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Kreep · Jan 30, 2006

I re-read your posts EDJ and you did kinda imply that Griese is better than Plummer. Not saying that's how you think, but by going off your posts, that's kinda what you implied...

Peep:

"HE WAS WORSE THAN gRIESE AND SHANNAHAN SHINED HIM UP TO HIS POTENTIAL. I BELIEVE THIS IS AS FAR AS PLUMER WILL EVA TAKE US AND POTENTIAL IS."

"^YOU CAN'T TURN A DUK INTO AN EAgLE, A HO INTO A HOUSE-WIFE. I BEg TO DIFFER ABOUT HIM BEIN' BETTER THAN gRIESE. gRIESE DIDN'T THROW SO MANY INTERCEPTIONS. PLUMMER IS THE INTERCEPTION THROWIN' KINg. CHEK HIS STATS IN ARIZONA, BEFORE HE CAME TO DENVER."

Now just by reading those 2 comments you definitely sounded like you feel Griese is better than Plummer, or at least not as bad a player as Plummer. If that's not what you think then that's coo, but by reading those 2 posts alone, that's definitely what it sounded like.

EDJ said:

OK now this makes a little bit more sense. Yea I agree, they both more or less are in the same boat, and Plummer ain't really that much more athletic than Griese was. I still think he's a little bit more consistent, but they both pretty much are on the same level talent wise. And if Plummer loses his starting spot, than Van Pelt could be his potential replacement, if not than they better sign someone next offseason to take his place.

thascary1 · Jan 30, 2006

EDJ said:

Why negative about Van Pelt? How many big games did he win at CSU? That is against the big schools of the Wac or Mountain West....He couldn't win a championship in a low tier division in college why the hell do you think he would do good against NFL teams?

He had a decent college career, but when it came to big games to win bowl games and division championships he couldn't do it.

Now Plummer...tell me a better qb than him that is available???? He has gotten progressivly better since being with Denver. Now you can look at his Arizona #'s, but I would ask you why? There is no qb that could have done any better than he did with that team. He lead that team to a playoff win all by himself!! They had noone on that team and he took them to the playoffs. Yes he had a bad year when he first came here but that is expected in the first year under this system..look at Elway too.

I am seriously tired of all this bad talk about Plummer coming from a bunch of fans. He has gotten better both on and off the field since he got here, and again you will not fins a better qb that's available.

Would you rather have Culpepper...I don't think so. How about Pennington (if you want a qb for 3 games a year take him). Let's see who else is available? Do you want Jay Fiedler?? or Aaron Brooks? How about Kurt Warner when they release him? Seriously there is noone better available.

EDJ · Jan 30, 2006

^AARON BROOKS AND KURT WARNER DON'T SOUND BAD, ATLEAST TO SEND A MESSAgE TO PLUMMER TO SHAPE UP. BUT I ALWAYS THOUgHT PLUMMER WAS A FLAKE. HOW MANY COMEBAKS DO HE HAVE? I'M JUST SAYIN', YOU CAN'T EXPECT THAT MUCH OUT OF HIM. IF WE HAVE A gOOD RUNNIN' gAME AND DEFENSE, THAN HE MIgHT FIT IN. BUT IF IT COMES TO HIM CARRYIN' THE TEAM, THEN HE IS NOT gONNA DO IT. HOW MANY YEARS HAS HE BEEN WITH DENVER? I AIN'T SAYIN' THAT HE SUKS ALL THE WAY, I'M JUST SAYIN' THE WAY YOU DESCRIBIN' VAN PELT IS EXACTLY HOW PLUMMER IS. AND PLUMMER'S BEEN MOLDED. VAN PELT HAS THE CHANCE TO BE MOLDED. LET'S JUST WAIT AND SEE TIL PLUMMER'S CONTRACT IS ABOUT TO BE OVER TO SEE IF HE'S WORTH RE-SIgNIN'.

KREEP,
ALL I IMPLIED WAS THAT PLUMMER AIN'T THAT MUCH BETTER THAN gRIESE. gRIESE WAS gOOD AT FIRST, BUT HE COULD NEVA LEAD US. JAKE SEEMS TO THRIVE ONE DAY, THEN gO BAK TO HIS CHOKIN' SELF(AFC CHAMPIONSHIP). I gUESS TIME WILL TELL. BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, SHANNAHAN AIN'T DUMB, AND DON'T BE SURPRISE IF WE DRAFT OR TRADE FOR A QB.

thascary1 · Jan 30, 2006

EDJ said:

Plummer has the most comebacks out of all active qb's!!!!

