OT:ANGER MANAGEMENT 3 TOUR
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First off, I aint no fuckin juggalo.
Second off, if you dont think Esham would do anything to Em if they confronted each other, then you dont know the city of Detroit. Just like any other hood, there isnt very many weak people surviving there for a long time. Esham has been puting shit out since the late 80's, and you dont think anybody's tried to test him yet? I dont just base my opinion of Esham on just what he raps about, I've met 2 dudes that grew up with him I have had a few conversations with 'em about the man- and judging by the stories I hear and the mentality of the guys I met from the same block, Esham wouldn't give up any chance to bomb on Eminem. Of course, getting to Eminem anywhere would be a hard feat to do, so it's doubtful anything would happen. Eminem knows he dont wan't beef with Esham too. I never heard Ja come out with any lyrics half as hard as what E says about Marshall, yet Em wont think of callin esham out, but- he's got all kinds of disses on Ja Rule. The only semi-hit he ever took at esham was sayin "I aint acid rap but I rap on acid" wich to me isnt even close to a diss. Yet Eminem will release a full song about Benzino talkin shit on him every bar, and for what...?
On the real, I love both artists... although there's some shit they both put out that Im not really feelin. But I will bring up the fact that Eminem claims detroit left and right, but moved to california.
Second off, if you dont think Esham would do anything to Em if they confronted each other, then you dont know the city of Detroit. Just like any other hood, there isnt very many weak people surviving there for a long time. Esham has been puting shit out since the late 80's, and you dont think anybody's tried to test him yet? I dont just base my opinion of Esham on just what he raps about, I've met 2 dudes that grew up with him I have had a few conversations with 'em about the man- and judging by the stories I hear and the mentality of the guys I met from the same block, Esham wouldn't give up any chance to bomb on Eminem. Of course, getting to Eminem anywhere would be a hard feat to do, so it's doubtful anything would happen. Eminem knows he dont wan't beef with Esham too. I never heard Ja come out with any lyrics half as hard as what E says about Marshall, yet Em wont think of callin esham out, but- he's got all kinds of disses on Ja Rule. The only semi-hit he ever took at esham was sayin "I aint acid rap but I rap on acid" wich to me isnt even close to a diss. Yet Eminem will release a full song about Benzino talkin shit on him every bar, and for what...?
On the real, I love both artists... although there's some shit they both put out that Im not really feelin. But I will bring up the fact that Eminem claims detroit left and right, but moved to california.
What you fail to realize here is WITHOUT ESHAM THERE WOULD BE NO EMINEM. You all remember the lyric "Im a cross between manson, esham and ozzy"? Well, if you listen to anything before the slim shady LP (infinite and so forth) and compare it to eshams first 4 or so albums, than you would realize how heavily influenced eminem was by esham. Go hit up www.killmusick.com and listen to their streaming radio, theres 1 or 2 older Em songs on there that some people might even classify as "horrorcore" rap. You say who the fuck is esham? well, if you dont know...
Ya betta ask somebody.
try eminem himself, he grew up listening to the man.
And to all of you who think just cuz someone listens to Esham they're down with psychopathic- you dead wrong. Sham and his brother started REEL LIFE PRODUCTIONS back in 87' or so, and put out eshams and natas' first few albums. Violent J said himself in Murder Dog "We modeled psychopathic records after reel life" and also adds "esham was signed into psychopathic as a don" and continues to stress that esham is a big shot caller at the label and is completely free to do whatever he wants. A lot of Esham fans fucking hate psychopathic and think esham made a stupid business move for signing with them. Bad business move- far from it- but a reputation killing business move- it is. I would also like to point out that Kid Rock started out under eshams wing basically, and kid still dont give him no fuckin props. I know imma see some posts sayin im hard on eshams dick or somethin, but fuck that. He's a rapper who has influenced more artists than anyone would like to admit and he still dont get his fuckin dues paid. It pisses me off how discredited esham and his music is, and then people think cuz he's with psychopathic he's just another wack rapper, fuck that. I wont go as far as comparing their music, but Tech and Esham have been in the game for just as long as the other (esham dropped his first album first though) and they're both under-rated. Just as you all (and I too, believe me) think Tech isnt getting the spotlight he deserves... well eshams been overlooked for even longer. Imma stop annoying everyone now, just recognize and dont hate what you dont know about.
