yeah flip's new album is pathetic, but I really like his old albums like underground legend, and even the Leprachaun is alright. He sticks out to me because he raps on some concious shit that many rappers dont talk about. He also likes to brag on his shit. T.I. also like to boost himself up, and he is innovative, but flip got him beat. I will agree that T.I.'s last album is better than "u gotta feel me." Someone said that both are new to the game, that is not true. They might be new to you, but thats because you never heard of them til they hit the airwaves. T.I. and Flip have been doin it for some years now.