LYRICS vs. PRODUCTION

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Artistic

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What makes or breaks a rap/hip hop song for you guys? i say a song can still be good if the rapper is just aiht but the beat is tight, but an awful beat will destroy a song no matter how tight the MC comes. I can think of a lot of mediocre rappers who I ended up bumpin theyre albums just for the beats.

In the end ima have to side with production. What you guys think?
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im the exact opposite of you. i'd rather hear an album with great lyrics and shitty beats. i could even listen to rap accapellas and still appreciate it. i usually think mostly girls just focus on the beat and don't even hear lyrics.
 
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It should be be 50/50 imo.

if the beat isnt good theres no need to bump it. actually the beat matters a hair bit more honestly.


also only teh muthafuckas who cant dance or have no rhytym perfer the lyrics on shitty beat.


imma use a example I cant bump majority of that mf doom, grouch, killa priestshit bc they beats are horrible. like that african said on next friday I cant get giggy to this shit.
 
Mr. Nice Guy

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Artistic said:
im the exact opposite of you. i'd rather hear an album with great lyrics and shitty beats. i could even listen to rap accapellas and still appreciate it. i usually think mostly girls just focus on the beat and don't even hear lyrics.
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See but that is bad example because bad beats are way worse than no beats, so a rap a cappella with tight lyrics is gonna be much better than the same lyrics over a wack beat.

Plus what a lot of people are missing in this argument is "production" is much more than just the beat. Bad production could also mean scratches, bad syncing, high levels of distortion, and an overall actually painful listening experience.

I'll bet you if you took the greatest 16 of all time in your opinion, and my no experience having self made a discombobulated beat over fruity loops and then tried to mix and master that shit to an end result that sounded something similar a car accident at a band rehearsal on repeat, you wouldn't even listen to it for more than 5 seconds.
 
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I say beats are more important...because that's the first thing I hear.

As far as lyrics, I think a good rapper should be able to adjust his flow and content to the beat. Not all beats need a lot of complex rap on it.
 
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Mr. Nice Guy said:
See but that is bad example because bad beats are way worse than no beats, so a rap a cappella with tight lyrics is gonna be much better than the same lyrics over a wack beat.

Plus what a lot of people are missing in this argument is "production" is much more than just the beat. Bad production could also mean scratches, bad syncing, high levels of distortion, and an overall actually painful listening experience.

I'll bet you if you took the greatest 16 of all time in your opinion, and my no experience having self made a discombobulated beat over fruity loops and then tried to mix and master that shit to an end result that sounded something similar a car accident at a band rehearsal on repeat, you wouldn't even listen to it for more than 5 seconds.
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i feel you you have a good point. i didn't really take my time answering the question.

if you have a great mc like nas or someone and he has some simple type of beat. I'll still listen to it because i like to see how he works with the beat and brings life to it. i guess my answer was assuming the beat wasn't terrible but rather simple and not like incredible.

ive read a lot of people complain about the beats salaam remi did on streets disciple on ahh. But i like that album it's lyrics are crazy to me. i guess what i meant is it don't need to be a production masterpiece every time to hold my interest.
 
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ThaG

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I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu said:
By using a minimalistic approach to something layered as rap music, a technic that has been mastered and procured over its exisistance? I beg to differ. But, that is YOUR opinion and that is fine.

What about the lyrics of snap music? Snap is only referring to the beat, not the what is being said. So this is only ONE element of rap and, IMO, and too many others, was a black eye to the game.



While i do tend to agree here, again, we are talking about one element of rap...the beat. I mean, lets keep it 100 ThaG...how often do YOU put beats over lyrics? I can tell by the "what are you listening to RIGHT NOW" thread, that you may lean towards the beat rather than the lyrics, because many of the songs you posted, had lyrical content that could be indistinguishable from about 95% of other rappers in the industry, underground or its counterpart. Others were just horrible songs all around (but that is merely opinion).

There are 1001 and Gucci Mane's in the south...and that is NOT a good thing.
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apparently you haven't paid close attention to what I listen to because it is quite diverse and includes more intelligent hip-hop than Gucci Mane stuff; you must have looked at a period in which I've been in a mood for trap music
 
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I didnt take the time to read the entire thread, but just based off of the thread title, id say a nice mix of both. The skill of the MC, in all different areas of rap/style, can differ and give me something i might prefer at that moment, over something i would on a different day. A more personal opinion is that i guess i enjoy a good lyricist, that matches what I PREFER. So its all a matter of opinion, in my opinion, lol.
 
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