Pacquiao vs Marquez IV [Today]

[2-0-Sixx]

David Diaz was a C level fighter at best, and Manny ducked Nate Campbell who beat Juan Diaz to become #1 at 135lb and he had 3 of the belts.

Ricky Hatton already got KO’ed by Mayweather and was on coke.

Oscar at 147lb a weight he didn’t fight in 7 years weight drained.

Cotto at a catch weight of 145lb, only after the Margarito beating and the hard fight with Clottey.

As always you missed the point entirely. The discussion was that oh well since Pac hadn't been KO'ing opponents since Cotto he must have stopped taking PEDs. I said look at the opponents. You're basically just confirming what I'm saying in a haterism way without even knowing it.

Why didn’t Manny fight the winner of Cotto vs. Margarito you should be asking?

Because he was at 135 pounds moron. The only reason he went up to 147 was because of Oscar, a once in a lifetime opportunity that produced a big payday and worldwide fame.

[Pac basically ended Margarito's career, Margarito started the fight Mexican but left the fight Chinese].​

LOL really??

He sure did:

Mosley and Brother Nazim ended Margarito’s career Nazim by finding his hand wraps and Mosley by beating the living shit out of Margarito and actually knocking him out unlike Manny.

Shane beat him first obviously all the props to shane for that and Nazim. But he didn't end his career. See the pic above. Broken orbital bone that he never recovered from.

Again though you're still missing the point. The discussion was about Pac's power. My point was that while he didn't KO a number of guys they took damage, as shown by Margs face.

Mosley never recovered from landing those two bombs on Mayweather and then getting his ass brutally beat for 10 rounds by Mayweather.

Brutally beat? Really? It was a shutout after round 2 but certainly wasn't a brutal beating. A boxing clinic yes, brutal, no.

After that fight Mosley couldn’t pull the trigger anymore. Mosley fought like a bitch too but Manny was exposed he can’t hit a moving target and his stamina was getting bad. Which again why didn’t Manny fight the winner of Mayweather vs. Mosley? Lol Let the commission do their job.

The only thing Mosley did after getting dropped was run on his backfoot. Hard to look good against a guy like that but of course it's pacquiao so you'll call it "being exposed!"

[Bradley broke his feet from running so much]. Lol Really?? What fight were you watching?

The same fight everyone else saw who had manny winning easily.

Here, look at bradley squirming around terrified of getting hit. This is how he hurt his foot

Like I said bradley is an awkward fighter he wasn't running like shane but he wasn't really attempting to engage much either.

Manny again cherry-picked a 140lber and lost the fight.

That's not what you were saying before the fight, lying ass. You called it a great test for Pacquiao. Immediately after the fight you said you felt bad because of the decision, then you said it was a draw. Then of course you said Bradley won. Exposed as usual.

I know you guys love Manny but stop it with all the overhyping it’s over for now. 122-130lb Manny had a great career; 135-154 is all catch weights, media hype, great match making, and ducking random testing. Since being asked to be randomly tested 2009 dude hasn’t looked good at all in the ring. Ducking out on the superfight because of random testing will be a black cloud over Manny’s career. Manny is a HOF fighter but he’s over hyped..

At least Pac has fought more than 4 times in 5 years. But glad to see you can admit Pac is a hall of fame fighter. Not too bad for a guy that sucks.

 

[CZAR]

I actually agree that Mosley ending Marg's career. Well that brutal loss and getting caught with wraps as a double whammy was to much for him to over come. He didnt even look the same when he fought Manny. Manny may have added to the demise but like I said he was shattered, exposed and tainted after Mosley and the cheating allegations.

As for Floyd and his money demands. Pac shouldve took the 40 mill. At this point if a fight were to happen I would offer Pac no PPV revenue and a happy meal lol. Got Em!!

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

lol.. Ask Barry Bonds and Shane Mosley what PED did to there rep, and both guys never tested positive for anything.

I guess the same goes for Clemens, McGwire, Canseco, Sosa and everyone else that was involved in Balco? What about Manny Ramirez? You tend to have no clue what PED's actually do. You do realize about 80% of professional athletes use right? It's the only way you can play 162 full games a year without your body just completely breaking down. Mosley is fine as well. They are all Hall of Famers.

You can't just inject your body and crush 600 home runs or be a boxing champion. It doesn't work that way.

When people look back and ask why wasn't Mayweather vs. Manny made and they read that Manny refused to be randomly tested that's why the fight didn't happen.

Umm, no. That's what YOU will say.

Not alone did you guys co-sign his ducking of testing but you guys also called the guy that requested the random testing a coward. Now three 3 years later the same Manny co-signers are PED experts and want to discredit the USDA testing.

I still and always will say that Floyd has no right to require Manny or any fighter for that matter to do more than they are legally obligated to do.
PED expert? I can't speak for any other expert here but trust me, I know 100 times more about anabolics, androgenics or peptides than you ever will.

