Liberal media sparks ANTI-AMERICANISM in AFGHANISTAN

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Pentagon received documents on Qur’an abuse
5/19/2005 4:00:00 PM GMT

The International Committee of the Red Cross documented credible information about U.S. soldiers desecrating Qur'an at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and pointed it out to the Pentagon in confidential reports in 2002, an ICRC spokesman said.

Simon Schorno, an ICRC spokesman in Washington, says that the organisation representatives investigating abuse cases at the U.S. detention center in Cuba and other U.S. military prisons had never witnessed such incidents during their visits to the site.

But in an interview yesterday, Schorno asserted that ICRC delegates, who have been granted access to the camp since January 2002, gathered similar reports from detainees to raise the issue with Guantanamo commanders and with Pentagon officials.

The issue of ‘Qur’an desecration’ at Guantanamo Bay came under the spotlight after massive anti-U.S. protests across the Muslim world, including deadly riots in Afghanistan, following the now-retracted report published by the Newsweek magazine, in which it said that military investigators had confirmed that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay flushed a Qur’an down a toilet.

The Qur’an is Islam's Holy book, and mistreating it is a great offense against God.

On Wednesday, and following riots sparked by the Qur’an abuse report, the ICRC refused to discuss what kind of incidents were involved, how many there were or how often it reported them to American officials.

"We don't want to comment specifically on specific instances of desecration, only on the general level of how the Qur’an was disrespected," Schorno said.

However, Schorno said that there were "multiple" instances involved and that the ICRC presented reports about such incidents "multiple" times to Guantanamo and Pentagon officials.

Besides the retracted Newsweek report about disrespecting the Holy Book at Guantanamo Bay, senior Bush administration officials have repeatedly downplayed other reports regarding abuses of the Qur’an at the detention center, dismissing them simply because they came from current or former detainees.

Asked about the ICRC's reports, Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, confirmed on Wdnesday that the Defence Department did receive those reports, however, tried to downplay the seriousness of their content. He said they were forwarded "on rare occasions" and called them "detainee allegations which they [the ICRC] could not corroborate."

Schorno, on the other hand, asserted that "All information we received were corroborated allegations," he said, adding, "We certainly corroborated mentions of the events by detainees themselves."

"Obviously, it is not just one person telling us something happened and we just fire up. We take it very seriously, and very carefully, and document everything in our confidential reports."

The ICRC said it insists on speaking "in total privacy to each and every detainee held" when its delegates visit detention facilities.

But Whitman argued that there was nothing in the ICRC reports that approximated the information given in the Newsweek report.

Senior administration officials also have been pointing to the Jan. 19 guidelines as proof of the military's sensitivity about Muslim religious issues, but they did not note that the ICRC had confidentially reported specific concerns before the guidelines were issued.

In January 19, 2003 and following the ICRC reports, the Pentagon command in Guantanamo issued a memorandum entitled "Inspecting/Handling Detainee Qur’an Standard Operating Procedure," with guidelines for treatment of Qur’an.

Schorno said ICRC representatives did not receive any other complaints or document similar incidents following the issuance of the guidelines on Jan. 19.

He also said, "The memo doesn't mention the ICRC, but we know that our comments are taken seriously."

Still, Schorno did not say the guidelines were issued specifically in response to the ICRC's reports.

A senior State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that the issuance of the guidelines followed the ICRC's reports and that they were "a credit to the fact that we investigate and correct practices and problems."

Whitman, the Pentagon spokesman, said he was not aware of "any specific precipitating event that caused the command to codify those in a written policy."

"The ICRC works very closely with us to help us identify concerns with respect to detainees on a variety of issues, to include religious issues. But I can't make any direct correlation there" between ICRC concerns on the Qur’an and the issuance of the 2003 guidelines, Whitman said.

Sudanese angry over Qur’an desecration

Meanwhile, the Sudanese National Council(parliament) denounced the U.S. soldiers’ desecration of the Holy Qur’an at the Guantanamo Bay detention center.

The parliament issued on Wednesday a statement at its session, voicing its anger over "violating the holiness of the God" and urging all parliaments across the world and the Muslim nations in particular, to close ranks on the issue.

Massive anti-U.S. protests broke out in several Muslim countries, denouncing the Abuse of Qur’an reported in Newsweek in its May 9 edition, in which it said that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo placed copies of Islam’s Holy book in toilets in an attempt to break the detainees.

The magazine retracted its report last Monday, saying "We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst," Newsweek editor Mark Whitaker wrote in a note to readers.

The Sudanese parliament's statement said that the appalling incidents reported at Guantanamo indicated "the U.S. dissolute boast which does not consider any holiness and inviability of the nations."

It added that the worldwide anti-U.S. protests opened "the U.S. eyes" to an unprecedented confrontation.
 
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Here is an interesting perspective by a muslim:
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GOD AND MAN

Hypocrisy Most Holy

Muslims should show some respect to others' religions.

