Last Night I heard some shit maybe Embarrassed Im from The Bay!

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Stubborn artist make stupid music...I have seen a few cats on here shitin on radio and as soon as there song gets play, what do ya know they have had a change of heart...cats in the bay are starting to get love on the radio (other then 40) and that's real big...you got Done Deal, The Frontline, Keak, Balance, The Team, EA-SKI, Messy Marv all gettin spins through out the week...plus not to mention the artist gettin luv on the Sunday show...stop bitchin and start makin profesional quality music so yo shit can make it to the radio.
 
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Man muthafuckaz on here are confused, frustrated or somthin. I hear shit comin from all different directions. Niggaz is sayin somethin today and contradictin theyselves tommorow. We got some "madd rappers" on here, stop the bitchin and start supportin what we got and lets try to get at least one our artist into the mainstream. That's the only way all of us will have a chance of blowin up. We all can't blow at the same time. We need a representitive, one that's not hella lame or gon forget about niggaz when they blow. In the industry, the bay is like the black hole. Muthafuckaz know about us but they don't wanna touch us. We need some light over here and yall bitchin aint gon help it.

I aint talkin to nobody specific, but if the shoe fits wear it.

YOUNG MOE- WE'VE BEEN BUMPIN INTO EACHOTHER FOR YEARS. GET AT YA NIGGAZ, UR O.G. HAYES VALLEY, FILLMOE
ANYWAY. I WANNA HEAR SOME OF YA SHIT.

PS. Like I said before, we have TOO many rappers out here. Its more rappers than consumers. Man I still buy niggaz shit. Soundscans and word of mouf support is just as important or maybe more important for gettin niggaz a deal.

Holla
 
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BigRich3 said:


PS. Like I said before, we have TOO many rappers out here. Its more rappers than consumers. Man I still buy niggaz shit. Soundscans and word of mouf support is just as important or maybe more important for gettin niggaz a deal.

Holla
aye homie, you gotta see this.... By sayin that, you are sayin that you deserve the money more than the next man. Most of these rappers really believe they have somethin to say out here, and that's why they do it. Most of the people also are only into it for the money.....Either way, they ain't gonna back off of makin cd's if they believe they have a chance at blowin up and people either A. feelin their shit, or B. gettin that money. It'll get worse before it gets better for now. Home studios and all the other shit that helps you make a record for a relatively cheap price, is gonna keep things the way they are for a long while. No Point in worrying about it, do what you do homie
 
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I dont agree with the claim that there's not enough consumers out here. It just doesn't make any sense.
The Bay is a hot spot for music. It's the reason why muthafuckas keep pumpin cd's out, people are buyin the shit.

Rich,
you bring up a good idea. We do need some cat like a Bay representitive or something of that sort. But the problem is who can it be? Muthafuckas out here are quick to shake a muthafucka off the ladder once he's gotten to the top.
I thought about E-40 being the one but damn, there's cats in this fuckin board hatin on him. I never thought I'd see that happen around here....
 
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CHRISHOGG- first off, HOMIE I guess u didn't understand my point. There are more rappers than consumers. Everytime I pass a nigga a flyer they passin me one back. I'm not sayin I want more money. I don't care who blows first and I never did care. Becuz I'm confident in our done deal team that when the door opens were rushin straight thru that bitch. What I do care about is if there aint no consumers out here then what is the purpose for sellin records. It doesn't make sense that everybody is rappers out here. There is owners and there is buyers, that's what make the world go around. Were the only region that have more rappers than consumers. We don't support our rappers out here. The reason why is cats aint gon buy ur shit becuz they too busy tryin to sell their own. Man, good luck to every rapper. But this is a big problem and I was just speakin my mind. DONE DEAL! HOLLA!
 
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12...of course that comment ain't about you blood...(no need for quotes, scoliones know what's up)

you know i respect you a lot...

and fuck clear channel...like dutch and them said, fuck everybody
of course i want my shit on the radio...but i'm not gonna bite my tongue, fuck them...but, when my shit drops, you better believe i'll be at the radio stations every day, and won't leave till security makes me or they play my shit...i'm gonna make them play me...i'm syain, fuck a hand out...

and Gizmo the cats who showed me love, i will forever work with...it's not about charging to get money, it's that i don't wanna work with anyone i don't like...i won't sell myself out...
cats i'll work with that showed me love
...Sol1 is one of those cats, b-12 one of those cats...done deal because they're one of y favorite labels and always been real humble...
everyone knows who they are, if they have doubts, they shouldn't...

and yes i'm a mad rapper, i got a bad attitude when it comes to rap...i'm humble when it comes to everything, but if we get into a discussion about this rap shit, i'm a DICK...

and chuck, i'd love to show you some music, i think you'd be thoroughly impressed

but really y'al...like i said, i've just been jaded, if i could tell you how many labels have offered to sign me then dissapeared with then wind you'd understand...things that go on behind closed doors...trust me, people in the industry know about me, or these labels wouldn't have holla'd...and yeah, i get frustrated and say stupid shit...

