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YALL MUHFUCAS NEED TO GET IN LINE AND PUT SOME HEART INTO YO BEATS....FUC JUS MAKIN A HALF-ASS BEAT, IF A MUHFUCA GONE POUR HIS SOUL ON THE SHIT MAKE SURE YOU DO THE SAME....TIRED OF THESE LAME ASS BEATS WITH NO FEELING AND NO HEART....GET IT TOGETHER MUHFUCCCCCCCCCCCCCAS
 
Apr 25, 2002
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I'm going to have to agree with you 100% dawg...

If us rappers are going to PAY Y'ALL so we can express ourselves to the fullest extent, y'all need to express yourselves in the same way. I'm tired of producers just having beats ready when you go to the studio and they want you to just pick one...that's why I work with my own production team. We go, we have a song idea, we know what vibe it will have, and we make a beat to go with that feeling...and the producers I fuck with are so musically inclined it's great...cause they do pour their hearts into what they do...even if it's a beat for something that doesn't benefit them much, they STILL pour their hearts into shit. If they make a beat they don't intend on using, they pour their hearts into it...

All y'all producers need to jump on the same ship, cause without production, they Bay ain't goin nowhere!!!!!
 
Jan 24, 2003
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IF YOU BROKE ASS ARTIST WOULD SPEND SOME MONEY THEN MAYBE PRODUCERS WOULD PUT SOME HEART INTO MAKING SOME HOT SHIT, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, ALSO IF YOU ARTIST FEEL ITS SO EASY THEN YOU DONT REALLY NEED A PRODUCER YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF,THE BAY DONT HAVE BAD PRODUCTION IT HAS SUB PAR RAPPERS WITH TIRED SUBJECTS, AND NO BUDGET
 

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Of course everyone wants their bread, but one problem is I see producers charging 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.. geez a beat and they haven't really had any hits in 5 years. That is ridiculous to me. That's like Kool Moe Dee charging me 3 geez for a verse. I'd laugh at him.

A lot of producers out now are garbage, but a lot of the real talented ones that we look to for the dope shit have unrealistic prices, even for cats with decent budgets.
 
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DOXX LOOK, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR ALL YOU FUCKIN ARTIST NEED TO STOP CRYIN ABOUT PRICES AND UNDRERSTAND THIS IS A BUSINESS NOT A HOBBY YOU WANT TO MAKE ALL THE FUCKIN MONEY BUT YOU DONT WANT TO SPEND ANY, ID LIKE TO SEE YOU PUT OUT A ROCK ALBUM YOUD BE CRYIN ALOT MORE CUZZ YOU GOTTA SPEND 10 TIMES MORE MONEY TO GET A PROJECT DONE, ALSO WHO CARES ABOUT A NAME, OR IF A PERSON HAD HITS, IF YOUR SHITS HOT THEN ITS HOT

THIS LETS MAKE A DEAL SHIT IS FUCKING UP THE GAME ,
ALL I SEE IS CRYIN BOUT SHIT, WHEN ITS THE LABLES AND THE PRODUCERS THATS MAKING SHIT HAPPEN, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE GOOD PRODUCT THEN SPEND GOOD MONEY
 
Apr 25, 2002
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I SAY AS A ARTIST, QUIT PICKIN OUT SHITTY BEATS.... TO ME AN ARTIST CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT BEATS IF HE RAPPIN OVER THEM...... BUT I SWEAR I HEAR A GANG OF CATS JUST RAPPIN OVER NUTHIN CUZ EITHER THE SHIT WAS FREE, OR THERE HOMIE GOT A KEYBORD AND A RADIO SHACK MIC....

PEOPLE SIT THERE AND SAY THESE BEATS ARE WAC, BUT SHOULDNT YOU BLAME THE PERSON RAPPIN OVER THEM??? ITS NOT LIKE ANYONE FORCED SOMEONE TO RAP ON IT... THEN IF YOU AS TITE OF A ARTIST AS EVERYONE THINKS THEY ARE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIP EVEN THE WACKEST TRACK, AM I NOT RIGHT???

