^^^Thats true that with a good line and average qb can be good but with a bad oline your superstar qb will suck balls. I did happen to see the fumble as a matter of fact and i thought it should have been intentional grounding. I also saw the d on the field but if you noticed they didnt call that many throwing plays. You cant blame him for that. If anyone deserves the blame is the running back cause they were giving them the ball so they could run the clock down but they couldnt get a damn first down. Also we won what the fuck is there to be mad about. We lose and fools are mad we win and fools are mad what the fuck makes you guys happy. Ive been a niner all my life too but im not complaining. Im not satisfied with some shit and I hope they fix it which i think nolan will. Go Niners!!!!
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Most "Superstar" QBs will be fine with any starting line in football, including SF's or whoever has the worst O-Line. I'm not saying he would do any good with some high schoolers blocking for him but any linemen at the pro level will be adequate for a great QB. Awareness, vision, quick releases, accuracy.... they will all help, and Rattay lacks all of those attributes.
As for the fumble, it was a fumble. At first I thought it could be intentional grounding until I saw the replay with the view that was right in front of Rattay. He pump faked, then brought it back and got hit. His arm was not going in a forward motion, in fact he just pushed the ball forward like a little girl. You have to cock back and then sling forward in order for it to be considered a pass. Even Brett Favre's shovel pass does it and that's why it's considered a pass. Rattay just pushed it away from his hands as if he was trying not to be caught with it.
As for them not calling many passing plays, it is my personal opinion that Nolan does not have the confidence in Rattay to be calling a whole lot of passing plays. He was trying to establish the ground attack in order to lift some pressure off of Rattay so he could get the air attack going. That didn't work because Barlow is weak as fuck. You don't think the coaching staff noticed that? They knew, trust me. But they also knew that it was only a matter of time before Rattay made another crucial mistake, which would have more than likely cost them the game.
Anyway, the reason I'm mad is because they're starting a QB that has been given the opportunity to make advancements in his game and hasn't come through, instead of starting their Number One draft pick who needs this playing time to gain experience and progress with his career. Also, the fashion that Rattay earned the job also pisses me off. How can you compare the play of a rookie QB who is in against first string defenses to the play of a seasoned QB who is playing against 2nd and 3rd string defensive players in the preseason? The O-Line looked good on the passing plays on Sunday, I know Alex Smith would have done just as well as Rattay did. The thing that should be seperating the two here is the quick decision making that Rattay SHOULD have, but doesn't.
Well, that's enough ranting for me tonight.
GO NINERS!!!!
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As for the fumble, it was a fumble. At first I thought it could be intentional grounding until I saw the replay with the view that was right in front of Rattay. He pump faked, then brought it back and got hit. His arm was not going in a forward motion, in fact he just pushed the ball forward like a little girl. You have to cock back and then sling forward in order for it to be considered a pass. Even Brett Favre's shovel pass does it and that's why it's considered a pass. Rattay just pushed it away from his hands as if he was trying not to be caught with it.
As for them not calling many passing plays, it is my personal opinion that Nolan does not have the confidence in Rattay to be calling a whole lot of passing plays. He was trying to establish the ground attack in order to lift some pressure off of Rattay so he could get the air attack going. That didn't work because Barlow is weak as fuck. You don't think the coaching staff noticed that? They knew, trust me. But they also knew that it was only a matter of time before Rattay made another crucial mistake, which would have more than likely cost them the game.
Anyway, the reason I'm mad is because they're starting a QB that has been given the opportunity to make advancements in his game and hasn't come through, instead of starting their Number One draft pick who needs this playing time to gain experience and progress with his career. Also, the fashion that Rattay earned the job also pisses me off. How can you compare the play of a rookie QB who is in against first string defenses to the play of a seasoned QB who is playing against 2nd and 3rd string defensive players in the preseason? The O-Line looked good on the passing plays on Sunday, I know Alex Smith would have done just as well as Rattay did. The thing that should be seperating the two here is the quick decision making that Rattay SHOULD have, but doesn't.
Well, that's enough ranting for me tonight.
GO NINERS!!!!
LOL.
Fatalnyghtmare.... I agreed with your whole analysis of the Niners game until you got on Rattay. Rattay is an above average quarterback with a whole lot of class. He's currently one of the highest rated quarterbacks in the league even though it's only week one. Just think about the receivers he has to work with, the beat up offensive line, and the poor running game with booty Barlow. I don't think that it was a fumble but if it was oh well.... he was trying to get rid of it. QB's make mistakes. But I think that Rattay is pretty much under appreciated by some of the fans and management. They don't even need Alex Smith so he's making money not doing anything. Rattay beat Smith out easily in the pre-season. Rattay is a pretty good quarterback.... I don't understand why he's getting dogged out by some of the Niner fans.
