Pope Decries Ideology of Evil

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Pope: Gay marriage is 'evil'



ROME, Italy (Reuters) -- Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in his newly published book.

In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.

He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.

The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.

In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.

"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.

The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.

In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War Two.

'Legal extermination'
In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.

"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.

"And this time we are talking about an extermination which has been allowed by nothing less than democratically elected parliaments where one normally hears appeals for the civil progress of society and all humanity," he writes.

In Germany, a leader of the country's Central Council of Jews called the comparison unacceptable.

At a news conference presenting the book, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Vatican's top doctrinal official, dismissed the Jewish charges.

Ratzinger said the Pope "was not trying to put the Holocaust and abortion on the same plane" but only warning that evil lurked everywhere, "even in liberal political systems."

In another section, the Pope describes at length the assassination attempt on May 13, 1981, when Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Agca shot and nearly killed him in St Peter's Square.

Of Agca, the Pope writes the assassination attempt was "not his initiative, someone else masterminded it and someone else commissioned it."

Two trials in the early 1980s failed to prove prosecutors' suspicions that Bulgaria's secret services had masterminded a plot to kill the Pope on behalf of the Soviet Union.

At the time the Polish Pope was a strong supporter of the Solidarity trade union in his native Poland and the Soviet Union saw Solidarity as a threat to the stability of the communist bloc.

The Pope says the assassination attempt against him was perhaps "the last convulsion" of the ideologies of the 20th century -- a clear reference to the Communist bloc.


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It is evil he is just saying the truth. Being gay is a product of evil. If we would have elected that fag Kerry the world would have gone to shit morally. Fuck that Iam glad that douche bag lost. Nadar should have won.
 
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Rob S4 said:
It is evil he is just saying the truth. Being gay is a product of evil. If we would have elected that fag Kerry the world would have gone to shit morally. Fuck that Iam glad that douche bag lost. Nadar should have won.
You are one dumb bitch mayne, nader would have signed bills allowing gay marriage.
 

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Rob S4 said:
It is evil he is just saying the truth. Being gay is a product of evil. If we would have elected that fag Kerry the world would have gone to shit morally. Fuck that Iam glad that douche bag lost. Nadar should have won.

maybe u should rethinkg ur definition of "evil"...how about u hating gay people, is that not evil? MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY....this is such fucking bullshit. conservatives think they have proper morals? their idea of morals is fucking sick. its "christian morals" and at that, they dont realize how hypocritical they are. MORALLY...i just cant get that word out of my head, people have no idea what they are talking about.


u tell me whos more moral.

Bush-basic idea-"I dont believe in and support abortion because my religion is against it"-which goes against EVERY FUCKING THING this country stands for and is built on.

kerry-"now, my religion may be against abortion, and my beliefs may be against it, but as president, i wont let that conflict with my decisions concerning it."
 
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DubbC415 said:
maybe u should rethinkg ur definition of "evil"...how about u hating gay people, is that not evil? MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY MORALLY....this is such fucking bullshit. conservatives think they have proper morals? their idea of morals is fucking sick. its "christian morals" and at that, they dont realize how hypocritical they are. MORALLY...i just cant get that word out of my head, people have no idea what they are talking about.


u tell me whos more moral.

Bush-basic idea-"I dont believe in and support abortion because my religion is against it"-which goes against EVERY FUCKING THING this country stands for and is built on.

kerry-"now, my religion may be against abortion, and my beliefs may be against it, but as president, i wont let that conflict with my decisions concerning it."

Nobody is moral, nobody is perfect. We're all sinners. Bush isn't moral, neither is Kerry. The difference is some people struggle to become Christ-like, and others dont.
 
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TOKZTLI said:
Nobody is moral, nobody is perfect. We're all sinners. Bush isn't moral, neither is Kerry. The difference is some people struggle to become Christ-like, and others dont.
You totally missed his point, the duties of the president is NOT to let his own personal and moral beliefs interfere with his civil-service. When religion and government mix the outcome is usually a mess.

I don't care if you are catholic, you should want society and government to progress instead of allowing a church to influence it, which henders the progress of democratic societies.
 

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^^^exactly...im just talking about the "Separation" between the two, and personal faith should not be the basis for why u run things. one reason is because its hypocritical of american foundation.
 
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TOKZTLI said:
Nobody is moral, nobody is perfect. We're all sinners. Bush isn't moral, neither is Kerry. The difference is some people struggle to become Christ-like, and others dont.
DAMN ROBS4....dubbc415 just LIT U UP!!!

everything he just said IS ABSOLUTELY the truth....i cant believe conservatives try to lecture on morals...bush doesnt support stem cell research or access to canadian drugs....WHAT A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT rtyin to lecture on morals...PEOPLE are dyin to live and bush is making the future look more bleek for people who really need the drugs/research.

FUCK BUSH for playing this religious card...get that shit outta my country...i dont want it...and it was founded not to include it...

FUCK THE POPE...sayin all that BS....but who really gives a shit about what he says??....lol!!!.....DOES ANYONE CARE?....

i swear BUSH has divided this country LIKE NO OTHER....and its just getting thicker...
 

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^^^and the thing, is thats how people think it should be. "im this, i support this, and im sticking to it". like, its not about change anymore, its just ab out what u stand for and who u support. being divided has become popular.
 
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1/2 On It said:
You totally missed his point, the duties of the president is NOT to let his own personal and moral beliefs interfere with his civil-service. When religion and government mix the outcome is usually a mess.

I don't care if you are catholic, you should want society and government to progress instead of allowing a church to influence it, which henders the progress of democratic societies.

I was answering his rhetorical question: Who is more moral, Kerry or Bush.

I didnt address the rest. but now that you bring it up, how is homosexual marriage a step forward in the progression of a democratic society?
 
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AGENT707 said:
DAMN ROBS4....dubbc415 just LIT U UP!!!

everything he just said IS ABSOLUTELY the truth....i cant believe conservatives try to lecture on morals...bush doesnt support stem cell research or access to canadian drugs....WHAT A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT rtyin to lecture on morals...PEOPLE are dyin to live and bush is making the future look more bleek for people who really need the drugs/research.

FUCK BUSH for playing this religious card...get that shit outta my country...i dont want it...and it was founded not to include it...

FUCK THE POPE...sayin all that BS....but who really gives a shit about what he says??....lol!!!.....DOES ANYONE CARE?....

i swear BUSH has divided this country LIKE NO OTHER....and its just getting thicker...

Did you even read the article? I fail to see what Bush has to do with the topic. The article describe's a book written by the Pope and his stance on the new ideology of evil.
 
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TOKZTLI said:
Did you even read the article? I fail to see what Bush has to do with the topic. The article describe's a book written by the Pope and his stance on the new ideology of evil.
did u even read the other posts!!!!!!!??????????

i fail to see how u didnt notice other people talking about morals

AND I DID MAKE COMMENTS ON THE POPE....

u better come with more than that....LOL....read ALL THE posts homie,,
 
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AGENT707 said:
did u even read the other posts!!!!!!!??????????

i fail to see how u didnt notice other people talking about morals

AND I DID MAKE COMMENTS ON THE POPE....

u better come with more than that....LOL....read ALL THE posts homie,,

How can we discuss the main theme of this thread if you get distracted by other people's posts? Stay on topic buddy and we can have a discussion. I replied to one rhetorical question and automatically that is the main subject of this thread? Doesn't make sense, does it.