No charges against Seattle officer who shot woodcarver.

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Unfortunately, its very believable. Seattle has had a rash of cop-on-citizen violence over the last 3 years to the point thats its getting out of control...and we are talking about things that are being RECORDED and SHOWN to the masses. At what point do people take a stand for their rights?
I know it is too. But reality is that was a drunk homeless guy. All the cop had to do was keep his distance. He wasn't going to rush nobody. It isn't the system that is the problem, it is the people running the system that are the problem. Letting this over agressive coward get away with this is asinine. This is the reason I go to school. Another big fuck you to us, the people.
 
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I know it is too. But reality is that was a drunk homeless guy. All the cop had to do was keep his distance. He wasn't going to rush nobody. It isn't the system that is the problem, it is the people running the system that are the problem. Letting this over agressive coward get away with this is asinine. This is the reason I go to school. Another big fuck you to us, the people.
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Clearly Seattle needs to disband their police force and get more of those superhero guys, but seriously why is there such an epidemic of police brutality in Seattle?? Do you think the police have become more stringent after the shootings of those police offers in Lakewood a couple years back??
 
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Spokane pigs be shootin people like crazy and gettin off free... one cop was drunk, off duty, and chased the fucker down and shot him in the back.
Good ole Spokane, cant believe the media swept that bomb at the MLK parade under the rug like they did, its crazy how different the ends of WA are
 
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I just saw the video and it seemed like the victim was just going from point A to point B in his own thoughts. Completely non-threatening.

Red Dragon should stop carrying so much weed on him. He might get shot.
 

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Why's everyone referring to this guy as wood carver instead of using his name? Also, I just found out he was a Canadian. Fuck the Seattle Police. Fuck police in general, too.
 
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Clearly Seattle needs to disband their police force and get more of those superhero guys, but seriously why is there such an epidemic of police brutality in Seattle?? Do you think the police have become more stringent after the shootings of those police offers in Lakewood a couple years back??
of course that had a lot to do with it, but i think if you look at the shooting death of Timothy Brenton on halloween a month before that, the suspect, christopher monfort, was someone who talked big on police reform and stopping police brutality, and finally snapped. right before that he attempted to firebomb a bunch of police cars at a maintenance yard. he basically declared war on the police, and it was mostly because of sheriff deputy Paul Schene beating a 15 year old girl in a holding cell, and getting away with it Scot-free.

my point is that his rage was boiled over, and the police have long been entrenched into this ultra-violent gang war way of policing things. with each police shooting and act of police brutality that happens in seattle the pack gets tighter and more protective of each other. the seattle police will never change from the inside, the feds are going to be needed to change shit and get things back to when the police are looked at as a trusted ally of the community, not some military like gang with a license to kill.

many ppl (seattle times random comments section) in seattle have been thinking maybe cops shouldnt be joining the force so shortly after being a soldier, maybe more needs to be looked at in regards to PTSD and the seattle police mentality. i believe birk was a soldier or in the national guard or something





 
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I swear to god, if a cop ever kills one of my family members the way they killed this guy..

I'd hunt down that faggot cop and all of his family ...I'm talking about cousins, brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, uncles, etc....

fuck all that shit...

I had a dream a few nights ago about someone hi-jacking a network and telling everyone in the U.S. to arm themselves and shoot at any police they see on sight...

weird shit tho..
 
Aug 24, 2003
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this is not enough imo

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Officer Birk quits after SPD rebuke


Seattle police Officer Ian Birk resigned Wednesday, hours after department brass released a scathing report of his fatal shooting of woodcarver John T. Williams. However, he will not face criminal charges.


By Steve Miletich and Jennifer Sullivan

Seattle Times staff reporters



Seattle police Officer Ian Birk bowed Wednesday to what appeared to be his certain firing, resigning hours after department brass released a scathing report of his fatal shooting of woodcarver John T. Williams.

Mayor Mike McGinn and Police Chief John Diaz had strongly signaled that Birk would be fired in a matter of weeks, despite the announcement earlier Wednesday by King County prosecutors that they wouldn't seek murder or manslaughter charges against the 27-year-old officer.

Birk's resignation capped an extraordinary day that began with King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg explaining his decision to not charge Birk, triggering outrage among members of Williams' family, and ended with protests over the prosecutor's decision.

Between them was a Police Department news conference that featured a blistering review of the Williams shooting, which the department's Firearms Review Board found unjustified.

"John T. Williams did not pose a threat of serious harm to the officers or others," Diaz said, adding that Birk did not follow training and department policy when he used deadly force.

Birk's departure resolved one issue in the city's most controversial police shooting in years, but not the widespread anger and distrust that it has generated.

McGinn acknowledged the deeper problem at a City Hall news conference punctuated by angry outbursts from the audience.

