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Apr 8, 2004
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i agree with you that business tends to dictate newer hip-hop artists content, but i think that ultimately hurts the music. the fact that we are in a singles based environment means the death of album cuts, and ultimately the death of substance.

however a strong single does not = album sales, just look at bay artists. for years mufuckas complained about lack of radio support, citing that as a reason for poor album sales (excuses, excuses). however even when they finally started getting the support from radio, that still didn't translate into album sales.

obviously a strong single is important, but it's nothing if theres no substance on the rest of the album. ultimately radio fans are fickle 13-17 year olds. you can be here today and gone tomorrow in a matter of weeks, so the question remains - are you in it for 15 minutes of fame and a quick check, or longevity? mufuckas with hot singles and garbage content are dime a dozen, wheras artists like busta and nas can still go gold easily.

btw ringtones do = $, one of the few reasons we have to tolerate seeing these bum ass pre-school rappers on bet and mtv

see some add'l comments below

MrPeete said:
The CD will be dead is 2 - 4 years.
physical cd sales still acct. for 95% of total sales, even with a 300% increase in digital download sales in 2006. best buy accounts for 30% of all sales total. however i wouldn't be surprised if the music industry is anemic or dead in 5 years.

MrPeete said:
he was the first white rapper with REAL skill (skill being relative to the time period) to be backed by people with a HUGE amount of credibility and resources in the industry. it did NOTHING for him until Dr Dre heard it.
i think that discredits dre as a producer. fuck credibility and resources, the man is a music genius, so he took an otherwise good rapper and made him great.

MrPeete said:
I was agreeing with you on Kanye.
oh, i'm quite honored.

MrPeete said:
Again, it's all about the time period. Things were different when BIG was around. Plus, Puff DID NOT back those other cats in the same way he backed BIG, we all know that.
nah, all them dudes came out before 01, except loon, when the music inbdustry was still in pretty decent shape. mase got good backing, but cmon, mase ain't got shit big.

MrPeete said:
um, again... Quality IS REL-A-TIVE. I know people who think both Chronic albums suck.
they're probably biased, have a limited scope of vision, or just plain stupid.


MrPeete said:
company A is willing to sacrifice quality for profit in the long run.
unfortunately true, but i think there will always be a market for good music.
 
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Chinese Mike said:
i agree with you that business tends to dictate newer hip-hop artists content, but i think that ultimately hurts the music. the fact that we are in a singles based environment means the death of album cuts, and ultimately the death of substance.
Art and Commerce = Oil and Water. This is a given.

BUSINESS dictates ALL CONTENT.

Chinese Mike said:
however a strong single does not = album sales, just look at bay artists. for years mufuckas complained about lack of radio support, citing that as a reason for poor album sales (excuses, excuses). however even when they finally started getting the support from radio, that still didn't translate into album sales.
1. A strong single DOES = album sales. The single is the commercial for the album. It's the reason why your average consumer knows that an album is coming. There's a reason why you have such a thing as a single...

2. You CAN'T compare ANYTHING the BAY does to artists with Major Label marketing dollars behind them. You just can't. No need to even go into detail on this one... No comparison.

Chinese Mike said:
obviously a strong single is important, but it's nothing if theres no substance on the rest of the album. ultimately radio fans are fickle 13-17 year olds. you can be here today and gone tomorrow in a matter of weeks, so the question remains - are you in it for 15 minutes of fame and a quick check, or longevity? mufuckas with hot singles and garbage content are dime a dozen, wheras artists like busta and nas can still go gold easily.
The core demographic for hip hop music is 12 - 24 yr old males (I believe). Terms like "substance", "quality", etc... are subjective and (as singular elements) not conducive to album sales.

Shit, Bow Wow goes gold or platinum every time. He's been around for a minute. So does Bow Wow's music have substance??


Chinese Mike said:
physical cd sales still acct. for 95% of total sales, even with a 300% increase in digital download sales in 2006. best buy accounts for 30% of all sales total. however i wouldn't be surprised if the music industry is anemic or dead in 5 years.
Of course CD sales still account for 95% of total sales (if that stat is even correct). Vinyl is still around only for DJs and collectors and the casette is dead. What's your point? Total revenue in the music business has been on the decline every year for the last 3 years...


Chinese Mike said:
oh, i'm quite honored.
As you should be


Chinese Mike said:
they're probably biased, have a limited scope of vision, or just plain stupid.
Regardless, (again) the terms, "good music", "great music", "classic album" are all subjective. That's the point.