I FEEL YOU ON THE PRICE THING, SOME MAFUCCAZ IS CHARGIN TOO MUCH FOR BEATS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE ALOT OF TALENTED PRODUCERS THAT YAL NEED TO GET UP ON THAT DONT EVEN CHARGE MUCH AT ALL FOR INSTANCE: MARK 7, D-SANE, TACT OUT, V-DUBB, G-MACC, AND MANY OTHERS.... SO TO SAY THERE AINT GOOD PRODUCTION IS FAR FROM CORRECT.... IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYIN THERE HELLA WAC RAPPERS NOW.... IN ACTUALITY THERE ALOT OF WAC RAPPERS AND PRODUCERS, YOU JUST GOTTA FIND THE GOOD ONES, AND THERE ARE LOTS OF THEM IF YOU LOOK!
 

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So people should pay someone let's say $4,000 a beat (as an example) and spend $80,000 on beats alone? If that was the way it is then the Bay would be in a bigger shit hole then it already is.

And you have to care about names and hits. In a few years if the Neptunes fall off and nothing they produce makes any noise, do you think they're still gonna charge what they're charging now? And if they do, do you think people are gonna pay it? Track record is important. If someone is not hot now and is still tryin' to cash out for what they got 5 years ago when they were hot, they're shorting themselves.
 
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GIFTED, or KEV SKI, whoever was talking above...

You got a point there, a really valid point. As a complaining artist, I think we deserve what we pay for, I agree completely. But what about artists like me who are willing to break GOOD BREAD for production but the producers try to fuck us off with bullshit beats? That's where I'm gettin at. There are a lot of bullshit rappers that aren't willing to go the extra mile to get good product...HOWEVER, I am not one of those rappers, I do what I got to, and pay what I got to, to make sure I get GOOD SHIT!! Too many producers out here done fucked up, so we're breaking bread to get our own equipment now...cause I do believe 3 of the most talented producers in the Bay Area are on my side, and nobody knows about them yet.

TactOut...you said "I SAY AS A ARTIST, QUIT PICKIN OUT SHITTY BEATS"...Well, that's another one of my points. We shouldn't hit the studio as rappers, and have to PICK a beat from many, feel me? We should be able to go into the studio, while the producer is laying beats down, and decide what we want the shit to sound like....INTERACTION IS THE FUCKIN KEY HERE!!!! Jonny J & 2Pac are a perfect example, they did good together because they laid it out TOGETHER!! They made NOTHING LESS than gold...
 
Apr 25, 2002
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A lot of rappers pay chump change for beats and still whine about it. If they paid respectable prices, I'm sure atleast some of those producers would come with hotter beats.

Everybody needs to quit trying to be in the game for free.
 
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i barely charge shit right now, i pour all my energy into what i do, and i agree with sydal almost 100% on what hes said, it aint all about the money folx.....i would make the same beat for 10 bucks as i would for 1000, it would make me look bad puttin shit out with my name on it...
 
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SYDAL- AT THE SAME TIME LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR SAYING??? IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT IN THE INDIPENDANT RAP MARKET IT IS VERY VERY VERY VERY RARE TO FIND A PRODUCER WHO WILL SIT WITH A RAPPER AND MAKE A BEAT TOGETHER.... WHY????

CUZ I MAKE BEATS WHEN I WANT TO MAKE THEM.... I DONT WANT TO MAKE A BEAT, IF SOMEONE IS SITTIN THERE TELLIN ME, OH USE THAT SNARE, NO USE THAT BASS, OH WAIT THAT HIGH HAT SHOULD BE FASTER, OH NO THAT SNARE SOUNDS OFF.... ETC.......ETC..... ETC.....