Also I think it would be pretty stupid to start Alex Smith right now. He's too raw. Rattay is better and experienced. Alex Smith is too used to taking snaps from the Shotgun formation and then rolling out(like he did in college). This is the NFL. He is not used to taking snaps from under center directly. He needs to adjust and learn how to drop back and throw the ball. His mechanics are all off. That's why he was getting blasted in the pre-season. I would start who ever gives my team the best chance to win. And that's clearly Rattay.
tony i thought you might know something about football until you went and said rattay is above average. he is garbage i dont know what the fuck you been watching homeslice. and look at the line and receivers he has to work with? you dumbass his receiving core is sick and the line did very good last sunday. this is coming from a niner hater i just wont deny they got a good receiving core.
You're the dumbass! You're calling their receiving core sick? Are you serious? Brandon Lloyd is pretty good but that's about it. Compare their receiving core to the Raiders, Colts, Rams, Cardinals, Panthers, etc... They don't have a Randy Moss, T.O., Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Chad Johnson, Joe Horn, Musin Muhammed, Steve Smith, Fitzgerald, etc.... The niners have Johnnie Morton!LOL! So if want to call their receiving core sick then you go right ahead because you're the dumbass. Obviously you don't know football.
rattay has to step it up, coming in after joe montana, steve young, and jeff garcia is no easy task, and he knows it. but if yall think about it, everybody was expecting alex smith to be starter, and rattay stepped it up, when he saw that smith did not. either way, i pick niners over the eagles....biaitch!
Tony Tonie Toni....
Your defense of Tim Rattay is ridiculous. Above average? Aaron Brooks is slightly above average, so are you implying Tim Rattay is as good or better than Brooks? Please. Rattay "earned" his spot by stepping it up against 2nd and 3rd string players in the preseason. Alex Smith lost his spot because he was put against 1st string players for his very first snaps in the NFL. As a rookie you are expected to not do so well in those situations. Look at Eli Manning in NY, he looked horrible the first few times he played.... but he got his chance to gain experience and now he's doing pretty good. That's what is gonna have to happen with Alex Smith or he will be nothing more than a $50 million bench-warmer. Look at my pervious post about Rattay homie, nobody can deny what I've said about him. HE SUCKS. Point blank.
As for the Niner receivers.... they are better than you think.... AS A UNIT. You're right, they don't have a Randy Moss or T.O. or Marvin Harrisson, but none of those great receivers play on the same team. Johnnie Morton is still an acceptional receiver and Arnaz Battle is above average. Brandon Lloyd is by far the best on the team and is a great route runner and has some of the best hands in the league. He only lacks size and strength, but so did the best receiver to ever play the game (#80). Lloyd is still young and will become one of the top receivers in the league in the next few seasons. Bet on it. Also you can throw in Eric Johnson, he's one of the better receiving TE's. Don't try to make it seem like Rattay has nobody to throw the fuckin ball to homeboy. He has plenty of targets, he just sucks.
And the O-Line did a great job against the pass. The run was a different story completely. But the blame for that should not be placed on the line, it should be placed on Kevin Barlow. Tell me why Frank Gore did just fine when he got the chance to run, but Barlow licked nuts. The answer is because Barlow sucks, just like Rattay.
You're spending too much time trying to discredit Krazy Flowz but making no valid arguements.
Your defense of Tim Rattay is ridiculous. Above average? Aaron Brooks is slightly above average, so are you implying Tim Rattay is as good or better than Brooks? Please. Rattay "earned" his spot by stepping it up against 2nd and 3rd string players in the preseason. Alex Smith lost his spot because he was put against 1st string players for his very first snaps in the NFL. As a rookie you are expected to not do so well in those situations. Look at Eli Manning in NY, he looked horrible the first few times he played.... but he got his chance to gain experience and now he's doing pretty good. That's what is gonna have to happen with Alex Smith or he will be nothing more than a $50 million bench-warmer. Look at my pervious post about Rattay homie, nobody can deny what I've said about him. HE SUCKS. Point blank.