McGinn said the city needs to repair the damage spawned by the shooting and other controversial confrontations between officers and minorities.

He bluntly called on the police union to "come to the table," saying it needs to be less defensive over issues such as race and social-justice training.

McGinn said that any attempt to change the culture and practices of the Police Department would "take a long time" but that he and Diaz had put in place changes, including reviews of officer training.

He said the current review of the department's practices by the U.S. Department of Justice would give the city some answers and called on police to shift the emphasis from "when we can use force" to "when we should use force."

Despite Birk's resignation, police officials said the internal investigation of the officer would be completed, with a finding on the appropriate disciplinary action. Depending on the finding, it could prevent Birk from becoming a police officer elsewhere in the state.

In addition, federal prosecutors have been monitoring the case to determine whether Birk should be criminally charged with violating Williams' civil rights.


No evidence to charge Birk

Satterberg began the day declaring at a news conference that state law prevents him from charging Birk in the Aug. 30 shooting of Williams, 50, a street inebriate and member of Canada's First Nations.

Satterberg said he's troubled by some of Birk's actions, including his quick decision to fire but that there's no evidence Birk acted with malice or criminal intent, elements required to bring a charge.

In carefully measured words, Satterberg said he determined that Birk believed Williams was a threat when he shot him near downtown Seattle.

Satterberg said he reviewed Birk's testimony in last month's fact-finding inquest into the shooting and the jury's mixed findings.

Birk "committed serious tactical errors" in the confrontation, Satterberg said, but state law gives police more protection than citizens against prosecution in use of deadly force. He said there was no evidence to "overcome" the law.

He acknowledged that reaction to the shooting has sparked a "deep divide" in the community as well as in the Police Department.

"But we do not, and we legally cannot, put police officers on trial for murder or send them to prison for exercising their discretion to use deadly force in good faith and without malice, however tragic the outcome may be," Satterberg said.

Diaz, during the Police Department news conference, followed with a promise to reach a disciplinary finding in the shooting by the middle of next month.

Deputy Chief Clark Kimerer said Birk would have the opportunity to make a statement to the Police Department's Office of Professional Accountability and to meet personally with the police chief before Diaz made a disciplinary decision.

Diaz stopped short of saying he planned to fire Birk, saying he wanted to carefully follow employment rules. But Diaz said he needed to reach a decision "without a moment's delay."

"The city needs this. This family needs this," Diaz said.

McGinn, during his own news conference, expressed frustration with the length of time it has taken to hold Birk accountable.

"I know the public finds the lack of action frustrating," McGinn said. "So do I. The laws that govern this issue place greater value on the officer's due-process rights, and rights in his job, than the public's expectation that improper use of force will be swiftly and appropriately dealt with."

Violations of policy

The shooting occurred after Birk saw Williams cross the street holding a piece of wood and a knife with a 3-inch blade. He used the knife for carving, his family said.

Birk got out of his patrol car and followed Williams onto the sidewalk. Birk shouted at Williams to get his attention and ordered him three times to put down the knife. Birk fired when Williams didn't respond, hitting him four times.

Birk testified at the inquest that he was initially concerned because Williams showed signs of impairment while carrying a knife. When he sought to question Williams, he said, Williams turned toward him with a "very stern, very serious, very confrontational look."

Birk told jurors Williams "still had the knife out and [was in] a very confrontational posture" when Birk opened fire.

Two witnesses contradicted Birk, saying they didn't see Williams do anything threatening.

Williams' knife was found in the closed position after the shooting.

Jurors unanimously found that Williams was carrying an open knife when first seen by Birk. But four said "no" and four said "unknown" when asked if the blade was extended when Birk fired.

Police officials said they found clear violations of department policies on Birk's part when he confronted Williams and opened fire in about four seconds.

The Firearms Review Board concluded Birk didn't properly identify himself as a police officer and acted too quickly. The board also determined that Birk didn't appropriately assess the situation, including options such as taking cover.

The board's four voting members unanimously determined the shooting was "outside of [department] policy, tactics and training," the board said in a report to Diaz.

Kimerer said "the conclusions and the fact pattern that we determined are among the most egregious failings that I have seen."

"These are, in my own experience, very profound findings. I have never authored a final report of this kind in my 30 years on the Seattle Police Department," he said, adding "when we undertook the analysis of this situation, it was heart-wrenching because what we were seeing was an outcome that could have been avoided."

After Birk's resignation, McGinn issued a written statement, saying Birk apparently "saw the writing on the wall."

"He could read the same Firearms Review Board report that the rest of us did," McGinn said.

"A good young officer"

Birk, who joined the department in July 2008, has been on paid administrative leave since the shooting.