This is his third year, when shanny took over he even said it takes 3 years to fully understand the system, and look how good Plummer did this year. Brining in a new qb you will have the same 3 year learning curve for a qb of lesser quality...but yeah lets go get a new qb,

Dude brooks throws worse int's than Jake, and Kurt is a statue waiting to get hurn every play...Plummer is way better than both!!!

EDJ · Jan 30, 2006

THASCARY1,

YOU STRESSED, "Plummer has the most comebacks out of all active qb's!!!!"

IS THAT RIgHT? HOW MANY VERSUS MANNINg, BRADY, AND THE REST? SHOW THE DATA PLAYA? I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM PLAY A gAME I WOULD CONSIDER A COMEBAK, ATLEAST IN DENVER.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "This is his third year, when shanny took over he even said it takes 3 years to fully understand the system, and look how good Plummer did this year."

I AgREE AND LOOK AT WHAT HE DID STILL, AFTER ALL THAT COACHIN'. YOU CAN'T COACH NATURAL REACTION TO PRESSURE AND BAD HABITS. BUT LET'S CUT PLUMMER A BREAK. HIS 3RD YEAR IS UP AND FROM HERE ON OUT, AIN'T NO MORE EXCUSES, RIgHT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Brining in a new qb you will have the same 3 year learning curve for a qb of lesser quality...but yeah lets go get a new qb"

IF PLUMMER IS THE BEST TO OFFER IN THE NFL, THEN WE MIgHT AS WELL LOWER OUR EXPECTATIONS. I KNOW IT TAKES AROUND THAT MUCH FOR THAT LEARNIN' CURVE AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT AIN'T ROCCET SCIENCE THAT VAN PELT WAS BROUgHT IN FOR A REASON. HE KILLED ONE YEAR, LET'S SEE WHAT HE CAN LEARN WHILE PLUMMER FINISHES OFF HIS CONTRACT. PLUMMER AIN'T THE ONE AND HE PROVED IT CHAMPIONSHIP TIME. I AIN'T SAYIN' TO BOOT THE MUTHA-FUKA ASAP. I'M JUST SAYIN' THAT HE STILL HAS TO PROVE HIMSELF. JAKE THE FLAKE AIN'T FOOLED ME YET. HE HAS TO CARRY THE TEAM SOME HOW AND HE AIN'T DID THAT YET IN MY EYES. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU SO FOND OF THE MUTHA-FUKA.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Dude brooks throws worse int's than Jake"

BUT HE CAN LEARN JUST LIKE JAKE RIgHT? BUT HE CAN PUT PRESSURE AgAINST PLUMMER FOR THE QB JOB, SO PLUMMER KNOW THIS AIN'T ONLY A gAME. MAYBE THEN HE'LL SHAPE UP.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "and Kurt is a statue waiting to get hurn every play..."

BUT HE'LL PUT PRESSURE ON JAKE TO BE BETTER. PLUS HE KNOWS HOW TO gET A RINg. DOES JAKE?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Plummer is way better than both!!!"

I WOULD ARgUE THAT POINT BUT THERE'S ALL KIND OF VARIABLES. BUT I BET YOU IF KURT WAS YOUNgER OR AARON BROOKS CAME TO LEARN FOR 3 YEARS THE SYSTEM AND BE POLISHED LIKE PLUMMER, THAT HE CAN THRIVE. BUT REgARDLESS OF YOUR OPINION, PLUMMER IS STILL A CHOKE ARTIST JUST LIKE gRIESE, AND YOU CAN'T DENY THAT FACT!

thascary1 · Jan 31, 2006

EDJ said:

show the data?? http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/2006-01-22-plummer-sidebar_x.htm read the little plummer file in the middle. Dude he is not the only reason they lost that game. The o-line didn't block for him...wtf was he supposed to do? When the o-line doesn't block, or the d brings more then the o-line has you have to get rid of the ball quick...again look at Manning, they frustrated him as well...it's the d more than a bad qb!!

No excuses was your second comment. I agree no more excuses...7 ints all year..what more does he have to do to make you understand he is a better qb than when in sorry ass Az or when he first got here..no qb is going to play all 16 games and throw no Picks..NO QB!!!! SO what more do you want than only 7 picks all year??