As for the Niner receivers.... they are better than you think.... AS A UNIT. You're right, they don't have a Randy Moss or T.O. or Marvin Harrisson, but none of those great receivers play on the same team. Johnnie Morton is still an acceptional receiver and Arnaz Battle is above average. Brandon Lloyd is by far the best on the team and is a great route runner and has some of the best hands in the league. He only lacks size and strength, but so did the best receiver to ever play the game (#80). Lloyd is still young and will become one of the top receivers in the league in the next few seasons. Bet on it. Also you can throw in Eric Johnson, he's one of the better receiving TE's. Don't try to make it seem like Rattay has nobody to throw the fuckin ball to homeboy. He has plenty of targets, he just sucks.
And the O-Line did a great job against the pass. The run was a different story completely. But the blame for that should not be placed on the line, it should be placed on Kevin Barlow. Tell me why Frank Gore did just fine when he got the chance to run, but Barlow licked nuts. The answer is because Barlow sucks, just like Rattay.
You're spending too much time trying to discredit Krazy Flowz but making no valid arguements.
What do you mean I am not making valid arguements? Aaron Brooks is a very good quarterback. To compare Brooks and Rattay is a waste of time. Brooks tears him up everytime. I am not saying that the 49ers core of receivers are straight garbage.... but come on now.... Johnnie Morton is no real threat anymore. Brandon Lloyd is pretty good because he can jump and he has a nice set of hands but as a core they are not going to scare anyone. Those receivers can be covered one on one most of the time. Rattay is making them better because of his accuracy and where he's placing the ball. How you can say Rattay sucks when he's currently one of the highest rated quarterbacks in the league (even though it's only week one)? If you need to know he's currently the 2nd highest rated quarterback in the league. For his career every year he's completed over 60% of his passes. If Rattay goes down your team won't win a game with Alex Smith starting. So it looks like my points are valid. How can you call a quarterback garbage when he's completing over 60% of his passes for his career (while getting beat up behind that terrible offensive line)?
Eli Manning is still not doing too good. Even though they won Sunday he didn't even complete 50% of his passes throwing for two TD's and two INT's (one that was returned for a score). Right now Eli is just going off of the hype because of his big brother. If he wasn't Peyton's little brother he'd be garbage to the football community!
I agree about Barlow. Barlow is too in-decisive so he doesn't hit the hole like he should but still the running game was anemic do to your offensive line. Come on now 34 total yards rushing? You can't blame all of it on Barlow. Your offensive line is booty. Just watch throughout the season. Your offense is only as good as Rattay. Your receivers (as a unit) are average and the offensive line not good.
Eli Manning is still not doing too good. Even though they won Sunday he didn't even complete 50% of his passes throwing for two TD's and two INT's (one that was returned for a score). Right now Eli is just going off of the hype because of his big brother. If he wasn't Peyton's little brother he'd be garbage to the football community!
I agree about Barlow. Barlow is too in-decisive so he doesn't hit the hole like he should but still the running game was anemic do to your offensive line. Come on now 34 total yards rushing? You can't blame all of it on Barlow. Your offensive line is booty. Just watch throughout the season. Your offense is only as good as Rattay. Your receivers (as a unit) are average and the offensive line not good.
I agree 100%. But Brooks is not a great QB. He's above average at best, and that's what you're calling Rattay.
LMAO!!!!
I watch and study this fucker every single time he blows it for my team. He is far from accurate. You must be watching too many highlights on the news homie, that's the only way you can truly believe the dude is an accurate passer. Peyton Manning is an accurate passer, but Rattay....
Can we please stop the bullshit? It's been one week, and he only tossed 15 passes all game.
LMAO!!!!
He's only been a starter for one year!! A total of like 11 games and he's lost 9 of them. I don't care how many passes he's dumped off to Barlow, I CAN DO THAT SHIT.
See above.
It was better than his first few games, wasn't it? Exactly. My point was a young QB needs to be played in order to get better.
The line is NOT that bad. And yes I can blame it all on Barlow. Frank Gore had a few rush attempts and produced yardage. Not much, but more yards per play than Barlow.... If they had handed Gore the ball more they would have had a much better day on the ground. If it were truly the line's fault then Gore would have done just as bad as Barlow.
LMAO!!!!
I watch and study this fucker every single time he blows it for my team. He is far from accurate. You must be watching too many highlights on the news homie, that's the only way you can truly believe the dude is an accurate passer. Peyton Manning is an accurate passer, but Rattay....
Can we please stop the bullshit? It's been one week, and he only tossed 15 passes all game.
LMAO!!!!
He's only been a starter for one year!! A total of like 11 games and he's lost 9 of them. I don't care how many passes he's dumped off to Barlow, I CAN DO THAT SHIT.
See above.
It was better than his first few games, wasn't it? Exactly. My point was a young QB needs to be played in order to get better.
