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mike do you kno how to do action script / flash design....im just starting to learn that...i dont have the best computer in the world but you can do some interesting things with that..i just been playin the tutorials and the animation on that thing is out of this world....with the abundance of rappers and indie labels popping up ima take another step in the background and learn graphic design..flash/web/cd cover/one sheets/flyers etc. etc..
Will Do..
i gotta go pick up the rest of your series mike...i only seen the first one,atleast u made your mark in the bay with your products - you did alot with those big connections you made during the process.i hope thta in the future u will be able to use those connects to the fullest. cross over - the world is big
hell, last week they found another planet with the same properties as earth....im tryin to go outta orbitttt like king freako
Will Do..
i gotta go pick up the rest of your series mike...i only seen the first one,atleast u made your mark in the bay with your products - you did alot with those big connections you made during the process.i hope thta in the future u will be able to use those connects to the fullest. cross over - the world is big
hell, last week they found another planet with the same properties as earth....im tryin to go outta orbitttt like king freako
Nope. GRODT connected with 10M people because of 'In Da Club'.
Nope. Because he was a white cat with skills.
I can agree with some of that. Kanye never sold dope or lived the street life though. He got into a car accident - that was his big BIG break as a solo artist. He turned it around and made a hit out of it. That was pure hip hop right there.
BIG had Puff behind him, so he made party music as well the hardcore stuff. You can't underestimate the amount of broads who buy albums cause their "jam" was on there.
Mims out ringtoned EVERYBODY though. That's another revenue stream that you're leaving out. It's not just about record sales any more. And it's not like Young Buck is one of hip hop's GREAT artists... C'mon man
Not sure what you're point is here...
All had big ringtone sales though
You're trying to make it seem like the reason why they didn't sell is solely because of the quality of their music but you're not taking into account the climate of the industry. "Quality", or "good", or "great" are relative terms when applied to music anyway so you need to take other elements and variables into account.
Nope. Because he was a white cat with skills.
I can agree with some of that. Kanye never sold dope or lived the street life though. He got into a car accident - that was his big BIG break as a solo artist. He turned it around and made a hit out of it. That was pure hip hop right there.
BIG had Puff behind him, so he made party music as well the hardcore stuff. You can't underestimate the amount of broads who buy albums cause their "jam" was on there.
Mims out ringtoned EVERYBODY though. That's another revenue stream that you're leaving out. It's not just about record sales any more. And it's not like Young Buck is one of hip hop's GREAT artists... C'mon man
Not sure what you're point is here...
All had big ringtone sales though
You're trying to make it seem like the reason why they didn't sell is solely because of the quality of their music but you're not taking into account the climate of the industry. "Quality", or "good", or "great" are relative terms when applied to music anyway so you need to take other elements and variables into account.
no but if i did i would take a 60k job working for a production house instead of crumbs working for some rappers lol. in the big scheme of things, rappers might be hood rich, but theyre basically broke compared to these large multimillion and multibillion dollar corporations
thx i got a new la one that's crazy. i connected with g. malone, bishop, ca$his, roccett, jay rock, strong arm steady, planet asia, damani, young hootie among others and it's dope. hosted at a barbershop in south central, talkin hella shit bout daz, kobe, lil eazy e.
i'm def. gonna maintain those contacts, cuz i'm not giving up rap altogether, just moving on from the whole dvd magazine to a bigger challange
thx i got a new la one that's crazy. i connected with g. malone, bishop, ca$his, roccett, jay rock, strong arm steady, planet asia, damani, young hootie among others and it's dope. hosted at a barbershop in south central, talkin hella shit bout daz, kobe, lil eazy e.
i'm def. gonna maintain those contacts, cuz i'm not giving up rap altogether, just moving on from the whole dvd magazine to a bigger challange
i think we're diametrically opposed on this issue but...
why didn't that hit single success translate to sales for mims? he has 2 #1 joints. its cause 50 has a story and mims is just a rapper.
i think that's over simplistic. i mean, there's a buncha dope whiteboys with skills but a lot of ppl relate to the fact that he wants to kill kim and his mom. plus hes funny.
um, then he hit the ppl over the head with 2 more killer singles. the 1st single wasnt even the biggest
um you puttin big in the same category as loon, mase, the lox, and black rob. oh dont forget g dep either. and ain't none of those dudes in the same category as BIG for a number of reasons.