I do know all about that.... you still have proved me wrong in no way whatsoever though. And you are totally wrong... without Dr. Dre there would be no eminem... he didnt catch his breaks from esham... fuck who he was influenced by it wasnt until he started workin with dre... and gettin dre beats that he started to make it big.
That's because there's no point beefin ova the kake shit with someone nobody's heard of. Check out Beef 2 and watch the violent j interview in the special features, because he says the same thing you're saying, only he's saying it in the way of... Dr. Dre wouldn't put an ICP diss on Em's record because he didn't know who the fuck they were.
You're delerious.
Hey when did BITCHAMPIN start typing in all caps like the little girl that he is? That kids a fuckin' square.
You're delerious.
Hey when did BITCHAMPIN start typing in all caps like the little girl that he is? That kids a fuckin' square.
I agree but the beef is deeper then "I don't do acid rap but I rap on acid" it is way deeper then that, by the way why would you put Natas and d-12 on the warped tour? e.s.h.a.m. Every suka Has A Moment that is a diss track about esham that some onfrom D-12 or D-12 did. Listen to D-12 world they make referace to the waped tour. Esham has still dissed M on the last tour first song esham is old school killaclown I am with you.First CD when he was 15. If you make a whole carreer on hating somebody then I feel you should fade away, he has wicked shit I love him, but come on "woo woo woo" someone call that wicked shit.
"And you are totally wrong... without Dr. Dre there would be no eminem... he didnt catch his breaks from esham... "
Yer on fucking crack aren't you? Em dropped upwards of AT LEAST 20 or so tracks before he even left michigan and got Dre's beats behind him. Without Dre eminem wouldnt be as big, I wont argue that point, but slim was releasing songs in the underground detroit rap scene long before dre was involved. Eminem used to be "in the same boat" with Esham and ICP (at least IN DETROIT). They were all artists that had a big following in D-town who were trying to get nationwide recognition. And when I say without Esham there would be no Eminem- It is somewhat of an overstatement- but do you think without E's infuence eminem would be the same artist, almost at all? Ask Tech about where he thinks he might be as a rapper without his musical influences, probably not making as dope music as he is now. Esham is about as OG as it gets when it comes to the rap game, puting out yer first record at 15 years old stepping into a Mustang GT with gold rims of the same year is something that I havent heard any other rapper coming close to. A guy I knew who moved into the suburbs from detroit to slang budz said to me one day "Only 16 year old I knew in my city with a car either stole it or sold crack to buy it". Hate Esham or love him, you cant deny his length and credibility in music.
A few tracks for "Repentance" weren't really "the wicked shit" but it did get him some radio play and a little bigger fanbase outside of juggalos, wich is fine with me. Yola should be what you expect from sham though. That collab with bone was fresh as fuck too. That reminds me, to people who say "who the fuck is esham anyway?" Ask Bone Thugs N Harmony, they'll let you know real quick.
Yer on fucking crack aren't you? Em dropped upwards of AT LEAST 20 or so tracks before he even left michigan and got Dre's beats behind him. Without Dre eminem wouldnt be as big, I wont argue that point, but slim was releasing songs in the underground detroit rap scene long before dre was involved. Eminem used to be "in the same boat" with Esham and ICP (at least IN DETROIT). They were all artists that had a big following in D-town who were trying to get nationwide recognition. And when I say without Esham there would be no Eminem- It is somewhat of an overstatement- but do you think without E's infuence eminem would be the same artist, almost at all? Ask Tech about where he thinks he might be as a rapper without his musical influences, probably not making as dope music as he is now. Esham is about as OG as it gets when it comes to the rap game, puting out yer first record at 15 years old stepping into a Mustang GT with gold rims of the same year is something that I havent heard any other rapper coming close to. A guy I knew who moved into the suburbs from detroit to slang budz said to me one day "Only 16 year old I knew in my city with a car either stole it or sold crack to buy it". Hate Esham or love him, you cant deny his length and credibility in music.
A few tracks for "Repentance" weren't really "the wicked shit" but it did get him some radio play and a little bigger fanbase outside of juggalos, wich is fine with me. Yola should be what you expect from sham though. That collab with bone was fresh as fuck too. That reminds me, to people who say "who the fuck is esham anyway?" Ask Bone Thugs N Harmony, they'll let you know real quick.