Lower expectations because of jake??? dude he is in the top 5-10 qb's in the nfl right now....that means 22-27 other teams would love to have a qb of plaummers quality...will we get our hands on the ones better than him..uhh no..again what more do you want?? Van Pelt was brought in for this reason??? Van Pelt was an average qb but could make plays with his legs in college...dude the NFL is faster and he will suck it up if he ever starts, boy couldn't win a big game in college what makes you think he will in NFL???

Brooks and Warner..are you serious?? Warner is no threat..in our offense you need a running qb..warner is no threat...Brooks can run, but can't throw..he couldn't handle an easy system in New Orleans, there is no way he could handle a complicated system like Denver. I hate Van Pelt but he is better than both of those qbs in this system. There is no other qb better available right now.

You say he is a choke artist. what do you have to back that up? Only 1 qb a year can win the big one..and the last 10 years it has been average qb's (other than Brady). Seriously, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson????? Plummer is better than them, but those teams had HUGE d's behind them. Denver's d is good but not awesome. Their defense is as much to blame for the Pitt loss as Plummer is.

Was plummer out there letting the wr's be wide open on 3rd downs??? how about when it came to blocking the d-line coming in. Plummer was 1 piece..the whole team played bad that day, it didn't matter what qb you had we would have lost that day because the d couldn't stop them for anything.

Now should we go get a qb in the draft..I am all for that YES!!!!! But Plummer has to be the man until that qb is ready, and I for one think he is fine, like I said show me one better THAT IS AVAILABLE, and I may agree with you.

EDJ · Jan 31, 2006

THE SCARY1,
YOU CAN TELL YOU AIN'T REALLY LISTENIN' TO WHAT I'M REALLY STRESSIN' CAUSE AT THE END OF YOUR ARgUMENT, YOU END UP AgREEIN' WITH ME BUT STILL END UP DOUBTIN' WHAT'S THERE. LET ME BREAK IT ON DOWN AND SHOW YOU WHAT I'M STRESSIN'.....

YOU STRESSED," http://www.usatoday.com/sports/foot...r-sidebar_x.htm read the little plummer file in the middle."

I KNOW THEM COMEBAKS DIDN'T HAPPEN IN DENVER. AND YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, HE'S THREW MORE INTERCEPTIONS THAN NORMAL SINCE HE'S BEEN IN DENVER. LIKE I SAID, HE AIN'T SHOWED ME SHIT.

THEN YOU STRESSED," Dude he is not the only reason they lost that game. The o-line didn't block for him...wtf was he supposed to do?"

HE'S CALLED THE SNAKE FOR SAMETHIN'. HE WAS STARTIN' TO DO IT THE XND HALF OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP gAME. CAUSE PORTER WAS gETTIN' TO HIM AT FIRST, BUT COME THE XND HALF, HE WAS MIRACOUSLY ESCAPIN' TIL HE STARTED gIVIN' gIFTS AgAIN.

THEN YOU STRESSED," When the o-line doesn't block, or the d brings more then the o-line has you have to get rid of the ball quick...again look at Manning, they frustrated him as well...it's the d more than a bad qb!!"

THEY HAD ALL WEEK TO PREP FOR THAT SHIT. EVEN LEPSIS WAS FUCCIN' UP. THERE WASN'T NO EXCUSE. THEY SEEN THE COLTS gAME AND THEY SHOULD'VE ADJUSTED. BUT PLUMMER SHOULD OF HAD SOMETHIN' UP HIS SLEEVE. HE DIDN'T. YOU ACT LIKE PLUMMER WAS BARELY gETTIN' AWAY TO THROW THE BALL. THAT FOOL WAS UNDER-THROWIN' AND gIVIN' THEM EASY INTERCEPTIONS. HE KNOWN FOR THAT SHIT.

THEN YOU STRESSED," No excuses was your second comment. I agree no more excuses...7 ints all year..what more does he have to do to make you understand he is a better qb than when in sorry ass Az or when he first got here..no qb is going to play all 16 games and throw no Picks..NO QB!!!! SO what more do you want than only 7 picks all year??"

I UNDA-STAND THAT POINT AND I AIN'T ARgUIN' THAT. YOU ARE. IF HE CAN MINIMIZE THAT, ESPECIALLY COME CRUNCH TIME. JUST CAUSE HE BETTER HERE DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN'T IMPROVE.

