Over 400 Years of Illegal Immigration

westbaygiant · Jun 22, 2006

Heresy is asking the questions!!!!!Or Nerd Boy as i call him

Can you provide me with any evidence linking the Aztecs to the land north of the current US/Mexico border?

Yeah Aztec In Nahuatl, the native language of the Mexicas, Azteca means "someone who comes from Aztlán. Where is Aztlan located you ask, Present day 4 corners area. Theres even a town right by the 4 corners area called Aztec in New Mexico. Nahuatl The language of the Aztecs was spoken from Honduras all the way to the the american southwest. Fact:Nahuatl is the most widely-spoken group of Native American languages in Mexico or in North America as a whole!!! In fact the language lives today mixed in both english and spanish! The two most prominent are undoubtedly chocolate (from xoco(l)atl, 'chocolate drink', perhaps literally 'bitter-water') and tomato (from (xi)tomatl), but there are others, such as coyote (coyotl), avocado (ahuacatl) and chile or chili (chilli). The brand name Chiclets is also derived from Nahuatl (tziktli 'sticky stuff, chicle'). Other English words from Náhuatl are: Aztec, (aztecatl); cacao (cacahuatl 'shell, rind'); mesquite (mizquitl); ocelot (ocelotl).
And in spanish: achiote, acocil, aguacate, ajolote, amate, atole, axolotl, ayate, cacahuate, camote, capulín, chamagoso, chapopote, chayote, chicle, chile, chipotle, chocolate, cuate, comal, copal, coyote, ejote, elote, epazote, escuincle, guacamole, guachinango, guajolote, huipil, huitlacoche, hule, jacal, jícama, jícara, jitomate, malacate, mecate, metate, metlapil, mezcal, mezquite, milpa, mitote, molcajete, mole, nopal, ocelote, ocote, olote, paliacate, papalote, pepenar, petaca, petate, peyote, pinole, piocha, popote, pozole, pulque, quetzal, tamal, tianguis, tiza, tomate, tule, zacate, zapote, zopilote.
Heresy U underestimate the presence of our people on this continent.

If the Aztecs and Mesheeka/Mesheeca are natives where does that place the natives who helped the spaniards do them in? Where does that leave the native tribes who FOUGHT with the Aztecs?
Well, the ones that faught on the spainards team are some sell outs in my book, some punk bitches on da real. But i think they didnt have a clue of what they were doing, if they could see in the furtue im sure they would have never helped the spainards.

Did the Aztecs take the land from themselves when they conquered the Toltec and Mayan civilizations?hell yeah, and built an empire but its cool cause both were natives and they fought and the winner get to rule the land, just like anywhere eles in the world throughout time! But those were local battles, Genocide is another thing thou!!!!u cant compare!And just so u know!!!! The Toltec are the Aztecs forefathers, the same people in diffrent times ya dumbass.

No one has denied the FACT that native americans were a culture people who had their own religion, practiced science, had their own languages, roads, etc. However, how are these accomplishments related to the current illegal immigration problems? History Has everything to do with whats going on today.Its history fool!!!!! Its crucial For our people to know who they are, where they come from, what there forefathers had accomplished and all the great things they done, and today we are scrubbing toilets and picking tomatoes for u muthafuckas and u ask what dose that shit have to do with the current immigration status? We use to rule this land and know were at the bottom, and u ask still ask ur ignorant racist questions.

If mexicans are the Aztecs how are they the Aztecs AND the native americans when history shows these are two disntict tribes?[/QUOTE]

What the fuck are u talking about? Aztects and native americans being 2 diffrent tribes???WTF??, thats like say French and White people were diffrent tribes, or chinese and asians are diffrent. your a dumb ass, Native Americans refers to any of the thousands of indeginous tribes that have exsisted before columbus came to the americas. Aztecs and Mayas are 2 diffrent tribes, or Aztecs and the Navajos or the Incas, Those are diffrent tribes, but they are all Native Americans, so i cant answer your question on the basis of you being a dumb ass.
Hows that for contributing!

westbaygiant · Jun 22, 2006

Our original home is Aztlan. Aztlan is located in the four corners region (Colorado, Utah, New Mexico and Arizona) along the 4 great rivers: (What we call the Nahui Atl) the Colorado river (the river begins and ends in Arizona and Colorado, therefore to us it was considered 2 seperate rivers), the Green river, and the San Juan river
* We migrated to Mexico/Anahuac around 1016 A.D. because of the severe droughts of the time.
* Before we left Aztlan we were called "Azteca". But the Azteca broke up into 8 tribes, the Mexica being the last to leave south.
* Most everyone today uses the term "Aztec" in reference to the Mexica, which is absurd. The Azteca no longer existed after 1016 A.D. By then we had all broken up and changed our names to Hopi, Alcohua, Mexica etc..

