Los Angeles Latino Gang Members Convicted of Anti-Black Conspiracy

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heresy..theres a grip of news articles,specially new 1's in the state of georgia,were mexicans have been murdered by blacks.do they ever call them racist?nope.....why not?i dunno....but i guess unless the police and the media calls those attacks racist,then u will refuse to believe that mexicans are sumtimes the victims of racist blacks.
 

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heresy..theres a grip of news articles,specially new 1's in the state of georgia,were mexicans have been murdered by blacks
Where are they?

were mexicans have been murdered by blacks.do they ever call them racist?nope.....
I haven't read them. Am I supposed to take your word for it? Surcaliman, right now someone just got smoked in front of my house.

why not?i dunno....but i guess unless the police and the media calls those attacks racist,then u will refuse to believe that mexicans are sumtimes the victims of racist blacks.
No, not at all. However, when one makes as many preposterous claims as you have it tends to be overlooked. Now, where is your evidence that a grip of new news articles exist and that these articles state blacks murdered mexicans in RACIALLY MOTIVATED killings? Am I saying the articles do not exist? No. Am I saying you should post them? Yes. What happens if you don't post them? Well, you would have made another empty claim.

of course i'm biased..i'm from n.e.l.a. and i grew up with the Ave's.so what i have to say doesn't count?
Just because you grew up in a certain area does not mean you have to be biased. See, the thing is you CHOOSE to be biased, and you have made a CHOICE to further your ignorance/stupidity. Don't ask me how you have done this, because all you have to do is look at your screen name and look at all your posts pertaining to mexican and black relations.

However, when I said you were biased, I was not simply talking about your views, but I was also talking about the way you replied in your post. You posted a link to a video, and in that video police said they were investigating the motives and said it could be racial or mistaken identity. I said it could be a possibility that it was mistaken identity, and it could not have been racially motivated because the identity of the third person was unknown.

Now, compare that to your response to Dhadnot. Having NOTHING to go on you quickly say the media does not have the facts, and you presented a certain scenario (as a possibility) but you have no factual evidence to even support that possibility. You are just as guilty as the media, and you have no evidence to support your incredible (albeit idiotic) belief that all crimes commited against blacks will be attributed to the Aves.
 
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Updated: 12:17 a.m. PT March 30, 2006

TIFTON, Ga. - A friendly dog on a leash, a small padlock on the front door, and dark towels over taped-up windows are all that stand between Luis Ortiz and his fear that burglars will again break into his dilapidated mobile home and beat him to within an inch of his life.

The 43-year-old Mexican immigrant was beaten with a bat in his sleep one night last September. He suffered a broken jaw, his teeth were smashed and his hands were mangled.

It was one of at least four brutal robberies at immigrant homes in the Tifton area that night that left six people dead, including Ortiz’s cousin, and six injured.

“I stay up nights, wondering if it’ll happen again and I’ve nothing to defend me,” Ortiz said in Spanish, sitting on a patched-up sofa in the same trailer where he and his cousin were attacked, with crime-scene tape still rolled up in the dirt outside. “Police told me to buy a gun, but I don’t have an ID.”

The fear is shared by many of the thousands of Hispanic immigrants, especially the illegal ones, who have flocked to southern Georgia to pick cotton, peaches, peanuts and cotton. Criminals tend to prey on illegal immigrants because the victims are often too scared of being deported to call the police, and because many have no bank accounts and carry lots of cash.

Shocking brutality
Across the country, immigrants are often preyed on by criminals. But the brutality of the September attacks — with the victims beaten, shot and, in at least one case, raped — shocked this farm town of 15,000 into doing more to help the newcomers, most of whom are from Mexico.

“They’re here to stay, and now it’s the point where we have to get along,” Tifton Police Chief Jim Smith said.

The effort to help Tifton’s illegal immigrants comes amid a debate on Capitol Hill — and in the streets across the country — over whether to crack down on the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants or help them become U.S. citizens.

It is often difficult to prosecute crimes against immigrants because they are afraid to contact police. So to win the trust of immigrants, Tifton officers have stepped up patrols in trailer parks, where most of the laborers live.Also, immigrants who can speak both English and Spanish are being selected to serve as police liaisons in their neighborhoods who can immediately report crimes or other trouble. Only a couple of Tifton’s 50 police officers speak a little Spanish, the chief said.

In addition, the police chief has been recruiting young Hispanics to work as clerks or become officers, like the two U.S.-born Amaya brothers, who will enter the police academy in May. They, their Salvadoran parents and seven siblings live a few mobile homes down a pothole-filled road from Ortiz.

“Everybody stayed locked up for two weeks for fear of going outside,” said Balmori Amaya, 20. “Lots of people here bust their butts to work to send money home. We just don’t understand why they’d do that to us.”
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A complicating racial reality
Four people — two men and two women from neighboring Colquitt County — have been arrested on murder and other charges in the killings. They are believed to be part of a larger group responsible for similar home invasions, Tift County District Attorney Paul Bowden said.

He said he will wait for state investigators’ final report before determining whether to pursue the death penalty.

