Los Angeles Latino Gang Members Convicted of Anti-Black Conspiracy

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Here's some evidence..

When I was about 10, I was playing football in the front yard of my black friend's house in Altadena, a black neighborhood. I'm Mexican/white. A car drove by with four black dudes in it. When they saw me, they turned around and got out of the car, screaming all kinds of racist shit at me. My friend's cousin who was also black ran out of the house and the three of us fought the four of them, all because I wasn't black..

I later ended up joining their football team where I was the only person who wasn't black in the entire league and at the championship game we got into a fight with the other team because of me. My whole team who were black had my back, but the other all black team had shit with me 'cause I was Mexican..

Sorry there's no link..
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
This guy spends huge amounts of time online researching gang shit. It's hilarioustyerical.
Yeah...totally...i mean...god forbid i could READ about any of this stuff OFF line....YEARS ago....when i barely TOUCHED the net....

Get a life bucko...and stop trying to act like you know who the fuck i am or what the fuck i be doing...
 
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Vamps said:
Here's some evidence..

When I was about 10, I was playing football in the front yard of my black friend's house in Altadena, a black neighborhood. I'm Mexican/white. A car drove by with four black dudes in it. When they saw me, they turned around and got out of the car, screaming all kinds of racist shit at me. My friend's cousin who was also black ran out of the house and the three of us fought the four of them, all because I wasn't black..

I later ended up joining their football team where I was the only person who wasn't black in the entire league and at the championship game we got into a fight with the other team because of me. My whole team who were black had my back, but the other all black team had shit with me 'cause I was Mexican..

Sorry there's no link..
should I post my stories, and the Avenues racist bs again thats in the paper? you prob. look like miclo anyways.
 
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^^^4 or 5 fools from the aves been charged with that shit,so dont think its all the varrio....and whats with that miclo comment?so if homeboy look gava,its allright to fuk him up?
 
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no, thats fucked up on my part I admit. I wanted to say they prob. fucked with him because he prob. looks like a guerro, and they thought he was. I'm talkin about that white fool from the Ave's pointin the cuete at that young black dude over there at Blair high school in Pasa.
 

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Vamps said:
Here's some evidence..

When I was about 10, I was playing football in the front yard of my black friend's house in Altadena, a black neighborhood. I'm Mexican/white. A car drove by with four black dudes in it. When they saw me, they turned around and got out of the car, screaming all kinds of racist shit at me. My friend's cousin who was also black ran out of the house and the three of us fought the four of them, all because I wasn't black..

I later ended up joining their football team where I was the only person who wasn't black in the entire league and at the championship game we got into a fight with the other team because of me. My whole team who were black had my back, but the other all black team had shit with me 'cause I was Mexican..

Sorry there's no link..
I, don't know if the "sorry there's no link..." comment was a failed shot at humor or sarcasm, but if it were, YOU (like the majority of the people here) need to read before you make comments directed at others.

A lot of people seem to be missing the point. The FIRST post in this thread is a NEWS ARTICLE. It is not info from wanna be gangbangers, gang sites on the net, former gangbangers, hardcore gangbangers, people who claim to live in the area etc. Since the subject of this thread IS a news article, it is only logical that we stick to articles, readings and most of all COURT CASES, instead of personal experiences that can NEVER be verified.
 
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Oh Coy!Ocerto said:
Yeah...totally...i mean...god forbid i could READ about any of this stuff OFF line....YEARS ago....when i barely TOUCHED the net....

Get a life bucko...and stop trying to act like you know who the fuck i am or what the fuck i be doing...
Is A-Wax a blood? Is messy marv a blood? Who is a real norteno? What are some norte varrios in the south bay? Are there bloods and crips in San francisco? Is tunz a phony? What is the difference between a blood and a piru? What are some of the gangs in the NW?

I'm sure you could answer all these questions from your new online gang research fad,
 
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I, don't know if the "sorry there's no link..." comment was a failed shot at humor or sarcasm, but if it were, YOU (like the majority of the people here) need to read before you make comments directed at others.

A lot of people seem to be missing the point. The FIRST post in this thread is a NEWS ARTICLE. It is not info from wanna be gangbangers, gang sites on the net, former gangbangers, hardcore gangbangers, people who claim to live in the area etc. Since the subject of this thread IS a news article, it is only logical that we stick to articles, readings and most of all COURT CASES, instead of personal experiences that can NEVER be verified.
This is a ridiculous premise. Someone writing a book may seek personal testimony, newspaper articles, anecdotes, stories, oral traditions, etc.

