'Noah's Flood' Kick-started European Farming?

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The flood believed to be behind the Noah's Ark myth kick-started European agriculture, according to new research by the Universities of Exeter, UK and Wollongong, Australia.New research assesses the impact of the collapse of the North American (Laurentide) Ice Sheet, 8000 years ago. The results indicate a catastrophic rise in global sea level led to the flooding of the Black Sea and drove dramatic social change across Europe.

The research team argues that, in the face of rising sea levels driven by contemporary climate change, we can learn important lessons from the past.

The collapse of the Laurentide Ice Sheet released a deluge of water that increased global sea levels by up to 1.4 metres and caused the largest North Atlantic freshwater pulse of the last 100,000 years. Before this time, a ridge across the Bosporus Strait dammed the Mediterranean and kept the Black Sea as a freshwater lake. With the rise in sea level, the Bosporus Strait was breached, flooding the Black Sea.

This event is now widely believed to be behind the various folk myths that led to the biblical Noah's Ark story. Archaeological records show that around this time there was a sudden expansion of farming and pottery production across Europe, marking the end of the Mesolithic hunter-gatherer era and the start of the Neolithic. The link between rising sea levels and such massive social change has previously been unclear.

The researchers created reconstructions of the Mediterranean and Black Sea shoreline before and after the rise in sea levels. They estimated that nearly 73,000 square km of land was lost to the sea over a period of 34 years. Based on our knowledge of historical population levels, this could have led to the displacement of 145,000 people. Archaeological evidence shows that communities in southeast Europe were already practising early farming techniques and pottery production before the Flood. With the catastrophic rise in water levels it appears they moved west, taking their culture into areas inhabited by hunter-gatherer communities.

Professor Chris Turney of the University of Exeter, lead author of the paper, said: "People living in what is now southeast Europe must have felt as though the whole world had flooded. This could well have been the origin of the Noah's Ark story. Entire coastal communities must have been displaced, forcing people to migrate in their thousands. As these agricultural communities moved west, they would have taken farming with them across Europe. It was a revolutionary time."

The rise in global sea levels 8000 years ago is in-line with current estimates for the end of the 21st century. Professor Chris Turney continued: "This research shows how rising sea levels can cause massive social change. 8,000 years on, are we any better placed to deal with rising sea levels? The latest estimates suggest that by AD 2050, millions of people will be displaced each year by rising sea levels. For those people living in coastal communities, the omen isn't good."

This research was published in the journal Quaternary Science Reviews.

Adapted from materials provided by University of Exeter.

Retrieved November 19, 2007,

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071118213213.htm
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^I see two clear problems with their theory...including attribution of such "folk lore" to southeast Europeans.

1) The flood is unlikely to have been the source of such European "folk lore" seeing as how it isn't European tradition, but rather afro-asiatic. The afro-asiatic, or rather Semitic-speaking populations of Mesopotamia are the first of whom we can attribute this tradition, starting with the story of Gilgamesh. It is widely acknowledged that such tradition was PASSED ON to Europeans through the biblical text.

2) Agriculture (farming) doesn't have its origins in Europe as again, it was spread there as part of the Neolithic revolution, starting with the Natufians of the levant (thought to have also migrated from sub-Saharan east Africa). - See: The Questionable Contribution of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age to European Craniofacial Form, by C. Loring Brace, National Academy of Sciences (2006)

Surely it wasn't in reaction to a flood and associated novelty in social conditions, seeing as how it is another borrowed tradition (given the dominant hypothesis cited above).


Aside from that, the raw data does seem to confirm what has always been supported by scripture..
 

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the raw data definitely does not support what is written in the scripture, the scripture describes a global deluge and it is more than clear that nothing like this happened;

what probably happened are several local catastrophic events caused by the sea level increase (Black Sea and maybe the Persian gulf)

and these were recorded in the memory of people

however, this not only does not support the scripture, it casts even more doubt on it because if these were real local events caused by melting ice and the scripture talks about global flood caused by God to punish people for their sins, what is written in the the scripture is nothing more than a superstitious attempt to explain what happened
 
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Quit posting this scientific garbage that only "proves" that men and their research know more about the past than the only "KNOWN" documents to have survived through 1,000's of years.
 

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LMAO @ ''scientific garbage"

You know what is common between talibans and religous americans - they both live in the middle ages
 
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It's intimidating (as demonstrated above) that such events in the occupied region actually did occur, and was attested to by documents before science had a chance to catch up. The main offense delivered by the skeptics, is that it doesn't coincide with literal interpretation, which is an unbelievable high standard to impose given that the central claim has been confirmed (that there was indeed a major flood associated with the Mediterranean area in antiquity). The implications are two-fold, given an open mind to the prospect mentioned.

1) As indicated by the researchers, it wasn't a "global flood", but rather perceived that way as the flood affected most if not all of the general area.

2) Evidence of a larger flood is still withstanding, though the critical area of impact has been confirmed as being in the same area where the legends derive. How convenient that none have been discovered in the Americas, East Asia, Australia, and inner Africa thus far.:cool:
 

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It's intimidating (as demonstrated above) that such events in the occupied region actually did occur, and was attested to by documents before science had a chance to catch up. The main offense delivered by the skeptics, is that it doesn't coincide with literal interpretation, which is an unbelievable high standard to impose given that the central claim has been confirmed (that there was indeed a major flood associated with the Mediterranean area in antiquity).
As far as I know, the central claim of the biblical story is that there was a global flood that God sent to punish people for their sins...

and he sent it everywhere and we are all descended from the people who were on the ark

However, it is beyond any doubt that nothing like this happened

The implications are two-fold, given an open mind to the prospect mentioned.

1) As indicated by the researchers, it wasn't a "global flood", but rather perceived that way as the flood affected most if not all of the general area.
Exactly, it was perceived as global because nobody even knew that the planet is a sphere and is hundreds of time bigger than the region they were familiar with

This supports the idea that the Bible story is a nothing more than a myth based on a true natural disaster

2) Evidence of a larger flood is still withstanding, though the critical area of impact has been confirmed as being in the same area where the legends derive. How convenient that none have been discovered in the Americas, East Asia, Australia, and inner Africa thus far.:cool:
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html