HUMAN
 
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Miggidy-this is a hot spot for music. And there are plenty of consumers out here. But who's music are they consuming. We have seen wit our own 2 eyes the sound scans of Dr. Dre in the sf/oak/sj region and its over 150,000 scans!!! That's the same for 50cent, Jay Z, Eminem, etc. But, there's no consumers for bay area product. Now, I hope u understand my point. All we need is 10% of those guys numbers on a consistant level and deals will be gettin handed out to bay artists.
 
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i have said fuck kmel and clear channel up until recently because i have been hearing a lot more quality shit on kmel including my folx pho balo who i woulda never thought could make it on the radio. even tho lil john is on every other song, they still trying. so i take back my statements talking down on clear channel and kmel because they are obviously trying their best. the truth is most bay shit is garbage, hell most rap shit now a days is garbage from anywhere. i think muthafuckaz need to stop claimin their dope and let the music speak for itself. b-12 if you read this i would like to get 11/5 featured on some up in coming shit. if you could make it happen it would be greatly appriciated....1
 
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one moe gen...
nobodys gonna hand you shit...so fuck em...if they're not you're folks, or good peoples...fuck em

clear channel ever did anything for any of y'all?
no and if you are on the radio it's cus YOU MADE IT LIKE THAT...you forced them too cus you have hot shit...
 
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CHRISHOGG- first off, HOMIE I guess u didn't understand my point. There are more rappers than consumers. Everytime I pass a nigga a flyer they passin me one back. I'm not sayin I want more money. I don't care who blows first and I never did care. Becuz I'm confident in our done deal team that when the door opens were rushin straight thru that bitch. What I do care about is if there aint no consumers out here then what is the purpose for sellin records. It doesn't make sense that everybody is rappers out here. There is owners and there is buyers, that's what make the world go around. Were the only region that have more rappers than consumers. We don't support our rappers out here. The reason why is cats aint gon buy ur shit becuz they too busy tryin to sell their own. Man, good luck to every rapper. But this is a big problem and I was just speakin my mind. DONE DEAL! HOLLA!
and you obviously missed MY point. I saw what your point was, but you missed mine, nevermind
 
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miggidy said:

Rich,
you bring up a good idea. We do need some cat like a Bay representitive or something of that sort. But the problem is who can it be? Muthafuckas out here are quick to shake a muthafucka off the ladder once he's gotten to the top.
I thought about E-40 being the one but damn, there's cats in this fuckin board hatin on him. I never thought I'd see that happen around here....
messy marv is that man
 
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Rich brings up another point.......
Jay z, dr. dre, 50 cent and eminem do sell big units in the bay, but those are the heavy hitters man. Their music is flat out better than most of the shit comin out of the bay, I HATE to say it, I don't say it to HATE. If a cd is good, I fa sho buy it if it's bay. I'll be the first to tell you that i download the big hitters, but to be totally honest, i only have a couple songs from those big artists. If it's dope, i'll buy it. If someone can come with over 10 good songs on a cd, they got my money no problem, but people ain't doin that shit, especially in the bay. I support the bay 100%, but the bay ain't givin me my money's worth right now. That should be more of a focus than why we ain't on the radio....why we ain't sellin big units..... This isn't directed at anyone in particular. Sales come from a combination of things. You can't have 3 out of 8 of the variables and still sell big numbers
 
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Chrishogg- man fuck this whole thang. We both have points and we not seein eye 2 eye. Its all good homie, good luck on whatever ur doing.

I rest my case on this issue. But let me mention that we have 2 new fully loaded records comin this year. A mixtape hosted by Big Von and mixxed by scotty fox out in march and a new album out in late summer. DONE DEAL
 
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Now only if bay music could get as much attention as this thread we would be ok I said it before and I will say it again the only threads that get support is when muthafuckas is at eachothers throat the shits funny for example why cant Fully Loadeds thread promoting their album get 200 and somethin replys and 3000 views yall need to support and get your priorities strait fuck hatin peace!!!!! ps Savage Life album is West Coast Music at its finest support that release cuz I definetly support yall
 
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DUTCH-F.E said:
only a hand full of artists in the bay deserve action.... look yorself in the mirror relize you suck and let it go...