BY ALI AL-AHMED

With the revelation that a copy of the Quran may have been desecrated by U.S. military personnel at Guantanamo Bay, Muslims and their governments--including that of Saudi Arabia--reacted angrily. This anger would have been understandable if the U.S. government's adopted policy was to desecrate our Quran. But even before the Newsweek report was discredited, that was never part of the allegations.
As a Muslim, I am able to purchase copies of the Quran in any bookstore in any American city, and study its contents in countless American universities. American museums spend millions to exhibit and celebrate Muslim arts and heritage. On the other hand, my Christian and other non-Muslim brothers and sisters in Saudi Arabia--where I come from--are not even allowed to own a copy of their holy books. Indeed, the Saudi government desecrates and burns Bibles that its security forces confiscate at immigration points into the kingdom or during raids on Christian expatriates worshiping privately.

Soon after Newsweek published an account, later retracted, of an American soldier flushing a copy of the Quran down the toilet, the Saudi government voiced its strenuous disapproval. More specifically, the Saudi Embassy in Washington expressed "great concern" and urged the U.S. to "conduct a quick investigation."
Although considered as holy in Islam and mentioned in the Quran dozens of times, the Bible is banned in Saudi Arabia. This would seem curious to most people because of the fact that to most Muslims, the Bible is a holy book. But when it comes to Saudi Arabia we are not talking about most Muslims, but a tiny minority of hard-liners who constitute the Wahhabi Sect.

The Bible in Saudi Arabia may get a person killed, arrested, or deported. In September 1993, Sadeq Mallallah, 23, was beheaded in Qateef on a charge of apostasy for owning a Bible. The State Department's annual human rights reports detail the arrest and deportation of many Christian worshipers every year. Just days before Crown Prince Abdullah met President Bush last month, two Christian gatherings were stormed in Riyadh. Bibles and crosses were confiscated, and will be incinerated. (The Saudi government does not even spare the Quran from desecration. On Oct. 14, 2004, dozens of Saudi men and women carried copies of the Quran as they protested in support of reformers in the capital, Riyadh. Although they carried the Qurans in part to protect themselves from assault by police, they were charged by hundreds of riot police, who stepped on the books with their shoes, according to one of the protesters.)

As Muslims, we have not been as generous as our Christian and Jewish counterparts in respecting others' holy books and religious symbols. Saudi Arabia bans the importation or the display of crosses, Stars of David or any other religious symbols not approved by the Wahhabi establishment. TV programs that show Christian clergymen, crosses or Stars of David are censored.

The desecration of religious texts and symbols and intolerance of varying religious viewpoints and beliefs have been issues of some controversy inside Saudi Arabia. Ruled by a Wahhabi theocracy, the ruling elite of Saudi Arabia have made it difficult for Christians, Jews, Hindus and others, as well as dissenting sects of Islam, to visibly coexist inside the kingdom.

Another way in which religious and cultural issues are becoming more divisive is the Saudi treatment of Americans who are living in that country: Around 30,000 live and work in various parts of Saudi Arabia. These people are not allowed to celebrate their religious or even secular holidays. These include Christmas and Easter, but also Thanksgiving. All other Gulf states allow non-Islamic holidays to be celebrated.

The Saudi Embassy and other Saudi organizations in Washington have distributed hundreds of thousands of Qurans and many more Muslim books, some that have libeled Christians, Jews and others as pigs and monkeys. In Saudi school curricula, Jews and Christians are considered deviants and eternal enemies. By contrast, Muslim communities in the West are the first to admit that Western countries--especially the U.S.--provide Muslims the strongest freedoms and protections that allow Islam to thrive in the West. Meanwhile Christianity and Judaism, both indigenous to the Middle East, are maligned through systematic hostility by Middle Eastern governments and their religious apparatuses.
The lesson here is simple: If Muslims wish other religions to respect their beliefs and their Holy book, they should lead by example.

Mr. al-Ahmed is director of the Saudi Institute in Washington.
 
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TOKZTLI said:
Here is an interesting perspective by a muslim:
____________________________-

GOD AND MAN

Hypocrisy Most Holy

Muslims should show some respect to others' religions.

BY ALI AL-AHMED

With the revelation that a copy of the Quran may have been desecrated by U.S. military personnel at Guantanamo Bay, Muslims and their governments--including that of Saudi Arabia--reacted angrily. This anger would have been understandable if the U.S. government's adopted policy was to desecrate our Quran. But even before the Newsweek report was discredited, that was never part of the allegations.
As a Muslim, I am able to purchase copies of the Quran in any bookstore in any American city, and study its contents in countless American universities. American museums spend millions to exhibit and celebrate Muslim arts and heritage. On the other hand, my Christian and other non-Muslim brothers and sisters in Saudi Arabia--where I come from--are not even allowed to own a copy of their holy books. Indeed, the Saudi government desecrates and burns Bibles that its security forces confiscate at immigration points into the kingdom or during raids on Christian expatriates worshiping privately.