"This post is about a newspaper article. Therefore we will only post newspaper articles and court cases" What is this, GayDebate? Are you trying to make up rules as a sort of fun way to put a challenge into it?

Personal testimony is just as valid as a link on the almighty internet. How can the news story be verified? Isn't it you who doesn't trust both the criminal justice system as well as AP and Reuters - the tools of the global elite and white power structure? And now you are aking that people only post from these sources?

Apparently YOU miss the point. This thread is about racial tension between Blacks and Latinos in LA, and has morphed into a general discussion about Black / Latino racism.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Is A-Wax a blood?
Listen to a song....and youll know....what does this have to do with me?

Is messy marv a blood?
This stemmed from an arguement by a bunch of kids...i was just setting the record straight....

Especially to the ones that DENY the fact that B's & C's DO reside int he Bay...

Who is a real norteno?
If youre referring to the thread i made about ole boy from ECC...it goes much deeper than you know buddy...i was just pullin his card...it just so happen that card was about being a Norteno...if it were pertaining to him being gay,a baller or a manager at Blockbuster...i would have used that....

Dont speak on shit you dont know...

What are some norte varrios in the south bay?
Huh?Left field?

Are there bloods and crips in San francisco?
This goes back to the Messy thing....nice try on makin more examples when it is jsut the same question worded differently...youre not clever...

Is tunz a phony?
Yes...and again with the "cleverness"...

What is the difference between a blood and a piru?
You tell me smartass...

What are some of the gangs in the NW?
Why dont you come up here and find out tough guy!

I'm sure you could answer all these questions from your new online gang research fad,
I see what this is about...you think some white guy from the NW...cant get ANY info OFF the net about gangs?Is that it?Are you trying to prove a point?

The funny thing is whiteboy....i probably have more street knowledge from BEIN in the streets...than a majority of cats on this board...let alone the other whiteboys(which is what....somewhere around 75% of it?)....so you can miss me with all the sarcastic shit...

Of all the people on this board...youre name comes up as one of the most FUNNY style and suspect dudes....ever....youre lil aliases before you were WHITE DEVIL...the switch up in personalities...whatever happened to all your "hardcore Norteno homies" that you so much wanted to shed tears for?You still in the hood whiteboy?Aint you in Alemada?Workin at some video store?

If you got any other inquires about me lil dude...you can hit on the PM...no more public displays of affection for me please...its tiresome and borderline obsessive...check yourself please...

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This is a ridiculous premise. Someone writing a book may seek personal testimony, newspaper articles, anecdotes, stories, oral traditions, etc.
It would be a ridiculous premise if someone here were writing a book (as you have put it), but the fact is no one here IS writing a book, so how is it applicable? No one is not asking for newspaper articles and personal stories would be accepted IF they were validated. However, at this time the only personal testimony I WOULD accept is from the courts.

"This post is about a newspaper article. Therefore we will only post newspaper articles and court cases" What is this, GayDebate? Are you trying to make up rules as a sort of fun way to put a challenge into it?
No, its the "I don't believe in god, wait a minute, I'm dying of cancer, jesus save me" debate. Again, someone made a claim that something specific was happening, and I asked the person to show me a court case or any evidence that supported the claim. In a failed attempt, the person posted a web article, and in an equally horrible attempt someone posted a pic from a gang info website with polls asking who the hardest gangsta rapper is. Qualitative evidence goes a long way, and I'm sure any logical person (you obviously not being one of them) would agree that court cases or instances of people being charged with crimes would have more validity than an unknown person on the web.

Personal testimony is just as valid as a link on the almighty internet.
When it can be validated and made under oath it is. When it cannot be validated and is presented as fact from someone with no cred it is not. I am not simply asking for a link on the almighty internet.

I want to read evidence about a certain black gang killing mexican people simply because they are mexican.
I have yet to find an article that talks about eastcoast crips killing mexicans because of their nationality.
I want to read evidence about a certain black gang killing mexican people simply because they are mexican.
The first post in this thread is an article about latino's being convicted for certain crimes. Do you have ANY resources, or can you post a similar court case that shows the black gang members being accused of racially motivated killings?
I am sorry, but these so-called personal experiences and stories (from people I have not met) do NOT suffice. Maybe these types of things work in your "lily-white" world, but in mine they don't.