put it like this. nobody's gonna remember those dudes in 5 years (save 40). get ya money, but they still suck, fuckin one hit wonder hip hop artists.
um did you hear killa season? shit had like 3 good songs. i couldnt even get thru disc 1 of flips shit. you know the only ppl buying that crap are his dwindling harcore fanbase
to me the amt of revenue generated will never validate or invalidate anybody's art but what other elements are we missing here mr peete
why didn't that hit single success translate to sales for mims? he has 2 #1 joints. its cause 50 has a story and mims is just a rapper.
i think that's over simplistic. i mean, there's a buncha dope whiteboys with skills but a lot of ppl relate to the fact that he wants to kill kim and his mom. plus hes funny.
um, then he hit the ppl over the head with 2 more killer singles. the 1st single wasnt even the biggest
um you puttin big in the same category as loon, mase, the lox, and black rob. oh dont forget g dep either. and ain't none of those dudes in the same category as BIG for a number of reasons.
put it like this. nobody's gonna remember those dudes in 5 years (save 40). get ya money, but they still suck, fuckin one hit wonder hip hop artists.
um did you hear killa season? shit had like 3 good songs. i couldnt even get thru disc 1 of flips shit. you know the only ppl buying that crap are his dwindling harcore fanbase
to me the amt of revenue generated will never validate or invalidate anybody's art but what other elements are we missing here mr peete
Different time periods. That's the main point I'm trying to get across to you. GRODT came out at a time (2003?) when you could still sell A LOT of records. GRODT came out at a time when the product was just "Music". Labels now refer to what they sell as "Music Based Product" (ringtones being the main Music Based Product). The CD will be dead is 2 - 4 years.
I was actually trying to be funny. Eminem sold because he was the first white rapper with REAL skill (skill being relative to the time period) to be backed by people with a HUGE amount of credibility and resources in the industry. He had that "Just The Two of Us" song on his original (local) EP/Album or whatever and it did NOTHING for him until Dr Dre heard it. Not taking anything away from Eminem at all, he's one of my favorite emcess of all time - BUT - you also have to have some understanding as to how it all came together.
I was agreeing with you on Kanye.
Again, it's all about the time period. Things were different when BIG was around. Plus, Puff DID NOT back those other cats in the same way he backed BIG, we all know that.
um, again... Quality IS REL-A-TIVE. I know people who think both Chronic albums suck.
At the same time, the lack of revenue doesn't validate or invalidate quality of art either.
The elements that get overlooked here are the business decisions made by the parent companies and the share holders that have nothing to do with the music. Ask anybody who is REALLY in the mainstream industry, they'll tell you that it's 90% business and 10% music. If a decision comes down from the higher ups, you either roll with it, or go find another place to work.
For example, company A buys company B:
Company B may have 5 extra departments that company A feels are unnecessary and are a waste of money.
Since company A now owns company B, company A decides to liquidate those departments.
Even though 2 of those departments were vital to the quality of the overall product, as a business and in the spirit of cutting costs to ensure the highest profit margin, company A is willing to sacrifice quality for profit in the long run.
I was actually trying to be funny. Eminem sold because he was the first white rapper with REAL skill (skill being relative to the time period) to be backed by people with a HUGE amount of credibility and resources in the industry. He had that "Just The Two of Us" song on his original (local) EP/Album or whatever and it did NOTHING for him until Dr Dre heard it. Not taking anything away from Eminem at all, he's one of my favorite emcess of all time - BUT - you also have to have some understanding as to how it all came together.
I was agreeing with you on Kanye.
Again, it's all about the time period. Things were different when BIG was around. Plus, Puff DID NOT back those other cats in the same way he backed BIG, we all know that.
um, again... Quality IS REL-A-TIVE. I know people who think both Chronic albums suck.
At the same time, the lack of revenue doesn't validate or invalidate quality of art either.
The elements that get overlooked here are the business decisions made by the parent companies and the share holders that have nothing to do with the music. Ask anybody who is REALLY in the mainstream industry, they'll tell you that it's 90% business and 10% music. If a decision comes down from the higher ups, you either roll with it, or go find another place to work.
For example, company A buys company B:
Company B may have 5 extra departments that company A feels are unnecessary and are a waste of money.
Since company A now owns company B, company A decides to liquidate those departments.
Even though 2 of those departments were vital to the quality of the overall product, as a business and in the spirit of cutting costs to ensure the highest profit margin, company A is willing to sacrifice quality for profit in the long run.
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