA)

[sickassmick]

I just recently finnished a track with chillious... i sent him the original beat in mp3, he put some vocals to it, told me how he wanted it arranged, what might be too loud, to quiet, etc. and I reworked to specs (for the most part) and resent it to him, gave him a link for high quality file.. and that was that.
plus you can't call me a producer, cuz i aint gettin payed.. i did that all free. I don't care about a title, i simply make music, like to do it and thats it. as long as there aint nothing wrong with being a beat maker. i agree tho with most of what you say, but let people have oppinions, who gives a shit.

 

[Ear2DaStreets]

Chuck hit it right on the fuckin head and cats still dont get it! Production is way bigger then "havin knock" it's making the sound big and the levels corect and placing the proper instruments togeather...but that doesn't mean that a producer has to mix his own music because truthfully the most slappin (sonic wise) shit Ric Rock ever produced was mixed by Duro...but I will say this that "real producer" sound has less to do with talent as it has to do wit money... I have heard shit on mixtapes that wasn't mastered and it sounded o.k...then they sent that shit to the Hit Factory or Bernnie Grundmen and the shit sounds like magic happend...I wounder if some of these "beat makers" had they shit mastered at some of these big wig mixing plants and there shit was mixed by some of the best mixers in the country would we then call them "real producers"....

 

[Done Deal Ceo]

Yeah aint nothing wrong with a beat maker but step it up for all of us, add some live guitars, some real pianos, shit violin players all sorts of shit dont be afraid to do different shit cuz it aint Mobb or the typical bay sound! Have nuts to experiment!

 

[Sav Scorcese]

I want yall to peep my soundclick page and peep the song Homicide to see if the production is cool.

 

[sav-man]

Groovy!

Yeah aint nothing wrong with a beat maker but step it up for all of us, add some live guitars, some real pianos, shit violin players all sorts of shit dont be afraid to do different shit cuz it aint Mobb or the typical bay sound! Have nuts to experiment!

Sure. That's what I like about most of your Done Deal artists' music so far, Chuck (the willingness to experiment w/ production was especially evident, IMHO, on RUNS IN THE FAMILY). Icy Mike and Mr. Peete come thorough every time, and I saw on Big Rich's recent thread that you guys are going to use some other fellows as well on future releases! Good luck!

But it seems like you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. If you stick to a Mob sound, you're accused of not being up-to-date. But if you come w/ something different than before (i.e. 40 and Lynch's recent production), you get pissed on for not sticking w/ the old sound! LMFAO! But variety is a cool thing to have in production...

PEACE!

 

[Sick Wid It]

I posted this a long time ago but since this subject has come up yet again..... Here:

The person who 'made the beat' is called a COMPOSER. Not a "producer". All of you who can't grasp the concept must be confused by the fact that a lot of the time the people behind the music take on more than just one role.

Credits are (or atleast should be) appropriated on the basis of what work you actually did on the song. NO, people who make beats are not automatically producers.

It's the same process to create songs whether you are doing rap, country, rock, jazz, gosphel, folk, whatever the fuck man. As far as I've seen, it's only in rap music where this controversy exists. I believe that people argue what the appropriate credits are because they don't have a clear understanding of what the terms mean. By a lot of the posts I've read, thats pretty obvious.

Artist:
The person(s) who performs a song.

Composer:
The person(s) who writes the musical aspect of a song.

Writer:
The person(s) who writes the lyrical aspect of a song.

Producer:
The person(s) who make fundamental decisions about the different elements of a song to create a final piece of work.

Recording Engineer:
The person(s) in charge of overseeing the actual recording process of a song.

Mix Engineer:
The person(s) in charge of overseeing the mixing process of all of the recorded elements of a song.

Mastering Engineer:
The person(s) responsible for the 'mastering' stage. The optional final stage before the song is in completed form.

These definitions are not negotiable! The ONLY aspect of this that you can even debate is the amount of input it takes to justify a credit. As far as I'm concerned, for a person to be given a certain credit, they must have made SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS which directly affected the end result at any stage of the song making process.

One last thing... Nobody is legally obligated to provide written credits for ANY task performed in the song creating process. That is a condition of your contract!

 

[Angie]

anybody can slap a beat together. A PRODUCER will sit with an artist, construct the song, tell the artist how the track should be laid out, give his 2 cents on certain matters and parts of the song, advice on delivery, tone, EVERYTHING...then when the song is completely laid out and recorded, that producer will MIX the song!! Thats a producer's job...if you're just slangin' beats, you're a beat maker for whoever the beat goes to...and should only get partial production credits since production is so much more than what you lay out with a keyboard and drum machine/sampler.

So true...but too many artists in the bay don't want the producer to fully "produce" the track...they just wanna "buy some beats"

 

[Angie]

Re: Groovy!

But it seems like you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. If you stick to a Mob sound, you're accused of not being up-to-date. But if you come w/ something different than before (i.e. 40 and Lynch's recent production), you get pissed on for not sticking w/ the old sound!

THIS SHIT IS SOOOOOOOOO TRUE!!!

