Official GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS 2008-09 Season Thread

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Everybody you just named all have failed for the same reason as Buike, and the difference every one you named was supposed to be a star quality player, not a role player. So you did nothing but prove even more Buike's usefulness to this team. Shit Harrington is playing better over in NY, go figure
Jackson started off the season playing great ball, I wouldn't say he failed. His injury has slowed him down as of late and he's forced his game as well. Maggette was a failure before he was even on the Warriors, anyone who considers him a star is a fool. I didn't prove anything about dookie's usefulness, how do you figure that but also say he failed?
 

MR. CLEEN

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As a team they are all failing. You can't place blame on any one player more than the other. The team was stripped of it's true star when they decided not to resign Baron. And you're right we should have never picked up Maggette. That was done out of spite since Clippers almost took Brand. Without a true floor general or #1 option, the whole team is being exposed. We got a team full of inexperience, and 2nd rate role players all forcing their game, and why, because they really got no choice. And anybody think Ellis is gonna change that will be sadly mistaken, unless he becomes a real PG overnight.

Peete, not only is Jackson the king of doing it, but he can't even finish for the and one, and half the time, he does it half heartedly and gets his shot blocked and complains.
 
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Well you might as well say that Harrington wasn't even an option because ... well ... he wasn't.
If he wasn't an option why was he on the floor so much the few games he played with the W's

Jackson shouldn't be your #1 guy ANYWAY, and Maggette is streaky (at best) and injury prone.
agreed

In Nelson's system, if you're open, you take the shot, right? Well shit, Buike gets open shots, they just aren't going down at as high a percentage as you'd like (43%) but he's still shooting a better overall percentage (2s & 3s)than Captain Jack (38%), averages more rebounds (in less minutes) and isn't among the league leaders in turnovers.

So by your logic, Buike should be an option ahead of Jackson
Dont get me wrong, Jackson has not been shooting good either. I hate how he keeps shooting when he's cold and has injury problems. The only leeway I give him is he has a knack for getting hot at the right time. His turnovers are because he's playing a bit out of role being a point foward but he's also among the league leaders in assists.
 
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Cant argue that, but the difference is Jackson makes an effort to pass the ball, dookie doesn't.
I think the point you're missing is that these are (most likely) the roles established for these guys. On offense, it's not Buike's job to be a playmaker. He's there to take (and hopefully make) shots.

Jackson is your playmaker and has the assists and turnovers to show for it.

Blame the coach, if anything.
 

MR. CLEEN

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Hell naw, i don't think that but he can't do any worse than anybody else on the team. If anything, I stick with Watson and continue to let him grow into his role. He's really the only player I can say has shown growth outside of Biedrins. My point was every player we got needs someone else to set up their shot similar to what nash brings to the Suns, and we don't have that Nash type of player to do that so we look like a bunch of bums driving up the court, not even thinking bout passing, and throwin up shots that should get them buried at the end of the bench with the towel boys
 
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small ball doesnt equal championships.

Although i think at times nelson is allright, what has he won? azabuike is a 6-7 off the bench like it was said. he plays bigger than he is and physically can hold his own. we just cant win like this. jackson cant play 40+ minutes a game and then be expected to step up in the fourth. Let the kids start getting experience and put them on an all protein bulk up diet. the warriors are light in the ass and come the fourth quarter, and as of late, early on, its showing. defense is nowhere to be found.
 
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Because he doesn't know how to and doesn't make the effort. Nelson likes ball movement and even said himself in an interview dookie(and Maggatte) needs to pass the ball more.
What I took from that is that it's not that Nelson likes ball movement, it's that he understands now that they need to change the way they've been playing (including more ball movement) because what they've been doing isn't working.

Cats gotta make adjustments, yes. What they're adjusting from is a system where they were told to shoot when they were open ...
 

Joey

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I'd give up Wright or Randolph if it meant bringin in a solid player to add to the mix. Both of em so green it's gonna be at least a few years (And some added weight and muscle) before either of them pick up a consistent game. Neither one of em can play defense well enough to make a impact now so why not put em on the trading block along wit just about everybody else. The chemistry on this team sucks. And Monta aint gonna change that. Baron was a floor general and that's what this teams needs. Lettin go of Baron was the hugest mistake they ever made. Credibility as a franchise went right out the door wit him.
Wright and Randolph have way to much upside to give up in a trade........Randolph is a big who can handle the ball well......Like Odom
Wright can play D, im gonna have to disagree with you there.....And ive seen Randolph Block some shots......This will be a big Mistake......
 

Joey

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I agree with Peete... Buike is a asset to this team (As a 6th or 7th man though), He is better off the bench when he doesn't have the pressure of trying to make things happen, but since we don't have much depth, he's forced to play out of character. g.
I agree with this.....He's playing out of character......Trying to make things happen is not his strong point....but if he lets the game come to him, and plays agressive than he's a strong player who can be an asset....
 
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What I took from that is that it's not that Nelson likes ball movement, it's that he understands now that they need to change the way they've been playing (including more ball movement) because what they've been doing isn't working.
"I dont enjoy coaching that kind of game, isolation basketball, I'd rather have a free flowing game where everybody gets to touch and participate" - Don Nelson
 
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Wright and Randolph have way to much upside to give up in a trade........Randolph is a big who can handle the ball well......Like Odom
Wright can play D, im gonna have to disagree with you there.....And ive seen Randolph Block some shots......This will be a big Mistake......
Agreed...W's will be kicking themselves in the ass in another few years if they trade Randolph now.