THEN YOU STRESSED," Lower expectations because of jake??? dude he is in the top 5-10 qb's in the nfl right now....that means 22-27 other teams would love to have a qb of plaummers quality..."

MAN, YOU PUTTIN' THAT MAN UP ON A PEDESTAL. HE STILL A CHOKE ARTIST. IF THE RIgHT TEAM CAME WITH A gOOD TRADE PAKAgE DEAL(LET'S SAY 2 OR 3 YEARS FROM NOW OR WHENEVA HIS CONTRACT IS UP), THEN I WOULDN'T HESITATE TO ENTERTAIN THAT THOUgHT AND EXHAUST MY OPTIONS.

THEN YOU STRESSED," will we get our hands on the ones better than him..uhh no..again what more do you want?? "

SOMEBODY'S THAT IS NOT A CHOKE ARTIST?

THEN YOU STRESSED," Van Pelt was brought in for this reason??? Van Pelt was an average qb but could make plays with his legs in college...dude the NFL is faster and he will suck it up if he ever starts, boy couldn't win a big game in college what makes you think he will in NFL???"

YOU SOUND LIKE A BIg-HEADED MAINSTREAMER. VAN PELT CAN BE MOLDED, JUST LIKE ROD SMITH AND TERRELL DAVIS. THEY WASN'T NO FIRST-ROUND PIK OR IN SMITHS CASE, DRAFTED. OBVIOUSLY THE SCOUTS SEEN SAMETHIN' IN VAN PELT THAT YOU FAIL TO SEE. VAN PELT IS A FIgHTER AND CAN BE POLISHED. HE WAS DRAFTED FOR A REASON. PLUMMER AIN'T gOT THAT MUCH gAS IN HIM TO BEgIN WITH. HE'S A USED CHOKE ARTIST THAT HAS BEEN TAUgHT THIS SYSTEM AND AIN'T gOT THAT MANY MILES LEFT. IN OTHA WORDS, HE'S A HELLIFIED LEMON. VAN PELT HAS POTENTIAL WHETHA YOU AKNOWLEDgE IT OR NOT. ALL THEM COLLEgE DAYS ARE OVER. YOU THINK HE AIN'T LEARNT SAMETHIN' THIS FIRST YEAR? YOU THINK THIS BRONCO-ISM OF EXCELLIN' AIN'T RUBBED OFF?

THEN YOU STRESSED," Brooks and Warner..are you serious?? "

DO YOU READ CUZZ? I SAID TO BRINg EITHA OR TO SEND A MESSAgE TO PLUMMER. THAT'S WHY.

THEN YOU STRESSED," Warner is no threat..in our offense you need a running qb..warner is no threat...Brooks can run, but can't throw..he couldn't handle an easy system in New Orleans, there is no way he could handle a complicated system like Denver."

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT PLUMMER. BUT IF I WAS SHANNAHAN, I WOULD BRINg EITHA OR IN TO THREATEN PLUMMER, NOTHIN' MORE.

THEN YOU STRESSED," I hate Van Pelt but he is better than both of those qbs in this system. There is no other qb better available right now."

YEAH, IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS YOU HATE THE MAN. WHAT THE FUK HE EVA DO TO YOU? BUT I AgREE, HE'S BETTER THAN WARNER AND POSSIBLY BROOKS. BUT WHAT IS AVAILABLE NOW, IS NEITHA HERE NOR THERE CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY TO LEARN THE SYSTEM AND DETHRONE JAKE THE FLAKE IN DUE TIME. YOU ACT LIKE I WANT TO TRADE PLUMMER RIgHT NOW OR SAMETHIN.

THEN YOU STRESSED," You say he is a choke artist. what do you have to back that up?"

WHAT I gOT TO BAK THAT UP? MY OWN TWO EYES. I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND, YOU SEEN IT FIRSTHAND. THE LATEST WAS THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP gAME. IF YOU HAVE A FAN LIKE ME, THAT DON'T TRUST OUR QB OF SHOWIN' UP BUT NOT SHOWIN' UP, THEN YOU KNOW THERE'S PROBLEMS. WE NEVA LOST AT HOME IN THE PLAYOFFS OR THIS SEASON AND THIS SON OF A BITCH gONNA LET THAT HAPPEN. THAT JUST gOT ME WONDERIN' IF HE REALLY A BRONCO AT HEART.

