This is by far the most uninformed post I have ever witnessed you type.
Thank you for the compliment.
You are way off the mark here and honestly, I am very offended that anyone would question my people’s indigenous roots.
My post was not made to offend you. Yes, I am questioning the roots of mexicans, and to put it to you plainly I am not the first NOR will I be the last. In fact mexcians themselves should start questioning their roots and learning where they come from.
If this is a joke, please tell me now before we go any further.
No, not a joke.
If this isn’t, then (and I mean this with no offense) you need to take a course on Mesoamerican history. If you already have, then please sue the school because you were wrongly taken advantage of.
You get an "A" for originality.
Where are you pulling your so-called “historical evidence” out of?
Books. Would you like a bibliography or work cited page in MLA format?
You’re implying that Mexico was never inhabited until European settlers settled here.
That is not what I have implied. Please go back and read what I said to westbaygiant pertaining to the Aztecs, Toltec and Mayan civilizations.
Do you think our ancient tribal empire ruins are optical illusions?
See the above.
Mexicans and Latin Americans in general, ARE descendants of Indigenous people.
And the majority of remaining Indegenous people do NOT look at mexicans and latin americans as descendents, and to be honest a lot of mexican and latin americans don't accept them either. The ones who DO accept them do so only for political purposes, and if you don't believe me I'll provide you with several links and ALT. groups to validate this position.
What the hell are you talking about????
See the above.
Fuck a tribe, I’m not even talking about tribes here.
So we have two distinct views. You are saying to "fuck a tribe", and your cohert westbaygiant is spewing off about "mexican tribes." How you can say "fuck a tribe" is beyond lunacy, Mig. If you don't talk about tribes you can't talk about the Indeginous people because it is a fact that they were different from each other (based on tribe, culture, religion, etc) So, saying "fuck the tribe" is basically saying FUCK HISTORY. So, before you continue to remain offended by my words and questions, you should look at your own words, and see if you are missing the mark.
I am talking about genetics! I don’t care what tribes Northern American natives consist of, they’re genetically connected to Mesoamerican tribes and empires.
Mig, humans are genetically linked to
CORN and chimps, but are we the SAME? What I am saying is NATIVE AMERICANS are NOT the same as the mesoamerican tribes and cultures I have mentioned. If you believe they are or have proof to show it please go ahead and post it. I would like to see how the Indeginous people mentioned in the following link are descendents from the mesoamerican tribes, so if you have any info, links or book suggestions go ahead and post them.
http://www.native-languages.org/home.htm#list
Hell, they’re even connected to Asian tribes. If you didn’t know, that’s where we came from in the first place. Are you going to sit there and argue against historical, archeological, genetic, and geographical evidence Heresy?
What you are implying I am arguing is not what I am arguing. And to answer your question yes, they are connected to asians:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/430944.stm
and here is another interesting find:
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/519813/
I’ve seen it with my own eyes, have you?
I can sit here and claim I've seen all sorts of things and what will it prove? Nothing. If I tell you I have not seen it with my own eyes you will quickly seek to discount it simply on the grounds that you have which would be highly illogical. If I say that you are not the only one here who is well travelled and has seen such you'll ask me to prove it. So, with that being said, you seeing something with your own eyes means nothing to me. Me seeing something with my own eyes means nothing to you. How can I verify that you HAVE seen ANYTHING? I can't, now please stick to the subject matter at hand.
You ask why some Mexicans don’t embrace their indigenous roots,
Ignorance…. These cats look down upon indigenous people and ignore their blood lines.
Just like they do black people, but that is another topic. The point is it is a two way street and MANY natives do NOT embrace mexicans as descendents. Also, I have mentioned before when they DO accept the natives the grounds are usually politically motivated.
This strikes a cord with me, I’m always in their faces about this shit. Not only them but Latin American people in general.
See the above.
Hell, Indigenous people were just about wiped out of El Salvador.
Indeginous people were just about wiped out period.
The Zapatistas in Mexico had to raise up in arms because they were being discriminated against. They’re growing in numbers as we speak which means that more and more Mexicans are snapping out of it and are recognizing their indigenous roots.
Thats great, but until those numbers climb I see it as a politically motivated ploy used to galvanize support (for a self serving agenda.)
As for the Natives in modern day America, yeah perhaps some of them won’t recognize our connection. But that’s on them…. That’s a question for them and not me.
No, I am asking you because you claim to know about the subject matter, and it doesn't hurt to know both perspectives.
What African tribe are you from Heresy?
I don't know. When research was done we found that my moms side of the family (through my grandmother) came from Jamaica and were slaves here in america. Now my fathers side? That is an entirely different story for two reasons. My grandma on my fathers side was mixed and the majority of her family was white and native, and we have OLD pictures that were probably taken when cameras were first invented showing them in ceremonial attire etc. But on my grandfathers side it gets even more interesting. We were able to trace to Germany of all places but came into a brick wall when trying to find out how our ancestors (seven brothers) made it to Germany and why they were in Germany in the first place.
Also, because I don't know which tribe I come from you won't see me spearheading movements to go to Afrika and take the land and disrupt the
infrastructure on the sole grounds that the land is stolen and my people come from Afrika. Can you say the same Mig? You are claiming to come from the Olmecs? Can you end the OLMEC debate once for all and tell us if the Olmecs came from Afrika? Can you show us any history or links that prove this?
According to your logic, you’re not African if you can’t trace it….
No not at all. By my logic,I am not entitled to the land of africa on the sole grounds that the land was stolen and people made slaves because I don't know what tribe I come from and would have NO IDEA about what land I SHOULD claim. Do my people come from Afrika? By all means yes. Do all of
the
MILLIONS of mexican immigrants trace to the southwest and
mytical land of Atzlan? No and
HISTORY proves this.