Sgt. Rich O'Neill, president of the Seattle Police Officers' Guild, said Wednesday that he and guild attorneys met with Birk for several hours over two days, discussing the officer's options.

"It was obvious they were going to try and terminate him," so the discussions included talk of Birk's appeal rights and the possibility he could be reinstated, O'Neill said, noting that process could have taken 10 to 11 months to complete.

Ultimately, Birk made his decision based "on what's right for him and his family," O'Neill said.

"I didn't know him before this, but I know him now, and he is a good person. He is a good young man; he was a good young officer," O'Neill said. "Could he have done things differently? I'm sure he's the first to admit he wishes the outcome was different."

O'Neill said he doesn't know if Birk wants to be a police officer in another jurisdiction, but said there are no grounds for Birk to be decommissioned as a law-enforcement officer.

Joe Hawe, executive director of the Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission, said Wednesday that if the Police Department sends over its findings it will be up to the commission to review the case and do its own investigation.

If the commission, after a hearings process, determines Birk should be decertified, "he would not be able to be a police officer in the state of Washington," Hawe said.

"Getting away with it"

Satterberg's announcement was met with widespread anger. Protesters gathered at City Hall and later near Westlake Center. Later in the evening, several hundred marched to Boren Avenue and Howell Street, where Williams was shot.

Patricia Ann Wilson, a local artist, carried a piece of artwork as she marched, as a tribute to the man she'd once bought a carving from.

"I feel very connected to him," she said, adding that Willaims' death offered one purpose: "To show us what's wrong with the police."

A group of the protesters broke from the crowd at Boren and Howell to head to the East Precinct on Capitol Hill, but police closed the road a block from the precinct. The crowd later regrouped at the Westlake Center, where a protester, Greg West, 49, of Seattle, was nudged by a passing car.

He said he was not injured and declined medical treatment. Most protesters had left the intersection by about 9:30 p.m.

"It is like he is getting away with murder," said Nancy Williams, one of John Williams' sisters in Vancouver, B.C. "He's getting away with it. He is going to have a smirk on his face and he is going to go crazy with that gun, thinking he can get away with it. It really ticks me off. It shouldn't end that way."

Attorneys for the family called Satterberg's decision "wrong about the facts, wrong about the law and wrong as a matter of public policy."

But Williams' brother, Harvey Williams, 58, said he had already made up his own mind to forgive Birk for the shooting, for the sake of his own healing. He said he wasn't surprised by Wednesday's announcement.

"I didn't really expect anything to happen. I didn't expect charges. The laws protect anyone in office. Nothing has changed," he said.

He said Williams' family plans to file a civil suit.

Seattle Times staff reporters Lynda V. Mapes, Lynn Thompson, Sara Jean Green, Christine Clarridge and Olivia Bobrowsky contributed to this story, which includes information from Times archives.

Steve Miletich: 206-464-3302 or [email protected]

Jennifer Sullivan: 206-464-8294 or [email protected]
 
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some more words to read if youre interested in the laws that protect police from being prosecuted for murder
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Why is it so hard to prosecute a cop? A question of malice

Washington's 25-year-old law regulating of the deadly force by police provides a much broader defense than most other states' laws, a key reason that officers are rarely prosecuted in this state.

By Jonathan Martin

Seattle Times staff reporter



Washington's 25-year-old law regulating the use of deadly force by police provides a much broader defense than most other states' laws, a key reason that officers are rarely prosecuted in this state.

The law lays out a four-part test for determining whether use of deadly force is justifiable homicide. The officer must reasonably believe the suspect is attempting to commit a felony; has probable cause to believe his life is in danger, or that or others' lives are; and that the force is "necessary."

But the fourth provision sets an even higher bar: The officer is justified if he is acting "without malice" and in "good faith." Malice is defined in some cases as an "evil intent" or an "abandoned and malignant heart."

"Most states don't have a specific standard like that," said David Harris, a University of Pittsburgh law professor who studies the use of force. Instead, states more often give prosecutors broader discretion in determining whether to charge officers, he said.

Malice is extremely hard to prove, especially against police officers, who jurors are predisposed to believe are the "good guys," said Harris. "Putting a police officer on trial effectively turns the world upside down for the average person."

On Wednesday, King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg cited the "malice" provision in his nine-page analysis as a reason for not charging Seattle police Officer Ian Birk with killing First Nations woodcarver John T. Williams.

Birk didn't know Williams and had no known animus against Native Americans, the homeless or the mentally ill, according to the analysis.

At a news conference, Satterberg said "a jury could not possibly find unanimously and beyond a reasonable doubt that Officer Birk acted with malice or bad intent."

Seattle attorney Tim Ford, who represents Williams' family, disputed Satterberg's analysis, citing evidence that Birk instigated the deadly confrontation with Williams.