You have to realize that not everyone gives a major fuck about Mayweather. The guy is completely irrelevant right now. He isn't even participating in the sport. Your obsession over a single person is becoming extremely uncomfortable.

 

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I actually agree that Mosley ending Marg's career. Well that brutal loss and getting caught with wraps as a double whammy was to much for him to over come. He didnt even look the same when he fought Manny. Manny may have added to the demise but like I said he was shattered, exposed and tainted after Mosley and the cheating allegations.

shane exposed and beat margarito but he didn't end his career since obviously margarito had a couple big fights after that. Pac literally broke his face which was a big reason why he ended up losing to Cotto in the rematch then retired as a result. He didn't retire from being beat he retired because medically he cannot continue.

But that isn't the point, and it's weird I have to explain the point to you since it was you that brought this up. the discussion was that you said pac lost his power after the floyd PED accusations but look no further than margarito's face as case against that argument.

 

[CZAR]

shane exposed and beat margarito but he didn't end his career since obviously margarito had a couple big fights after that. Pac literally broke his face which was a big reason why he ended up losing to Cotto in the rematch then retired as a result. He didn't retire from being beat he retired because medically he cannot continue.

But that isn't the point, and it's weird I have to explain the point to you since it was you that brought this up. the discussion was that you said pac lost his power after the floyd PED accusations but look no further than margarito's face as case against that argument.

Haha u dont have to explain anything to me because I already know. I also never said Pac lost his power? I said he didnt look like the same dominant self. There is a big difference. Also when we say Mosley ended Marg's career, it was literal obviously. Marg took a beating and got exposed for the cheater he was and then he wasnt the same after that. Manny just added to the damage and remember he still didnt retire so Manny didnt end shit either if we are goin by what u are saying. Cotto beat him because Cotto is the better fighter and Marg didnt have an advantage this time. U give Manny to much credit at times. A doctor medically cleared Marg to fight Cotto so that meant his eye was fine. Also eyes dont play defense or through punches. Cotto just beat him down. Got Em!!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Haha u dont have to explain anything to me because I already know. I also never said Pac lost his power? I said he didnt look like the same dominant self. There is a big difference. Also when we say Mosley ended Marg's career, it was literal obviously. Marg took a beating and got exposed for the cheater he was and then he wasnt the same after that. Manny just added to the damage and remember he still didnt retire so Manny didnt end shit either if we are goin by what u are saying. Cotto beat him because Cotto is the better fighter and Marg didnt have an advantage this time. U give Manny to much credit at times. A doctor medically cleared Marg to fight Cotto so that meant his eye was fine. Also eyes dont play defense or through punches. Cotto just beat him down. Got Em!!

Still missing the point homie! I'm not giving extra credit to pac for beating Margs or anything like that I'm stating the facts which he literally broke his orbital bone, detached retina and ruined his eye perminately. It was quite clear against Cotto after only a round or two his eye/face were finished. Why do you think the same eye swoled up so bad after only a few punches? It's not rocket science.

The doctor that cleared Margarito to fight was under immense pressure as the venue was sold out with only a couple days before the fight. The entire event was damn near cancalled. It was obvious from the get go his eye was jacked up.

 

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I guess the same goes for Clemens, McGwire, Canseco, Sosa and everyone else that was involved in Balco? What about Manny Ramirez? You tend to have no clue what PED's actually do. You do realize about 80% of professional athletes use right? It's the only way you can play 162 full games a year without your body just completely breaking down. Mosley is fine as well. They are all Hall of Famers.

You can't just inject your body and crush 600 home runs or be a boxing champion. It doesn't work that way.




Umm, no. That's what YOU will say.



I still and always will say that Floyd has no right to require Manny or any fighter for that matter to do more than they are legally obligated to do.
PED expert? I can't speak for any other expert here but trust me, I know 100 times more about anabolics, androgenics or peptides than you ever will.

You have to realize that not everyone gives a major fuck about Mayweather. The guy is completely irrelevant right now. He isn't even participating in the sport. Your obsession over a single person is becoming extremely uncomfortable.

It's so funny how guys that defend Manny's every move has the nervous to talk about someone else. Very simple question for you Rump why did Mosley, Ortiz, Canelo, Cotto, Trout, Donire, Berto, Khan, The Ghost, and Mayweather all have no problem taking random drug testing, but Manny is the only guy that refuses???

I'm still trying to find out what does your PED abuse have to do with Manny ducking random testing. lol Que Ball head is alway good for a laugh.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Probably because Manny doesn't have a voice of his own.
Anyone in his council can tell him to start advertising Orange Chicken and guess what? He will walk out with Panda Express on his trunks.

Plus Manny said he agrees to the random tests. Correct me if I'm wrong but he only declined the first time around.

