Nation Of Islam Lutinent Khalid Muhammad Debate With Jewish Scholars At Coll!
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Here's my wikipedia cut and paste job. Colored all text since I didn't feel like recoloring links.
- God's incarnation
- NOI teaches that "Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited Messiah of the Christians and the Mahdi of the Muslims.
- Orthodox Sunni and Shi'a Muslim doctrine is that Islam teaches that it is heretical and blasphemous to believe that God would manifest Himself in human form (or any material form).
- Resurrection of the dead
- NOI teaches the resurrection of the dead—not in physical resurrection—but in mental resurrection. They believe that the Black man and woman of America are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first.[citation needed]
- Traditional Sunni and Shi'a Muslim doctrine is that Islam teaches that there will literally be a physical resurrection of the billions of physically dead people worldwide, and that resurrected souls (or bodies) will be sent to paradise or hell.
- Relations with whites
- NOI teaches that the black man is the original man, and from him came all brown, yellow, red, and white people. By using a special method of birth control law, the Blackman was able to produce the white race. This method of birth control was developed by a Black scientist known as Yakub, who envisioned making and teaching a nation of people who would be diametrically opposed to the Original People. A race of people who would one day rule the original (black, red, brown, yellow) people and the earth for a period of 6,000 years. Yakub promised his followers that he would graft a nation from his own people, and he would teach them how to rule his people, through a system of tricks and lies whereby they use deceit to divide and conquer, and break the unity of the darker people, put one brother against another, and then act as mediators and rule both sides. (Elijah Muhammad, Message to the Blackman in America, Muhammad's Temple No. 2, 1965 & Dorothy Blake Fardan, Yakub and the Origins of White Supremacy, Lushena Books, 2001)
- Traditional Sunni and Shi'a Muslim doctrine is that Islam immensely differs from the NOI on the topic of equality. Al-Islam teaches that all races and people are created equal in the eyes of God. All people are born as Muslims (but many digress from the right path due to a lack of knowledge or were born into families of unbelievers). Islam strongly rejects any form of racism, sexism and anti-semitism, the Prophet Muhammad, in his last sermon stated: "All humankind is from Adam and Eve...a white (person) has no superiority over a Black (person) nor a Black has any superiority over a white except by piety and good action. Learn that Muslims are brothers to each other and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Truly, the noblest of you with God is the most pious"[11]. In addition, the Qur'an emphasises equality of all humanity: "O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous. Truly, God is all-aware, all-knowing" (Quran, 49:13). Furthermore, liking any individual(s) to God is a form of 'shirk' - a major sin in the Islam[12]. Islam recognizes the Biblical and Qur’anic figure, the patriarch Jacob, but this Jacob is viewed by Muslims as a prophet, and is not connected to the Yakub of the NOI. Traditional Islam does not teach of Yakub as it exists in Nation of Islam theology.
- Another point of dispute between the NOI and other Muslims concerns perspectives on the Quran. The vast majority of Muslims, worldwide, believe that it was Allah's last revelation to mankind and that this occurred between the years of 610 and 632 CE. The Nation of Islam teachings on the subject are seen by some of these individuals as contradictory to this belief.[citation needed] On the one hand, NOI states that they believe in the Qur'an and the writings of all the prophets of God. On the other hand, the organization also states that they believe that they are the original nation, the writers of the Bible and Qur'an, and the creators of history. [13]
- Traditional Islam teaches that the Prophet Muhammad was the last of the messengers that Allah has sent to us, and the one for all to follow. The Nation of Islam believes that Elijah Muhammad was also a messenger. He was taught by God himself (W. D. Fard)
That's not news to me... Nowhere does it say the NOI teaches it's followers that the Blackman is G*d... Does the NOI teach that the Blackman was the original man? Yes... Do they teach that the White man is the Devil? Yes... But the Blackman is G*d doctrine (not philosophy) comes from a different group of Black Nationalists... and that was the point of my post... You call yourself White Devil which I assume is a nod to the the teachings of the NOI, so it seems that are you are somewhat familiar with the group...
I HAVE heard some black muslims state that the black man was indeed God, but the 5%'s usually teach this. But, the black muslims that I did hear say this had a doctrine that was a cross between the two.
Everyone always tryin to be god and shit. Always tryin to act like god or do control some shit. Just be HUMAN for once damn.
Everyone always tryin to be god and shit. Always tryin to act like god or do control some shit. Just be HUMAN for once damn.
I actually think that it's ridiculous to associate an entire race to anything, be it God or the Devil. I'm black and definitely don't consider myself a God, nor do I consider white people devils, that shit is just plain stupid and irks me that some of my people really feel that way. It's actually embarrassing and I do not support the NOI, Malcolm X obviously left that organization for a very good reason, and they ended up killing him. I'd never be associated with a gang like the NOI, they are not Muslims, sorry. They'd make a whole lot more sense if they'd just claim to be what they were (black nationalists) and not muslims, because they make a lot of sense politically.