All four are black, stirring speculation that the attacks were racially motivated. Police say there is no evidence of that, but the Justice Department sent peacemakers to help ease tensions around this town, situated about 170 miles south of Atlanta.

Tereso Rodriguez, who still lives in the rickety trailer where robbers beat him, his wife and three of his children a few nights before the lethal attacks on Sept. 30, said he wonders if he was the victim of a hate crime.

“Sometimes I think it was some kind of racism,” Rodriguez said. “If it were only stealing, there’d be no need to hit us so much.”

For his part, Ortiz is determined to stick it out in the U.S., where he moved seven years ago from Mexico. “I’ve [got] to help my family. They can’t help me,” he said.
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All four are black, stirring speculation that the attacks were racially motivated. Police say there is no evidence of that,
(emphasis mine)

End of discussion.

“Sometimes I think it was some kind of racism,” Rodriguez said. “If it were only stealing, there’d be no need to hit us so much.”
(emphasis mine)

This guy THINKS it may have been some kind of racially motivated attack, but since when have the number of punches or kicks been a statute when determining a racially motivated crime?

Again, show me something where people are being CHARGED WITH RACIALLY MOTIVATED CRIMES AGAINST MEXICANS.
 

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surcaliman said:
^^^fuck the police..
LMAO! So, are you saying the police are wrong and this attack was racially motivated? If so, what evidence do YOU have that the police don't, and can you tell me why the police in america would proceed to cover up and downplay the crimes commited by BLACK PEOPLE? What would the police gain by downplaying crimes commited by blacks?
 
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ya i read that laweekly article yesterday......never heard of dude,but u gotta understand that the media doesnt know all the facts.for all we know,black dude fucked his daughter and dumped her and she went crying to daddy.but who knows...anything bad that happens to a black person in northeast L.A. is gonna be blamed on the Ave's even if it's at the hands of another varrio...u see how the media is saying that the Ave's was following the emes orders to get rid of blacks in n.el.a.?...well then that would mean that all varrios in n.e.l.a. got the same orders.
I hear you man, but if I remember correctly the papers already wrote about the Ave's having real close ties to Eme (that other barrios don't have) that I'm not going to go through since you prob. already know. Yeah, the scenario you presented could be true , thats why I said the Avenidas should chill since they got heat on them already. And it has nothing to do with living in N.E.L.A, cause we live in the same area, and I have love for this area too. It's just fucked up when you hear about bangers killing citizens, and especially minorities killing other minorities.
 
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HERESY said:
Homie, I don't know you from a can a paint. With that being said, how do I know you are in LA? You can claim to be from LA, but truth of the matter is you could possibly be my next door neighbor. You and others who claim to live in the area does NOT satisfy my request for evidence, nor does it validate anything you guys are saying.
THATS WHY YOU CAN CHOSE TO BELIEVE ME OR NOT...
 
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HERESY said:
LMAO! So, are you saying the police are wrong and this attack was racially motivated? If so what evidence do YOU have that the police don't, and can you tell me why the police in america would proceed to cover up and downplay the crimes commited by BLACK PEOPLE? What would the police gain by downplaying crimes commited by blacks?

THE POLICE HAVE BEEN DOWNPLAYING ALL THIS FOR LONG TIME,BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT IT TO GROW BIGGER,WHICH IS ALREADY HAPPENING ANYWAYS..FROM THE NUMEROUS RACIAL RIOTS IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS TO L.A. COUNTY JAILS,NOW IT SPILLING INTO THE STREETS,YOU DONT NEED A COP TO TELL YOU WHATS GOIN ON...
 

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WiCkEd said:
THE POLICE HAVE BEEN DOWNPLAYING ALL THIS FOR LONG TIME,BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT IT TO GROW BIGGER,WHICH IS ALREADY HAPPENING ANYWAYS..FROM THE NUMEROUS RACIAL RIOTS IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS TO L.A. COUNTY JAILS,NOW IT SPILLING INTO THE STREETS,YOU DONT NEED A COP TO TELL YOU WHATS GOIN ON...
Truth be told, the police in america have NEVER downplayed crimes commited by blacks. Your allegation is unfounded and unsupported.
 
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btw dhatnot..just came back from drew st. and seen a couple black dudes chillin on the front steps of sum apartments...drew st. is a avenues stronghold.u would think them fools woulda been shot by now if u believe everything in the news...like i said before.it was only 5 fools charged with that shit.5 fools out of a clik with hundreds of members,thats part of a gang made up of alotta cliks....i aint defending their actions,but i dont agree on labeling a whole varrio cause of the actions of 5 fools.
 
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oh i know..sum of them fools are allready doing life because of other murders.i'm not argueing that..but if u read the headlines here in L.A.,they make it seam like its ''the avenues gang hates blacks''..wich is b.s. cause that in its self could insight crime...
 
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I'm not gonna say the whole gang rolls like that, cause i know it's a big ass gang with diff. clicks, but seeing some black fools kickin it in the gang's hood, aint good evidence now that the Ave's are under scrutiny.