 

[BigDS.S.F.]

i agree but disagree, i dont think if someone doesnt feel a rik rok beat dont mean hes hatin, just not feelin it, i feel most but not all. and 100% agree wit producer/beat maker. i record all of the shit and mix it, set the chorus in place, all that shit while recordin, but anyone with equiptment can make a beat like in 10 minutes (can still be tight) and call themselves a producer. im not sure who said it , but how much was it worth for someone to produce, mix and all that???

good thread

 

[Angie]

good thread

yep!

 

[G-Dubb]

Yeah a lot of rappers don't want someone to "produce" their track, they just want to buy some beats. There's two ends to the equasion. Sometimes the producer just makes a beat and leaves it at that, but a lot of times the artist just wants to pick up a beat as-is, throw a couple pre-written verses on it, buy a feature and leave it at that. There's a lot of people rushing to put shit out and don't sit down together to do the whole track.

And mob shit is still tight if you do it right.

 

[Sick Wid It]

No, no, no, no, no. "Making beats" does NOT define what a "producers" job is. Recording does NOT define what a "producers" job is. Cut & pasting chorus parts does NOT define what a "producers" job is.

I replied to this thread on page 2. Go read it. There shouldn't be ANYMORE confusion about this!

 

[Mista CaNE]

Chuck, we gotta coupple beat cds from davey for u... holla

 

[Sydal]

An Executive Producer is somebody who fronts the financials for the project, they have VERY LITTLE to do with the formation of shit, unless they take on another role....a good example of an executive producer is Suge Knight!!

 

[RODZILLA]

Artist:
The person(s) who performs a song.

Composer:
The person(s) who writes the musical aspect of a song.

Writer:
The person(s) who writes the lyrical aspect of a song.

Producer:
The person(s) who make fundamental decisions about the different elements of a song to create a final piece of work.

Recording Engineer:
The person(s) in charge of overseeing the actual recording process of a song.

Mix Engineer:
The person(s) in charge of overseeing the mixing process of all of the recorded elements of a song.

Mastering Engineer:
The person(s) responsible for the 'mastering' stage. The optional final stage before the song is in completed form.

These definitions are not negotiable! The ONLY aspect of this that you can even debate is the amount of input it takes to justify a credit. As far as I'm concerned, for a person to be given a certain credit, they must have made SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS which directly affected the end result at any stage of the song making process.

this pretty much sums it up...and yes, sometimes 1 person takes 3 or 4 of those roles...especially in the independent game....I agree tho, it's weak when artists just get a beat from a beat maker and do whatever on it....When I'm givin a beat to an artist I like to sit there with them and analyze everything and actually construct somethin rather than just puttin tha beat in and spittin....

 

[Sick Wid It]

I agree tho, it's weak when artists just get a beat from a beat maker and do whatever on it....

I can't stress enough how important it is to regulate who/what is done with your music. Cats who make beats and want any kind of longevity or REAL money CAN'T let just anyone do whatever over their music. That's career suicide and most cats allowing that to happen don't even have a career yet!

Having done the beats to a thousand shitty songs means absolutely nothing while having done the beat to one HOT song could break you into the business and get you work you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

Remember, people judge the entire body of work. The average listener doesn't dissect songs. If they hear it and think it's shit then they automatically associate 'shitty music' to whoevers name is attached to it. Like it or not, that's how it is.

 

[RODZILLA]

I can't stress enough how important it is to regulate who/what is done with your music. Cats who make beats and want any kind of longevity or REAL money CAN'T let just anyone do whatever over their music. That's career suicide and most cats allowing that to happen don't even have a career yet!

mane....I agree wit that 151%

unless i consider them "my" artists and trust em with it....but U still have 2 have yur lil say in it....U kno?

wat pisses me off is these cats that make posts and display 10 of they beats on they soundclick page askin WHO WANT IT? $150 each....tryin 2 make quick chump change....I wanna kno, does anyone even take them cats serious?

 

[Done Deal Ceo]

Man an Executive ( well a good one) makes sure his investment is done right. I make sure everything we make is a RAW! Thats what I do I dont even put EXECUTIVE PRODUCER on my albums because all that is for egos even tho i was told i need to now, for business reasons. Im the Done Deal secratary, the janitor, the road manager i do it all but now i have hired help, to do it bigger everybody need to play their position. Every winning team has role players im not a producer i play my position i dont even pick our beats usually for the simple fact i like them to be produced! Everybody has a formula and we got one!

 

[Chillious]

sick ass mick is probably one of the hottest underground beat bakers (we making bread ya hear) thats emerged. hence why im all over his new joints. dont sleep on this cat. check his best work at my site.

 

[DeWalt]

Look at Lil John He got some of the quote unquote hottest shit right now and he makes beats with one hand on a cup of something, the reason people like his shit cause its mostly original and simple. THe bay has been using original beats for years but the thing is most of the time its not simple its very musical. We have Muscians making beats. Ive only witnessed 1drop making beats and its crazy...he can change up a beat real quick he can take straight accapellas and make a heater in less than half an hour. Sometimes If an artist makes their own beats he rides that shit perfect cause he made it. I dont knowwhat to say you just got to have it. I played steel pans in middle school but I cant read a lick of music. But I know I can make beats. and hopefully one day be regarded as good. Im just rambling....WHat im saying is The BAY is the SHIT weve been doing for years