THEN YOU STRESSED," Only 1 qb a year can win the big one..and the last 10 years it has been average qb's (other than Brady). "

OH, NOW YOU ON BRADY'S NUTS? BRADY IS OVER-RATED. FUK THAT PUNK. THAT'S WHY OUR DEFENSE SMASHED HIM. NOW I KNOW WHY YOU HAVE THEM PATRIOT COLORS STILL ON THE BRONCOS LOgO.

THEN YOU STRESSED," Seriously, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson????? Plummer is better than them, but those teams had HUGE d's behind them."

SO DID WE. HE COULDN'T CARRY US.

THEN YOU STRESSED," Denver's d is good but not awesome."

LET ME WIPE MY SCREEN. DID YOU JUST TYPE THAT NONSENSE? OUR "D" WAS MORE THAN AWESOME THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME, I FELT THAT WE COULD WHOOP N-E-BODY'S ASS EVEN IF WE HAD A SUBPAR QB LIKE PLUMMER. OUR "D" WAS MAgNIFICENT. HOW MANY PROBOWLERS DID WE HAVE?

THEN YOU STRESSED," Their defense is as much to blame for the Pitt loss as Plummer is."

THE WHOLE TEAM IS. BUT PLUMMER PUT THE 'D" IN THAT POSITION. EARLY ON WE HAD PIKS. IF WE WOULD OF HAD THOSE, IT WOULD OF BEEN A DIFFERENT gAME. ROTHLISBERgER REBOUNDED FROM THAT. AND PLUMMER SHO MADE IT EASIER. WE WAS EVEN COMIN' BAK AND WHAT THE FUK THIS DUMBFUK DO? RESORT TO HIS MALIgNED CHOKIN' ABILITIES.

THEN YOU STRESSED," Was plummer out there letting the wr's be wide open on 3rd downs???"

NO, BUT HE gAVE THE BALL UP, TO HAVE THEM WIDE RECEIVERS BAK ON THE FIELD WITH A TIRED "D".

THEN YOU STRESSED," how about when it came to blocking the d-line coming in."

PLUMMER ADJUSTED AND SO DID THE LINE AFTER THE 1ST HALF. BUT HE STILL gAVE AN EASY INTERCEPTION AND ANOTHA FUMBLE.

THEN YOU STRESSED," Plummer was 1 piece..the whole team played bad that day, it didn't matter what qb you had we would have lost that day because the d couldn't stop them for anything."

I AgREE. BUT I BELIEVE PLUMMER SET THE TEMPO FOR THAT. HE DIDN'T CARRY THE TEAM, SO IT WAS EASIER WITH A TIRED "D".

THEN YOU STRESSED," Now should we go get a qb in the draft..I am all for that YES!!!!! "

I AIN'T. WE JUST DRAFTED VAN PELT LAST YEAR. WE NEED SOME FRESH WIDE RECEIVERS. SMITH MIgHT SMASH OUT THIS COMIN' SEASON. YOU NEVA KNOW THOUgH, N-ETHANg TO PRESSURE PLUMMER.

THEN YOU STRESSED," But Plummer has to be the man until that qb is ready"

NO SHIT. THAT'S WHAT THE FUK I'VE BEEN SAYIN' ALL THIS TIME. gO RE-READ ALL OF MY POSTS IN THIS THREAD.

THEN YOU STRESSED," and I for one think he is fine, like I said show me one better THAT IS AVAILABLE, and I may agree with you."

YOU ACT LIKE WE NEED HIM ASAP, LIKE WE PLAYIN' TOMORROW. VAN PELT NEEDS TO LEARN THE CURVE AND JUST LIKE BUBBY BRISTER gOT SURPRISED, I FEEL THAT'S gONNA HAPPEN TO PLUMMER IF HE DON'T SHAPE UP. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYIN'.

thascary1 · Jan 31, 2006

Why do I hate Van Pelt??

Well first off I am a CO native so I have seen just about everyone 1 of his games. Nothing special against Sorry teams in the wac/mountain west...nothing compared to nfl calibur teams, but yes since he was mediocre at a small college he must be ready for NFL. No NFL team was lookin gat him as a QB except Denver. All the other teams said they would take him if he moved to wr or defense..he wanted none of that...for some reason Shanny seen something and signed him. Does that mean he is a spcial player? nope..see examples, Dale Carter, Mo Calrett....etc...