Soon after Newsweek published an account, later retracted, of an American soldier flushing a copy of the Quran down the toilet, the Saudi government voiced its strenuous disapproval. More specifically, the Saudi Embassy in Washington expressed "great concern" and urged the U.S. to "conduct a quick investigation."
Although considered as holy in Islam and mentioned in the Quran dozens of times, the Bible is banned in Saudi Arabia. This would seem curious to most people because of the fact that to most Muslims, the Bible is a holy book. But when it comes to Saudi Arabia we are not talking about most Muslims, but a tiny minority of hard-liners who constitute the Wahhabi Sect.

The Bible in Saudi Arabia may get a person killed, arrested, or deported. In September 1993, Sadeq Mallallah, 23, was beheaded in Qateef on a charge of apostasy for owning a Bible. The State Department's annual human rights reports detail the arrest and deportation of many Christian worshipers every year. Just days before Crown Prince Abdullah met President Bush last month, two Christian gatherings were stormed in Riyadh. Bibles and crosses were confiscated, and will be incinerated. (The Saudi government does not even spare the Quran from desecration. On Oct. 14, 2004, dozens of Saudi men and women carried copies of the Quran as they protested in support of reformers in the capital, Riyadh. Although they carried the Qurans in part to protect themselves from assault by police, they were charged by hundreds of riot police, who stepped on the books with their shoes, according to one of the protesters.)

As Muslims, we have not been as generous as our Christian and Jewish counterparts in respecting others' holy books and religious symbols. Saudi Arabia bans the importation or the display of crosses, Stars of David or any other religious symbols not approved by the Wahhabi establishment. TV programs that show Christian clergymen, crosses or Stars of David are censored.

The desecration of religious texts and symbols and intolerance of varying religious viewpoints and beliefs have been issues of some controversy inside Saudi Arabia. Ruled by a Wahhabi theocracy, the ruling elite of Saudi Arabia have made it difficult for Christians, Jews, Hindus and others, as well as dissenting sects of Islam, to visibly coexist inside the kingdom.

Another way in which religious and cultural issues are becoming more divisive is the Saudi treatment of Americans who are living in that country: Around 30,000 live and work in various parts of Saudi Arabia. These people are not allowed to celebrate their religious or even secular holidays. These include Christmas and Easter, but also Thanksgiving. All other Gulf states allow non-Islamic holidays to be celebrated.

The Saudi Embassy and other Saudi organizations in Washington have distributed hundreds of thousands of Qurans and many more Muslim books, some that have libeled Christians, Jews and others as pigs and monkeys. In Saudi school curricula, Jews and Christians are considered deviants and eternal enemies. By contrast, Muslim communities in the West are the first to admit that Western countries--especially the U.S.--provide Muslims the strongest freedoms and protections that allow Islam to thrive in the West. Meanwhile Christianity and Judaism, both indigenous to the Middle East, are maligned through systematic hostility by Middle Eastern governments and their religious apparatuses.
The lesson here is simple: If Muslims wish other religions to respect their beliefs and their Holy book, they should lead by example.

Mr. al-Ahmed is director of the Saudi Institute in Washington.

that only happens in one nation, saudi arabia, the darling of the whitehouse and a nation with no christian population except for its foreign workforce.
 
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Yola that sort of treatment is very common in Arabic states in which there is a Salafi or Wahhabiyah majority. Religious repression in government exists in its most extreme forms largely in either Muslim or Atheist governments.
 
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Yola that sort of treatment is very common in Arabic states in which there is a Salafi or Wahhabiyah majority. Religious repression in government exists in its most extreme forms largely in either Muslim or Atheist governments.
im no fan of arab govts but aside from saudi arabia, religious freedom(to the extent where they are allowed to practice their religion) is common in arab nations. its the reason why there isnt much immigration to israel by arab jews.
 
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In the current pan-Arabist thought that dominates most of the region, wouldn't "Arab jew" be an oxymoron?

Also, religious freedom is nothing in the Arab world compared to the West, especially western Europe. To say that religious freedom is all over the Middle East is patently false.

More religious repression appeals are filed in Amnesty Intl. to Arab countries than any other region on a percentage basis.

The *only* Arab country with decent religious freedom is Turkey, and that is solely due to their proximity with the West, and adherence to and influence of Western ideals. EVen then, honor killings are still legal in Turkey.

Turkey is in the unique Middle Eastern position, though, where the most religious Muslims are the most tolerant of religious freedom...ocne again largely due to proximity and Western influence.
 
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Another reason your statement is very shaky is that in near all Middle Eastern countries, the Shri'ah is either implemented in full or at least partially, and the Quran prohibits Muslims from switching to another religion.

People of other religious faiths preaching to or converting Muslims is illegal or persecuted by the government in Yemen, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, Iraq, etc. etc. The list continues.

Shariah is seen as the basis of what a "good" Middle Eastern government uses as guidelines, and it explicitly forbids Muslims to leave the religion. In this environment, breeding diversity, dissent, or religious freedom is very much hindered.