I remember when I was 17 my friend started his own net business selling DVD's over the internet after a year in the market his business gradually suffered and he just withered away from the market. The competition was too damn much and those other companies had much more money then he did and he was handicapped because of that.

Samething in the rap industry, from a business stand point the market will determine who stays and who goes. Eventually some of these guys you're talking about will just wither away because there expenses outweighs there revenues in a large margin. Who is going to spend there whole life promoting there music that no one is buying? Not many at all. Those Bay Artist that sell well enough to get some food to eat will then recycle that cash to upgrade there next album and the cycle continues.
 

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1. The bay area is SATURATED with artist/producers. Not only that but the bay is SATURATED with mostly WEAK artist/producers.



2. Bay area cats let outsiders come right in, soak up all the game, leave and make MILLIONS. BAY CATS NEED TO STOP ACTING LIKE HOES.



3. Bay cats NEED to NETWORK and understand the music BUSINESS. MOST OF YOU CATS ARE GREEDY AND DON'T WANT TO HELP THE NEXT CAT WHO IS COMING UP. A lot of cats (E-40 INCLUDED) had a chance to REALLY help and promote local talent but they didn't. A LOT OF BAY LABELS WANT TO ****RAPE**** THE ARTIST FOR EVERYTHING. INSTEAD OF DOING IT ON THE UP AND UP, DISCUSSING PUBLISHING (THE INS OUTS OF IT) AND GIVING UP CONTRACTS THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO *BOTH* PARTIES THEY RAPE. THEY SELL THE ARTIST A DREAM AND A MILLION WOLF TICKETS. THE ARTIST LEAVES THE BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP BROKE, WITHOUT ANY BUSINESS SAVVY BUT IS QUICK TO YELL "HE GANKED ME."



WHY IS THAT? THE CATS THAT ARE PUSHING A TRILLION AND 5 UNITS IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD ARE BUSINESSMEN. 50 HAS HIS OWN PUBLISHING, EMINEM HAS HIS, DRE HAS HIS BUT THE MAJORITY OF BAY CATS CANT SPELL ASCAP OR BMI.




START UNDERSTANDING THE *BUSINESS* AND THE *CORRECT* TERMINOLOGY. JUST BECAUSE YOU MADE A SLAP ON A TRITON OR MPC THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU A PRODUCER. CAN YOU GO INTO A STUDIO AND TELL THE ENGINEER YOU WANT THE BASS MICED AND RAN DIRECT BUT ROUTED TO A BUSS? CAN YOU LISTEN TO YOUR ARTIST AND TELL THEM WHAT KEY TO SING IN? CAN YOU TELL THE ENGINEER THOSE PADS SOUND BETTER SWEEPING THAN FIXED? CAN YOU GIVE YOUR ARTIST A CONCEPT AND HAVE THEM STICK TO IT? IT'S MORE TO PRODUCTION THAN BANGING ON THE BLACK AND WHITES OR PADS. CAN YOU TELL THE ENGINEER WHAT TYPE OF REVERB SOUNDS BEST FOR YOUR SINGER? WHAT ARE YOU DOING AS A PRODUCER? NOTHING. YOU ARE COMPOSING. ALL YOUR DOING IS MAKING BEATS AND THAT'S WERE BAY CATS FALL SHORT. DR.DRE, QUINCY JONES, RICK RUBIN AND BABY FACE ARE PRODUCERS. THEY *DON'T* HAVE TO PLAY AN INSTRUMENT YET THEY PRODUCED THE ALBUM. START GETTING PEOPLE WHO *UNDERSTAND* MUSIC IN ON YOUR PROJECTS INSTEAD OF JOE BLOW WHO HAPPENS TO HAVE A TRITON.





4.A lot of bay cats are GROUPIES and followers. A prime example of this was the Federation video shoot and I even made a thread about it.