who are the Hopi? The Hopi are a Native American nation who primarily live on the 1.5 million acre (6,000 km&#178

Hopi Reservation in northeastern Arizona. The reservation is surrounded by the Navajo reservation. And they speak the same language as the Mexicans...all the way ot here in north east arizona. hows that for claims that this is our land, we still been here this hole time!

westbaygiant · Jun 22, 2006

This is a map of were the Nahuatl language was spoken and other languages too. the northren part anyways. the language of the aztecs, in fact its called the Uto-Aztecan language. Key word Aztecan(someone from aztlan) and Uto ( Utah is named after the indigenous Uto-Aztecan Ute people.)so right there is it tells u were the language originated in. because aztlan means land of origins and then Utah,..... 4 corners area, Yaddia I mean..., can u guys see the connection, and theres a town in new mexico called aztec.
The green is everything we can rightfully claim as our as decendents of the Aztecs or the Natua people. and that gose to all of mexico and all through central america. we used to have an empire mayne!

westbaygiant · Jun 22, 2006

so people today do hold claim to aztlan, And thats any bodys that is desendent anywhere from the southwest to central america, for they are the same people, all thats changed is that some held on to thier culture or way of life more then others in the last 500 years of colonialism and oppression and genocide.

westbaygiant · Jun 22, 2006

THE NAHUAS BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nahua is a collective designation applied to several different indigenous peoples of Mexico and Central America, both historical and contemporary. All of these groups spoke or speak some variant of the Nahuatl language.

The most well-known Nahua people are the Aztecs.

westbaygiant · Jun 22, 2006

HERESY, U HAVE BEEN DICK SLAPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As u would say, This thread has been shut down!!

EDJ · Jun 22, 2006

^YOU AIN'T SAYIN' NOTHIN' NEW BUT DRAWIN' CONCLUSIONS. IF YOU WOULD OF BEEN PAYIN' ATTENTION INSTEAD OF LETTIN' YOUR TRUE RACIST NATURE OUT, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT HERESY LEFT A LINK ABOUT THE NAHUATL LANgUAgE AND EVEN CALLED IT INTERESTIN'.

HERESY · Jun 22, 2006

This fool went and asked one of his homies for help (like he did in the othe rthread.) I'll destroy this when I come home from school later.

HERESY · Jun 22, 2006

EDJ said:

^YOU AIN'T SAYIN' NOTHIN' NEW BUT DRAWIN' CONCLUSIONS. IF YOU WOULD OF BEEN PAYIN' ATTENTION INSTEAD OF LETTIN' YOUR TRUE RACIST NATURE OUT, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT HERESY LEFT A LINK ABOUT THE NAHUATL LANgUAgE AND EVEN CALLED IT INTERSTIN'.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

EDJ · Jun 22, 2006

^THAT'S THAT BARTERIN' SYSTEM. SOMEBODY PULLED HIM TO THE SIDE AND TOLD HIM HE MAKIN' THEM LOOK BAD. DO WHAT YOU DO.

HERESY · Jun 22, 2006

First off, I'd like to say that besides insults, westbaygiant has yet to contribute an original thought of his own. His cut and past tactics are obvious, and the dummy didn't even take precautions to edit the madness. He probably sent my questions to a buddy of his (something he is known to do) and relied on their help and so-called expertise in the area. However, the problem still remains and we are back at square one. I'll show you all how westbaygiant is a fraud and how his cohorts have yet to present anything original that has not been refuted, disputed or thrown out the window.

Westbaygiant starts his rant with:

This is proof that he is sending my questions to someone else and not replying on his own. We, the people of this forum, already know I am asking the questions because I have asked them over four times now. He is telling someone who I am and also making attempts to ridicule me. Again, this is proof that westbaygiant does not have the mental capacity to forumulate original thoughts on his own. Let us look at another example of how westbaygiant has once again failed to present an original thought of his own.

That all looks good on the surface, but let us take a look at westbaygiants response from the first page of this thread.

Do you see a problem here people? In westbaygiants original post the sentence structure is severely flawed and he can't even spell correctly. He spells "which" as "WITCH", and his first spelling of the language was "Nuahtal" and is different from the most recent spelling which was spelled as "Nahuatl". Also, pay attention to where he said Aztlan was in his orginal post. He said it was in the southwest usa, but I will once again show that the recent posts are not only someone elses thoughts, but also inaccurate.

Can someone tell me how these words are relevent to 400 years of illegal immigration or how they validate their position? I already posted a link pertaining to Nahuatl speaking people, so why are we given a crash course in Nahuatl 101? Are we to assume that westbaygiant himself is able to speak these words or that he typed them himself? As I have previously demonstrated, westbaygiant can't even type in complete sentences, so why should we assume these words are his when he has gone over ten pages without forming cohesive sentences? Let us now take a look at more of westbaygiants obvious cut and paste job.