Isn't it you who doesn't trust both the criminal justice system as well as AP and Reuters
I trust it enough to make an attempt at majoring in it (3.80 gpa so far), plus the AP and Reuters are not the only sources of media. I see nothing wrong with asking for the info (or court cases) when court cases are cited in the article, AND the documents pertaining to court cases are unbiased. The reason why they are unbiased is because they are reports from both sides and show no favortism. They simply state what has happened (or what is alleged to have happened.)

the tools of the global elite and white power structure? And now you are aking that people only post from these sources?
When have I ever made the claim that we should stick to rueters, the associated press or courts as evidence? Readings and articles are not exclusive to the AP or reuters. If one of these guys cited a documentary or something like that as evidence I would have no problem, however when you post pics from a website that polls its members about the realest gangsta rapper, how can anyone with a remotely working brain accept it as credible evidence to racism? Btw, his pics STILL didn't show us ANYTHING about blacks killing mexicans.

Apparently YOU miss the point.
No.

This thread is about racial tension between Blacks and Latinos in LA, and has morphed into a general discussion about Black / Latino racism.
LMAO! Ok Rummy!!!!
 
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EDJ said:
VAMPS,
BUT YOU HAD OTHA BROTHAS BACCIN' YOU. SO HOW DOES THAT COMPARE?
It's just an incident of racism. I'm not saying all blacks are racist, but there were definitely some that were..

And to the dude that said I probably look like Miklo..

What the fuck does that mean? I'm light as fuck, but so what? It's cool for some random black dudes driving by to get out the car and wanna fuck me up 'cause they think I'm white? That's cool?

My whole point is that there's racism everywhere. It's not limited to any one race. There are racist black people that aren't just "reacting" to it..
 
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Vamps said:
It's just an incident of racism. I'm not saying all blacks are racist, but there were definitely some that were..

And to the dude that said I probably look like Miklo..

What the fuck does that mean? I'm light as fuck, but so what? It's cool for some random black dudes driving by to get out the car and wanna fuck me up 'cause they think I'm white? That's cool?

My whole point is that there's racism everywhere. It's not limited to any one race. There are racist black people that aren't just "reacting" to it..

I later on said it wasnt cool for dudes to try to jump you because of how you look. But the point that you fools moved the thread to was that blacks act out racist shit to Mexicans as much as Mexicans do to blacks, not if blacks are racist are not. You used youself, a half-mexican who looks white, as a source to prove the point that blacks do the same amount of racist shit to Mexicans as Mexicans do to blacks. So I was saying that they prob. got at you because they thought you were white, and what you said proves they got at you because they thought you were white not mexican, "I'm light as fuck[white looking], but so what". You can't use your example to back your arguement if they got at you because they thought you were white. They have to act because they think you're Mexican to prove your sshit right.


So keep the topic on your counter-arguement: blacks do the same amount of racist shit to Mexicans that Mexicans do to blacks. But now you movin it to blacks are racist (since no one can prove with a subjective source that blacks do the same amount of racist bs to mexicans as they do to blacks), which no one was debating.
 
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surcaliman said:
^^when,where?

Race Divide
A white gang member is charged with threatening a black student in Pasadena

By CHRISTINE PELISEK
Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 6:00 pm

James Campbell
A member of a gang notorious for terrorizing African Americans has been charged with pointing a gun at a 17-year-old black student after summer-school classes at Blair High School in Pasadena. The confrontation was the second assault on a black youth in the last month by Avenues gang members from Highland Park.

Thirty-seven-year-old James “Drifter” Campbell, who is white, was charged with possession of a firearm by a felon and criminal threats. He was arrested outside a drug store in Highland Park by Los Angeles and Pasadena law-enforcement officials on August 3.

According to Pasadena Police Department Commander John Perez, Casey Carter had just finished classes for the day and was leaving campus on July 17 when Campbell, who is the father of a girl Carter was dating, yelled out to him. Carter crossed the street to speak to Campbell when the gang member pointed a gun at him. The two exchanged words and Campbell drove off.

“It is going to take several prosecutions before [authorities] get their message across that this kind of behavior won’t be tolerated,” said a law-enforcement official who is familiar with the Avenues and the July 17 incident. “I believe it was racially motivated.”