"The question is, why couldn't a jury find malice?" Ford asked at an afternoon news conference.

Washington's justifiable-homicide law was passed in 1986 in the wake of a U.S. Supreme Court case, Tennessee v. Garner, which limited police officers' authority to shoot fleeing suspects. At the time, Washington's law allowed deadly force simply if a suspect was "fleeing from justice."

The changes were introduced by then-Sens. Phil Talmadge and George Fleming, who also introduced a bill banning the use of chokeholds in state prisons.


Talmadge said Fleming, an African-American legislator from Seattle, intended the law to limit use of deadly force against minorities. They drafted the justifiable-homicide bill based on the recent Supreme Court case law, although it was amended during debate to grant wider protections for use of force by police, Talmadge said.

"We both were roundly criticized by law enforcement," said Talmadge, who went on to serve on the state Supreme Court. "They weren't happy with the bills we proposed."

The effect of the law has been to limit prosecutions of police. The only known exception was a 2009 Snohomish County case in which a jury found an Everett police officer not guilty of killing a drunken driver. A civil claim in that case was settled Wednesday.

In that case, prosecutors sought to show malice by alleging that the officer said something like: "Time to end this; enough is enough," and then opened fire.

Samuel Walker, a University of Nebraska criminal justice emeritus professor, said prosecutions of police nationwide are so rare that many advocates have given up on that strategy and now focus on the police disciplinary process.

"Many activists want a conviction as their definition of justice," said Walker. "The brutal truth is you rarely get it."

Seattle Times staff reporter Lynda Mapes and news researcher David Turim contributed to this report. Jonathan Martin: 206-464-2605 or [email protected]
 
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Reactions to the decision to not bring charges in the shooting of John T. Williams

The decision by King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg not to bring charges in the shooting of John T. Williams brought strong reaction.


King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg:


"The policy of this state is to give police officers this special protection. The underlying policy, passed 25 years ago, is a sound one. My first and foremost responsibility is to follow the laws in the state of Washington. I had to look and see, 'Is there malice, is there a lack of good faith?' "

Seattle City Councilmember Bruce Harrell:

"I want to acknowledge that the King County Prosecutor's decision today leaves many people angry and disappointed. I've read the prosecutor's decision and I understand his reasoning, but I fully appreciate that it won't sit well with many in our city."

Seattle Police Chief John Diaz:

"I cannot stress how important this is. A man is dead. We owe it to him, we owe it to his family to not just do this quickly, but to do this right."

Ida Edward, John T. Williams' mother:

"I know [Birk] did wrong. And the Lord knows he did wrong. So it is going to be between him and the Lord. If I keep holding a grudge against him, I'll be hating the police officer, and I would rather hold back my hate. I will hold it back."

Nancy Williams, John T. Williams' sister:

"It is like he is getting away with murder. He is going to have a smirk on his face, and he is going to go crazy with that gun, thinking he can get away with it. It really ticks me off. It shouldn't end that way. I want him in jail. If it was anybody else other than him they would have been in the slammer already."

Harvey Williams, John T. Williams' brother:

"The police force is judge, jury and executioner. There needs to be a clear message that the police force is there to protect the people. And the archaic law that protects police officers needs to be changed."


Rich O'Neill, president of the Seattle Police Officers' Guild:

"Tactically, could he have made different decisions? Sure. But he committed no crime. He can now move on. The vicious things he was called — murderer, racist, a liar — he doesn't have to put up with that anymore."

Sweetwater Nannauck, Native community activist:

"I thought this might be a steppingstone for change, to do something for future generations. Instead it is a step back, not a step forward. All this talk about working with the community, all that crap, it's just words. It doesn't mean anything."

Denise Stiffarm, Gros Ventre tribal member, and president, board of directors, Chief Seattle Club:

"I am gravely disappointed. ... This sends a strong message to the Legislature that they need to review the standard [for bringing charges] so an egregious incident like this isn't allowed to slip through our legal system."

Jennifer Shaw, deputy director, American Civil Liberties Union of Washington:

"We think this shooting is just a symptom of a bigger problem, which is why we want the U.S. Department of Justice to come in and do a full investigation of the Seattle Police Department."

Ted Buck, attorney for Ian Birk:

"I wasn't surprised by the decision not to charge. There isn't anything criminal in what happened out there. As to his decision to resign, it's a heartbreaking thing. He is an extraordinary, committed young man. This is a career that has been tragically cut short. It's been an extraordinarily emotional and traumatic event and he has decided it is in his best interest and his family's interest to simply move forward."
 

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Yeah I read that shit at work and was having a hard time not going downstairs onto Pike St. and punching the first cop I saw.

Not really because that wouldn't improve anything but all that shit is a fucking joke.