The line is NOT that bad. And yes I can blame it all on Barlow. Frank Gore had a few rush attempts and produced yardage. Not much, but more yards per play than Barlow.... If they had handed Gore the ball more they would have had a much better day on the ground. If it were truly the line's fault then Gore would have done just as bad as Barlow.
I think you're too hard on Rattay man. They didnt need 200 yards. What can you expect with an average unit of receivers and no running game? Yeah I thought they should of given Gore more touches too. He looked decisive and he looks faster than Barlow. And yes I be watching the game. Rattay is pretty accurate.
I only brought that up because you were bringing up his stats.... QB rating is meaningless when you throw for such a low amount of yards and minimal attempts. He could have thrown 4 passes to the RB and have one of them be a TD and I guarantee a 140.0+ QB Rating.
And they almost DID need 200 or more yards because they almost went into OT. The offense needs to function more effectively and that STARTS with the QB which unfortunately is Tim Rattay.
That's my opinion on him. You have your own. I hope Rattay can prove me wrong and make me a fan of his, but I highly doubt that will ever happen.
And they almost DID need 200 or more yards because they almost went into OT. The offense needs to function more effectively and that STARTS with the QB which unfortunately is Tim Rattay.
That's my opinion on him. You have your own. I hope Rattay can prove me wrong and make me a fan of his, but I highly doubt that will ever happen.
I see your point but the fact is... he didn't get that high quarterback rating dumping off to the RB's. I'll admit he didn't have too many attempts but when he did attempt to throw he was pretty accurate and if you look at his YPA (yards per attempt) he averaged over 10 yards per attempt at that. That's pretty good for a quarterback that supposedly sucks. Well you may never be a fan of his but hopefully your opinion will change about him. But lets wait a few weeks. This week I know your opinion about him won't change because you guys face a pissed off Philadelphia Eagles team. If the Niners can somewhat run the ball your team might be Ok but if not, Rattay is not going to look good especially since Philly is coming off of a loss. Everyone (Rattay, the o-line, and core of receivers) will get tested this week. So Philly should exploit your teams weaknesses. They held Atlanta scoreless for 3 quarters. But anyway I am not saying that Rattay is the greatest but I don't think he's all that bad either. We'll see as the season goes on...
But right on for not insulting me and discussing this like men mayne!!
But right on for not insulting me and discussing this like men mayne!!
Right on Tony I see your point, but it doesn't change my opinion of Rattay. I'm not saying he is the worst QB out there, but I feel the Niners need someone much better than he can be in order to go on with the rebuilding process. The D is solid as fuck and the special teams unit is also very solid, but the offense needs work. I desperately want Alex Smith to start playing, even if he has to share the time with Rattay because like I've said he needs to gain experience or he will never improve. He is our future QB regardless of Rattay starting this season. The way I see it, the Niners are not going to the Bowl this year so they might as well let Smith do his thing. Same with Frank Gore.... Start these rookies because with experience they will be much better than the current starters. Shit, Gore is already better than Barlow. Barlow either has a really good game or a really shitty one, so if he starts this week I hope he has a really good one.
While I like smith I think rattay gives the niners a better chance of winning. His own college coach said that he would be unservicable his first year because alex smith is the type of person who has to know the playbook by memory before he feels confident and can play with out thinking because he dosent like to make mistakes. Obviously Nolan likes rattay he even said that he has a better presence in the huddle then does smith that is why the first unit plays better with rattay. Him and lloyd also have know each other better and have a good chemistry which he is getting now with battle. I think rattay is a good quarterback and he will prove it this year. Last year was a bad year for everyone and the guy was never healthy. I remember 2 years ago when he took over for garcia he won 2 games and he had above average stats. Last year he also had a good game but the oline sucked and he still managed to gain 400+ yards. Yes it was against the shitty cardinals but hey let the man prove himself. If in a couple weeks he still stinking it up like you say he is. Ill be the first to say you were right. But i dont think you are at this point.
Shit sounds like PTI up in here. Wilbon and Kornheiser, like it or not Alex Smith just isnt ready Nolan knows that he should hold the clipboard for a year, alot of great Qbs did that there first couple years. SHit we won point blank period all them ESPN guru's said we where going to get blown out by that explosive Greatest show on turf yes turf but that grass is green in Frisco....We are gonna pull another shocker this week Philly aint the same team there players know now that there aint no gold in Philly you want money better leave the city of brotherly love. Simon is gone they cut Hugh Douglass, Westbrook broke off contract talks, TO is TO, and Mcnabb is hurt shit Philly is ripe for the picking...
Stop Hating start congradulating
Stop Hating start congradulating