2nd. I have met the guy at a couple of times when he was still with csu. He is one of the most arrogant POS'S on this earth. He doesn't show it on TV because that's his front, but he acted like since He beat cu once, and hung in there with them a couple of other times he was the man of colorado? Hmmm no, he only beat them once, and the times they lost was against mediocre cu teams who were not much better than the best wac/mountain west team. So his whole success so far has been against so so teams.

3rd. He is another Plummer. You are so down on Plummer yet Van Pelt is his clone. The only thing is Plummer is better in all phases of the game. Plummer is faster and more agile. Plummer has a better arm than Van Pelt, and Plummer has more accuracy then Van Pelt. The only thing Van Pelt has on Plummer is age...that's it. Plummer was beter against better schools in college, and Plummer is a top tier NFL qb.

Dude Plummer was forced to throw bad passes because the d couldn't stop SHIT that game. Most of those 3rd downs they let them get were wide open wr's IN THE FIRST HALF!!!!!! Plummer didn't implode until the last 2 minutes of the first half. If that d would have gotten off thier asses and stopped them on third downs then the half time score would have been close and who know from there, but the d was SHIT!!!!

You really think this d was awesome enough to compare to Tampa or Baltimore when they won the Bowls??? HELL NO!!! They were good, but no way close to those teams. we had 2 pro bowlers on d...that's it Champ and Lynch!!! Look what Tampa and Baltimore sent those years 3,4 + d side players

Now you say those comebacks didn't happen in Denver...of course they didn't...Denver is better than AZ and he was able to get early leads here. In az he was the only player they had so he was forced to comeback. If he can bring back some sorry ass az teams in the 4th quarter then that proves to me he is clutch when given the chance. and no he isn't throwing more ints here, he has 2 years of single digit ints here....he never came close to that in AZ.

we can agree to disagree I guess....lol

EDJ · Feb 1, 2006

^MAN, YOU CONTRADICTIN' YOURSELF. IF VAN PELT IS LIKE PLUMMER THAN WHY WOULDN'T YOU LIKE HIM? BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HATE VAN PELT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. JUST KNOW THAT WE(BRONCOS) KNOWN TO gET DIAMONDS OUT THE ROUgH.

AND THE "D" DIDN'T PLAY AS gOOD AS THEY POTENTIAL THAT gAME, I'LL ADMIT THAT, BUT THEY WASN'T THE ONES HANDIN' PITTBURgH THE BALL. AND YOU FORgOT TO MENTION AL WISON AND TREVOR PRYCE AS KEY PLAYERS AND PRO-BOWLERS.

BTW, I NEVA SAID PLUMMER THREW MORE INTERCEPTIONS HERE. ALL I SAID IS THAT HE A CHOKE ARTIST. HE DID IT FIRST gAME OF THE SEASON, HE DID IT LAST gAME OF THE POSTSEASON. BUT HE STILL HAS TO PROVE HIMSELF IN MY EYES AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYIN'. IT SEEMS HE REALLY gOTS YOU CONVINCED.

thascary1 · Feb 1, 2006

EDJ said:

Read why I don't like him, I can't write it anymore clear!!!

He has less of an arm, less speed, and less accuracy then Plummer. He went to a small time school and still couldn't win, Plummer went to a bigger school and won. Van Pelt is only a local boy does good story. If he was even a decent qb he would have been drafted as that, but not 1 of the the 31 teams looked at him as a qb, they all wanted him to move to wr or d-side of the ball.

Can the Broncos have a diamond in the rough sure....but I tend to believe that 31 other teams didn't get it wrong.

You are right I forgot to mention Big Al for the pro bowl...but Pryce did not get picked!

EDJ · Feb 1, 2006

^31 TEAMS OVER-LOOKED SOME OF OUR OTHA STARS BEFORE, SO THAT AIN'T AN EXCUSE. BUT YEAH, YOU SAY VAN-PELT HAS WEAKER NATURAL ABILITIES THAN PLUMMER AND I gUESS THAT'S YOUR REASON. I SAY WE ENJOY THE RIDE AND SEE. PLUMMER DESPITE HIS NUMBERS CHOKED WHEN IT COUNTED MOST, AND THAT'S MY MAIN POINT. YOU ON THE OTHA HAND DON'T BELIEVE HE'S A CHOKE ARTIST. I gUESS WE'LL SEE ANOTHA SEASON TO SEE WHO'S MORE RIgHT.