5. This one actually coincides with #1. A LOT OF YOUR SHIT SOUNDS HORRIBLE! WHY ARE YOU PUTTING OUT ALBUMS WITH DISTORTED BASS? IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY CUT THE FREQUENCIES LET AN EXPERIENCED ENGINEER HANDLE THE JOB. IF YOU HAVE A SIBILANCE ON EVERY TRACK HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO COMPETE WITH 50 CENTS? I'VE RECORDED AND MIXED ON SSL (4000EG) AND NEVE BOARDS. YOU *DON'T* NEED A 234,890 INPUT CONSOLE TO GET THE JOB DONE. I'M HEARING A LOT OF BAY SHIT AND ITS SMACK IN THE MIDDLE. NO PANNING, NO DYNAMICS, NO TEMPO CHANGES, NO INSTRUMENT CROSS FADES....NOTHING. JUST A BEAT. SAME OLE BULLSHIT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. NO CHORD PROGRESSIONS, NO HOOK CHANGE UPS, NO LEGATO OR STACCATO JUST A BEAT.....AND YOU WONDER WHY OTHER NIGGAS CAN PUSH A TRILLION UNITS IN YOUR BACKYARD? IT'S BECAUSE YOUR SHIT IS GARBAGE. YOUR SHIT IS NOT ON THE LEVEL OF THOSE CATS. WHY ISN'T IT ON THAT LEVEL? BECAUSE YOU SETTLE FOR *LESS*. NIGGAS DON'T PUSH THE ENVELOPE. NIGGAS ARE AFRAID TO GO OUT ON A LIMB AND TRY NEW SHIT.




6. COME WITH A THEME OR CONCEPT FOR YOUR ALBUM. DOING 50 SONGS AND PICKING THE BEST 12 IS NOT A THEME OR CONCEPT. IT'S NOT COHESIVE. OK YOU'VE PUSHED KILO'S AND YOU RAP ABOUT IT? SO HAVE TRILLIONS OF OTHER RAPPERS. YOU HOLD A GLOCK? WOW BIG DEAL WHO HASN'T? YOU HAVE A LOT OF FEMALES AND SMOKE WEED? WOW THAT MAKES YOU TOUGH GUY AND I'M SUPPOSED TO AUTOMATICALLY BUY YOUR SHIT AND BUY IT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE FROM THE BAY? MUTHAFUCK *YOU* YOUR CD *AND* THE BAY AND THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN, RAISED AND RESIDES IN NORTH VALLEJO (COLLEGE PARK).




7. THERE IS NO NEED FOR "BAY AREA" MUSIC. A DOPE FIEND BUYS YOLA BECAUSE HE *NEEDS* TO BLAST OFF. A PORN ADDICT WILL BUY A HOOKER OR A NINA HARTLEY FLICK BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO BUST A NUT. WHY DO BAY AREA FANS NEED OR EVEN WANT TO BUY BAY AREA MUSIC?




IF NO NEED EXISTS *CREATE* THE NEED. UNDERSTAND THIS. *BAY MUSIC* APPEALS TO A *SMALL* DEMOGRAPHIC. COMPARED TO 50 CENT AND DR.DRE THE MAJORITY OF BAY ARTISTS HAVE A *SMALL* TARGET AUDIENCE. WHY IS THAT? YOU NIGGAS AINT TALKING ABOUT SHIT AND THIS GOES BACK TO #6.



8.STOP LOOKING FOR HANDOUTS. HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT TO GET HEAVY PLAY FROM CLEAR CHANNEL WHEN YOU HAVE NO CORPORATE BACKING OR YOUR CEO IS DUMB AS ROCKS? YOU HAVE OTHER VENUES TO HIT YET YOU DON'T. WHY CAN'T YOU DO MAJOR SHOWS AND SEE THE MAJORITY OF PROFITS? BECAUSE YOU ACT A FOOL. THIS IS A *BUSINESS* YOU DUMMIES. THIS IS NOT LETS SWING MY CAR AND HANG OUT THE WINDOW AFTER THE SHOW IS DONE. THIS IS A BUSINESS. TREAT IT LIKE THAT. .TO BE HONEST I'M NOT HELPING *ANYONE* WHO DIDN'T WANT TO HELP ME. I'M HELPING MYSELF. MY NEPHEW (THE GOLD FROM THE FEDERATION) IS SIGNED TO A MAJOR LABEL (VIRGIN). YOU DON'T SEE ME ALL UNDER THE NIGGA AND TRYING TO EAT THE CRUMBS THAT FALL FROM HIS TABLE.



HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO HELP SUPPORT THE BAY WHEN THE BAY AINT SUPPORTING ME? YOU NIGGAS CAN STARVE TO DEATH FOR ALL I CARE CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY YA'LL LOOKING OUT FOR YOURSELVES. YOU AINT LOOKING OUT FOR THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU. YOU AINT LOOKING OUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TALENT. GO BANKRUPT AND DIE. AT THE END OF THE DAY I WILL STILL MAKE MONEY FROM MUSIC AND I DON'T HAVE TO SLANG BEATS TO RAPPERS. YOU AINT LOOKING OUT FOR ME IM NOT LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. YOU WANNA GIVE A COLD SHOULDER I WILL DO THE SAME...........