According to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, Campbell has been in and out of state prison since 1989. In 1996, he began an eight-year prison term for voluntary manslaughter. He returned to prison again in 2004 after he was caught with a bulletproof vest. Two months ago, on June 9, a few days after he was paroled, he was shot in the chest just after 5 p.m. in a parking lot in Glassell Park by rival gang members. Bullet casings from two handguns and an AK-47 were found at the scene.

In an unrelated case, Zelvin Reyes, a 17-year-old graduate of Lincoln High School, was shot to death July 22 after attending a party on Avenue 40 — Avenues gang territory. Police are trying to determine whether members of the Aves 43, a clique of the larger Avenues gang, were involved in the slaying, which followed a fight between gang members and a black teen during a party of 100 or so mostly high school students. According to law-enforcement sources, gang members confronted the black teen, who was singing, and told him to “shut the fu-- up.” Reyes, who is Latino, was leaving the party when a second run-in occurred between gang members and the black teen and other partygoers. One of the gang members pulled out a gun. No one has been arrested in connection with the slaying.

Both incidents occurred as four Avenues gang members faced trial in federal court in downtown L.A. for a series of racially motivated attacks against blacks who lived in Highland Park between 1995 and 2001. Federal prosecutors contended that the gang members threatened, intimidated and beat African Americans who dared to make Highland Park their home, and ultimately killed three black residents. Kenneth Kurry Wilson, 38, was shot to death by a van full of Avenues gang members early on a Sunday morning on April 18, 1999, as he was attempting to park a Cadillac on Avenue 52, a tree-lined street just a short jog from Figueroa Street. The next year, Christopher Bowser, 28, was shot three times in the head while he was waiting at a bus stop. Bowser, who had lived in Highland Park with his mother since 1989, had been regularly chased down the street, threatened and, just eight days before his death, was beaten by the Aves 43 set. A third victim, 21-year-old Anthony Prudhomme, an aspiring music producer, was attacked in his bed and shot twice in the head.

The four-week trial marked the first use of a federal hate-crime statute against a street gang by the U.S. Attorney’s Office. On August 2, after deliberating for just over two days, the jury found the defendants, Gilbert “Lucky” Saldana, 27; Alejandro “Bird” Martinez, 29; Fernando “Sneaky” Cazares, 26; and Porfirio “Dreamer” Avila, 31 — all members of the Aves 43 — guilty of conspiring to interfere with the housing rights of black residents through threats and violence. Cazares, Martinez and Saldana were also found guilty of violating a federal hate-crime statute, which is based on the 13th Amendment, which outlawed slavery, by killing Wilson because of his race and while he was on a public street. They were also found guilty of using a firearm. The four will likely serve life sentences. A fifth defendant, Merced Cambero, 27, who is alleged to have fired the shot that killed Wilson, is currently a fugitive.


I dont know which clica your from but the homies gotta lay low and chill with the racist shit while they got heat on them for racism.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/race-divide/14207/
 

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Dhadnot said:
I later on said it wasnt cool for dudes to try to jump you because of how you look. But the point that you fools moved the thread to was that blacks act out racist shit to Mexicans as much as Mexicans do to blacks, not if blacks are racist are not. You used youself, a half-mexican who looks white, as a source to prove the point that blacks do the same amount of racist shit to Mexicans as Mexicans do to blacks. So I was saying that they prob. got at you because they thought you were white, and what you said proves they got at you because they thought you were white not mexican, "I'm light as fuck[white looking], but so what". You can't use your example to back your arguement if they got at you because they thought you were white. They have to act because they think you're Mexican to prove your sshit right.


So keep the topic on your counter-arguement: blacks do the same amount of racist shit to Mexicans that Mexicans do to blacks. But now you movin it to blacks are racist (since no one can prove with a subjective source that blacks do the same amount of racist bs to mexicans as they do to blacks), which no one was debating.
Thankyou for understanding what happened, what this topic is about and for openly calling these people on their B.S.
 
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ya i read that laweekly article yesterday......never heard of dude,but u gotta understand that the media doesnt know all the facts.for all we know,black dude fucked his daughter and dumped her and she went crying to daddy.but who knows...anything bad that happens to a black person in northeast L.A. is gonna be blamed on the Ave's even if it's at the hands of another varrio...u see how the media is saying that the Ave's was following the emes orders to get rid of blacks in n.el.a.?...well then that would mean that all varrios in n.e.l.a. got the same orders.