 

[bigface]

Still missing the point homie! I'm not giving extra credit to pac for beating Margs or anything like that I'm stating the facts which he literally broke his orbital bone, detached retina and ruined his eye perminately. It was quite clear against Cotto after only a round or two his eye/face were finished. Why do you think the same eye swoled up so bad after only a few punches? It's not rocket science.

The doctor that cleared Margarito to fight was under immense pressure as the venue was sold out with only a couple days before the fight. The entire event was damn near cancalled. It was obvious from the get go his eye was jacked up.

Mosley took away what made Margarito and OK fighter in the first place, his iron chin and hand wraps. Mosley hit Margarito with them same bombs he catch Floyd with in the 2nd rd, but he hit Margarito for 10 rounds with them. Mosley broke Margarito and Manny put the nail in the coffin. It's was a Manny cherry-picked fight against a guy that was KO'ed in his last big fight against Mosley and out of boxing for a year because of hand wraps, and at a 150lb catchweight. Pretty much it was a cherry-picked shit fight.

Manny gets 0 credit for losing to Bradley, Manny fans needs to move on from it. And you own gif shows that Bradley was right infront of Manny all fight.

Mayweather did brutally beat Mosley. Mosley was in retreat mode against Mayweather, but difference is Floyd cut off the ring unlike Manny and punished Mosley with hard clean shots all fight.

Catchweights, good match making, and media hype as the man to shut up Mayweather.

 

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Probably because Manny doesn't have a voice of his own.
Anyone in his council can tell him to start advertising Orange Chicken and guess what? He will walk out with Panda Express on his trunks.

Plus Manny said he agrees to the random tests. Correct me if I'm wrong but he only declined the first time around.

Manny said he agreed to random testing but yet and still it's 2012 and Manny has never been randomly since being asked back in 2009.

Manny also said let the commission do their job and guess what only the commisssion is testing him.

 

[CZAR]

Still missing the point homie! I'm not giving extra credit to pac for beating Margs or anything like that I'm stating the facts which he literally broke his orbital bone, detached retina and ruined his eye perminately. It was quite clear against Cotto after only a round or two his eye/face were finished. Why do you think the same eye swoled up so bad after only a few punches? It's not rocket science.

The doctor that cleared Margarito to fight was under immense pressure as the venue was sold out with only a couple days before the fight. The entire event was damn near cancalled. It was obvious from the get go his eye was jacked up.

Again I know what Manny did to a broke down Marg. I said Mosley delivered Manny a gift because it wasnt the same Marg before Mosley plain & simple. If doctors medically cleared a fighter and they werent supposed to then they need to be brought up on charges lol. Regardless of the fact Mosley gets more cred for the demise of Marg in my book thats all I am saying. Got Em!!

 

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Steve Carp ‏ S @Steve carprj
Nevada Athletic Commission's Keith Kizer said both Manny Pacquiao & Juan Manuel Marquez's pre- & post-fight drug tests came back negative.


The commission did their job. lol

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

People think if a fighter puts on some muscle that they are on steroids.
He probably put on a pound or two of muscle in exchange for a pound or two of fat.
You can do that in a couple of months, especially if your entire day/night is based around training.

 

[RM211]

the only person on the siccness that talks about dickriding is you. Real talk. You take this shit to a whole nother level, which is why some people don't even post in here. You make everything about a fan group vs a fan group. Everyone is some kind of "dickrider" or a "nutthugger" to you.

100% agree with this...

 

[surcaliman]

People think if a fighter puts on some muscle that they are on steroids.
He probably put on a pound or two of muscle in exchange for a pound or two of fat.
You can do that in a couple of months, especially if your entire day/night is based around training.

I agree. Plus Marquez having fought manny three previous times could afford to focus more on bulking up and not as much on the technical stuff.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

People think if a fighter puts on some muscle that they are on steroids.
He probably put on a pound or two of muscle in exchange for a pound or two of fat.
You can do that in a couple of months, especially if your entire day/night is based around training.

Agreed. But it wasn't that simple for Marquez he's worked his ass off for over a year to get in this kind of shape. Remember he was bulked up in the third fight as well.if you watch his recent training videos you see hes also been working on power punching. There is a video if Marquez dropping his sparring partner hard with a nearly identical shot. All that hard work paid off big time.

 

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Only people talking about PED user are the Manny fans still in shock. Marquez trained for 4 months for this fight for god sake. If you watched 24/7 you knew Marquez wasn't playing around. Manny jumped into a well timed counter right by Marquez end of fight..

 

[bigface]

100% agree with this...

Go back to the MMA thread.. Aren't you a Nate Diaz fan??

 

[Johnny Truelove]

skip bayless is fuckin delusional lmao...

 

[CZAR]

Skip is the biggest jerk-off on tv! He is only there for entertainment because he dont know shit about sports! Got Em!!