This statement is difficult to identify, and the reason is for the sheer fact that it contains no clear cut answer and contains typos that westbaygiant has been known to make. With that being said, I believe this answer is a mixed answer between westbaygiant and his cohort. In addition, the above answer presents NOTHING in regards to Aztec and Native relations PRIOR to Spaniard interference. The Aztecs and Natives fought against each other and this is a historical fact, yet this answer does not address them (the natives) as a people or give a suggestion as to where they themselves lived.

Now, let us take a look at the blatent hypocrisy presented by westbaygiant and his cohort. Look at this:

Westbaygiant and his cohort have just admitted that the Aztecs took over land that they did NOT originally occupy. Also, according to westbay giant and his cohort, this was totally o.k. because "both were natives." Where is the logic in that? Can someone explain to me how it is "cool" to take someones land just because you are both natives? Are we to assume that it is perfectly ok for Afrikans to kill other Afrikans and take their land solely because they are all from the Afrikan continent? Are we to assume that it is perfectly ok for Chinese to wipe out Koreans because they are all Asian/Oriental? Also, note the fact that westbaygiant and his cohort have said that fighting and land taking were present throughout the world at that time, but let us look at another contribution to warped logic and hypocrisy:

How can westbaygiant justify the stealing of land because they were "local battles"? Can you walk into a grocery store and take a candy bar simply because you are hungry and the store is one block away from your home? No. And who said anything about genocide? What is your definition of genocide and how is it applicable to this topic? How can you logically say it is ok to take land one way but attempt to make a difference in relevance or impact when a more extreme form is implemented? Also, you claim that the Toltecs are the Aztec forefathers and the same people in different times, but history disagrees with this. The Toltecs were in the Mexico Valley at around 600 A.D. and were present for approximately 700 years before the Aztecs conquered them around 1300 a.d. and some historians suggest that Quetzalcoatl was exclusive to the Toltecs (this has been debated before.) In addition, some historians even claim that the Chichimeca were the ones who conquered them on behalf of the Aztecs. Moreover, if the Toltecs and Aztecs are the same people (this has been debunked by science and history) when did the Toltecs migrate from Tula to the mythical place of Aztlan and back to mexico???????? :dead: History shows that yes, the Aztecs DID rewrite history and take on Toltec culture/civilization as their own, but let us move further on and expose this madness.

Westbaygiant and his cohort claim that history has everything to do with what is going on today and cite me as being a racist for admitting that natives have made substantial contributions but for asking how it is relevant to this thread. If anyone is racist it is westbaygiant. Have I posted pictures of mexicans in hopes of ridiculing them? No. Have I used any racial slurs to talk about mexicans? No, however westbaygiant has done this and so much more, so who would be considered a racist? Yes, you guessed it, Westbaygiant. Westbaygiant acts as if all mexicans are scrubbing toilets and picking tomatos, and believes that these things are exclusive to mexicans. The problem with this is EVERY race has members who scrub toilets and pick produce. When the prisoners picked fruit for Dupont and Dole were they all mexican? NO!!!!

You are doing a diservice to your people by locking them into the toilet cleaning and produce picking people that some promote. You have mexican scholars, scientists, teachers, police officers, musicians etc who are contributing to american society and making a living, so don't go making it seem as if all mexicans are the dregs of society. However, why don't we discuss the current illegal immigration problem and how Mexico itself has turned a blind eye to its own citizens. How many tomato pickers and toilet scrubbers are in mexico? Wait?!?!?! You mean to tell me every citizen in mexico is well off and has a golden toilet that cleans itself when you take a shit?!?!?!?!?!! :dead:

Again, if you go back and read my earlier posts I am referring to native americans as those who were mentioned in the link I provided. THEY are the people I consider native american, and if you had read the earlier statements and hit the link you would comprehend the question. Also, people who are pushing for the rebirth of the mythical aztlan have gone as far as to state that ALL of this land was inhabited by MEXICANS and that all NATIVE AMERICANS are MEXICANS. This is why I say they are a DISTINCT group of people.

It is useless and a waste of bandwidth. How's that for destroying your post for the thousandth time? Utterly refreshing, but I won't stop here. Let us look at your other posts:

You have never used bullets or unordered text before, so this leads me to believe that your cohort came with this answer. However, the problem with this is it contradicts what you have previously posted. First off, you originally said that Aztlan IS the southwest united sates. Here let us look at your statement once again:

You are not saying it is part of the southwest or Aztlan is located within the southwest. You are saying it IS the southwest USA. So, with that being said your cohorts views do not agree with your previous posts OR you have created a severe error and contradicted yourself. Which one is it? Also, if Aztlan is a real place, why is it that it has yet to be located, and why is it that no historical or scientific records of it exists? Why is it that no athropologists have been able to place it on a map? Also, if they are the same people as the Toltecs how and when did they migrate BACK to the united states to a mythical place of Aztlan?

http://www.azteca.net/aztec/aztlan.html

Here I will provide the FIRST sentence of this link, and it pretty much says it all:

Aztlan is the mythical place of origin of the Aztec peoples.