AND TREVOR PRYCE DESERVED TO gO TO THE PRO-BOWL. SURE HIS SAK NUMBERS WERE LOW, BUT THAT CAN BE MISLEADIN'. IF THEY ONLY COUNTED HURRIES AND PRESSURE TO THE QB. THIS YEAR I NOTICED HIM MORE FOR MAKIN' gREAT DEFENSIVE PLAYS AND PUTTIN' MORE PRESSURE. LIFE AIN'T FAIR.

thascary1 · Feb 1, 2006

EDJ said:

I see your point, but I would argue this....was Elway a choke artist? He couldn't win big games (sb's)either until he had TD and that defense.

31 teams could be wrong, But see we didn't get Van Pelt until 7th round (late 7th actually) so he was overlook by everyone for just about the whole draft. Our other finds TD, 6th round, but was a hurt player in college so there was excuse for dropping low. Rod Smith is just a hard worker, and combines don't show that until someone actually gives them a chance...etc..where as van pelt was seen by everyone evaluated by everyone and was still passed over at that position. Alot of teams liked the guy and like him as a football player, but none wanted him as a QB.

Pryce was good this year...he's been better. So you will be sad when he gets cut then huh? They are either going to have him restructure, and if he nixes that then they will cut him.

EDJ · Feb 1, 2006

^THEY gONNA CUT PRYCE? AH MAN........ WTF? JUST WHEN OUR "D" WAS FINALLY LOOKIN' SOLID. HOW YOU KNOW THIS?
AND YEAH, I WAS MAD AT ELWAY, BUT IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT(OR LAK OF EFFORT), BUT ATLEAST WE MADE IT TO THE SUPERBOWL. NEVA DID WE LOSE AN AFC CHAMPIONSHIP(ESPECIALLY AT HOME) TIL JAKE THE FLAKE SHOWS UP(OR IN THIS CASE, DOESN'T SHOW UP). AND ELWAY gOT TD AND A DEFENSE, JUST LIKE THIS YEAR WE HAD A DOUBLE THREAT IN THE RUNNIN' gAME AND A gREAT DEFENSE, AND THIS MUTHA-FUKA CHOKES WHEN IT COUNTED. NO EXCUSES.

AND I SEE WHAT THE BRONCOS SEE IN VAN PELT. HE VERSATILE AND COACHABLE. YOU CAN'T TEACH THAT SHIT. BUT THE ONLY WAY I'LL FEEL LIKE YOU ABOUT VAN PELT, IS WHEN HE HAS HAD TIME TO LEARN AND PUT OUT THERE AND CHOKES TIME AFTER TIME.

thascary1 · Feb 1, 2006

EDJ said:

Look at his cap number. His base is around 7 mil with him actually counting a little over 10 mil this next year. They cannot and will not pay that much for him. So they will ask him to restructure or he will be cut and brought back for less, unless some other team is crazy enough to sign him for that much. IS he a beast yes!! but with age and injuries he only has a couple of years left and just isn't worth the big cap hit. I don't want to see him go either, but at that pryce...lol we cannot afford to keep him.

EDJ · Feb 1, 2006

^I HOPE HE RESTRUCTURES OR DO WHAT SHARPE DID. BUT IF HE gOES, WHO YOU THINK IS A gOOD REPLACEMENT?

thascary1 · Feb 1, 2006

EDJ said:

It would have to be a draft pick I would think, because anyone else already in the league would cost a pretty penny. They have 2 #1's this year, the first should go to another DB, the second should go to a dl player. Then 2 or 3rd round go after a wr, then 3 or 4 round go after a qb. Re-sign what we have out there...like lepsis and Nalen and Warren, then we should be set for a couple more years.

EDJ · Feb 1, 2006

^I DISAgREE WITH YOUR CHOICE OF PIKS. FIRST SHOULD BE A WR, THEN A DEFENSIVE LINE, THEN QB, AND AFTER THAT, A DB.

thascary1 · Feb 2, 2006

EDJ said:

There is no wr worth paying first round money to this year. There will probably be 2 that go first round (maybe), Santonio Holmes from osu, and Sinorice Moss from Miami. They could possibly go first round but I don't think would be worth the money as niether are gamebreakers. Go get the db help first, then worry about d-line and wr next!

EDJ · Feb 2, 2006

^HOW YOU FIgURE WE NEED HELP IN DB?

thascary1 · Feb 2, 2006

EDJ said:

Lynch has maybe 1 year left, and I am sure in a year or 2 these rooks, or roc alexander will be looking for huge contracts...you can never have too much depth there.

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Sicc OG