:dead:

But, for the sake of argument, let us say that the mythical place called Aztlan IS located in the united states. How does that entitle the descendents of the Azteca all of america? Also, let us look at anothe rcontradiction. You or your cohort has stated that the use of Aztec in reference for mexica is "absurd", however your cohorts views are in opposition to yours OR you are contradicting yourself. Don't believe me? This is what you said:

AND

But compare these statements to what was found within your recent post:

Does everyone here see the contradiction? Yes!!!!

I will address the rest of your lunacy later on tonight or tommorow morning. BTW, plagiarizing is prohibted, and I hope the mod takes a look at this thread again.

Mr. Nice Guy · Jun 22, 2006

HERESY said:

Now, let us take a look at the blatent hypocrisy presented by westbaygiant and his cohort. Look at this:

westbaygaint said:

Westbaygiant and his cohort have just admitted that the Aztecs took over land that they did NOT originally occupy. Also, according to westbay giant and his cohort, this was totally o.k. because "both were natives." Where is the logic in that? Can someone explain to me how it is "cool" to take someones land just because you are both natives? Are we to assume that it is perfectly ok for Afrikans to kill other Afrikans and take their land solely because they are all from the Afrikan continent? Are we to assume that it is perfectly ok for Chinese to wipe out Koreans because they are all Asian/Oriental? Also, note the fact that westbaygiant and his cohort have said that fighting and land taking were present throughout the world at that time, but let us look at another contribution to warped logic and hypocrisy:

^^The defintion of kicking yourself in the face. Solid post, I haven't seen a knockout like this since Tyson vs Micheal Spinks lol.

saladbowlking · Jun 22, 2006

*THROWS WESTBAYGIANT A TOWEL TO WIPE HIMSELF AFTER GETTING SHITTED ON REPEATEDLY*

westbaygiant · Jun 23, 2006

Shitted on, Yeah Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This fools is making stupid claims and he dont even know me or whats up. but whatever. saying i got help for the post, yeah right it aint even that serious. But u missing the point, Everywhere were they speek Natula should be Mexico, So thats the southwest, Becuase everyone that speaks Natual gose back to the same place, the same origins, Aztlan, in the 4 corners area is were Natual started, then it spread to central america and mexico,so for mexico to be 1 unified country again it needs to get back da southwest. witch was stolen by the americans in the war. all this land belongs to the decendets of the NAHUA People. Not the Usa, Shit America started as 13 colonys in the east coast! why the fuck do they hold claim Aztlan

surcaliman · Jun 23, 2006

saladbowlking said:

u actually read all of heresys shit?.....

2-0-Sixx · Jun 23, 2006

surcaliman said:

Some of us can read higher than a 6th grade level.

HERESY · Jun 23, 2006

2-0-Sixx said:

lol

enserio · Jun 23, 2006

Mr. Nice Guy said:

Fraudulent behavior is a no-no on the siccness. People are getting exposed on the weekly around here.

surcaliman · Jun 23, 2006

2-0-Sixx said:

i was pointing out the fact that he actually takes the time to read heresys b.s. and not the fact that he ''can'' read all that shit....smart ass.

westbaygiant · Jun 23, 2006

Wait a minute, I got my assed kicked???? Im being exposed????? Man What the fuck are all yall talking about, U act like this is real life. I provied soild evidence of the connection between the Mexicans and Aztlan,I provided evidence that supports my claim of the usa southwest should be long to mexico, not just becuase it was stolen in the mexican-american war but becuase the southwest and mexico share an ancient ancestory, of the same language, culture, religion. The natives of mexico and the natvies of the southwest for the most part are the same people, with the same language and culture and everything eles. Just cause u replay to my every sentence you are always spinning my sentences and twisting them to fit your own cause, taking what im sayin out of context,and honestly u do that kind of good, u already have internet fans who lick the sweat of your balls!!!!!, and u always spin it to your cause, kind of like FOX NEWS. In fact Heresy, from now on ima call you FOX, for fox news. ARe u sure ur black and not a white guy called Bill O riley, FOr realz!!!! man. Heresy and fox news manage to sound smart and articulate and like good people who know what the fuck there talking about,(on the surface) but just like fox news you watch long enough and if you dont buy in you start seeing the propaganda and then you realize everything their talking about is staright bullshit. 100% bullshit. But for some reason u and Fox news somehow still manage to have a strong follwing!!!! But who gives a fuck how many people follow your shit cause in the end, its all bullshit!!!!

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