AND BELIEVE ME, I SEEN IT, IVE ALSO DONE IT, AND HAD IT DONE TO ME..... AS A PRODUCER ITS MUCH EASIER TO MAKE TH E BEATS THE WAY I WANT TO MAKE THEM, THEN HAVE SOMEONE PICK WHAT BEAT THEY LIKE.... WHY???? FOR MANY REASONS.... IF ME AND THE RAPPER MAKE A BEAT, BUT IM MAKING IT FOR WHAT HE LIKES, OR WHAT HE THINKS SOUNDS GOOD.... THEN WHATS THE POINT OF ME PRODUCIN THE TRACK??? I RATHER JUST GET PAID A HOURLY FEEW, AND YOU MAKE THE BEAT WITH MY GEAR.... ITS A LOT FASTER IF I HAVE SAY 20 BEATS FOR SOMEONE TO CHOOSE FROM.... THE SHIT YOU TALKIN ABOUT IS WHEN YOU SIGN TO A BIG LABEL, AND YOU GUYS ARE A "TEAM" YOU A RE TRYIN TO MAKE A HIT OR JUST MESH.....

ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN LIKE T HAT OUT HERE WHEN YOU USE VARIOUS PRODUCERS, FOR ONE VERY FEW HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME ON THERE HANDS, AND VERY FEW ARTIST OR LABELS GOT THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT KIND OF TIME, MAYBEE YOU ARE SYDAL, BUT MOST ARTIST OR LABELS, DONT HAVE THE BREAD OR WONT SPEND THE BREAD....

CUZ FOR ONE, IF WE MAKE A BEAT TOGETHER, IMA CHARGE BOUT $35 A HOUR, IT MAY TAKE 3 HOURS TO MAKE THE BEAT, THEN IMA SELL YOU THE BEAT FOR $150-200, NOW YOU THE HOMIE, SO IT MAY BE CHEAPER, BUT ANYONE ELSE GOTTTA COME OUTTA POCKETS BOUT $300 FOR 1 BEAT.... WHEN THEY COULDA WHEELED AND DEALED WITH ME, AND GOT 2 ALREADY MADE BEATS FOR $250, MAYBEE EVEN 3 BEATS FPR $300....

AND YEAH MOST CATS ARE GETTIN THEY OWN GEAR NOW, AND IM THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY, CUZ IM TIRED OF SHADY PRODUCERS AND BEING ON THERE TIME AND NOT GETTING SHIT DONE MY WAY OR THE WAY I HAD PLANNED... BUT I WAS MADE TO PRODUCE AND MIX AND ALL THAT SHIT, I HAVE A GREAT EAR, AND I KNOW HOW TO USE MY EQUIPMENT, I KNOW HOW TO MAKE BEATS.... IT AINT ALL IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT DOES TAKE PRACTICE, SKILL AND TALENT TO PRODUCE A TITE TRACK...... ALSO THAT COULD BE ONE REASON WHY BEATS ARE LACKIN THESE DAYS, TOO MANY UNEDUCATED PRODUCERS WITH A KEYBOARD AND A CRACKED VERSION OF CUBASE FOR THERE PC, AND THINK THEY ARE PRODUCERS.... AT THE SAME TIME WE GOT ALOT OF CATS RAPPIN, CUZ THERE FAVORITE RAPPER DOES IT, OR THERE HOMIE DOES IT, OR THATS JUST THE THING T O DO NOW..... I DONT KNOW..... BUT REGUARDLESS SHIT AINT ALL ITS SEEMS, AND IT DONT ALWAYS WORK YOUR WAY, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN MAFUCCAZ GOT NO MONEY, AND DEMAND TO HAVE THE BEST SHIT, IT JUST AINT GONNA HAPPEN....
 
Apr 26, 2002
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CLASSIC.....HAHAHAHA

IF CATS PAY MORE THEY WOULD GET BETTER BEATS?HAHAHAH WOW I HEARD IT ALL.SO A NIGGA FINDA GIVE A CAT A HAFE ASS BEAT WITH HIS NAME ON IT NOW THINK.IF I HEAR A SONG BY"
(SO N SO)AND THEY TRACK IS HAFEASS WHY WOULD I GO AND BREAD THAT SAME PRODUCER OUT MORE MONEY.

SEE CATS NEED TO UNDERSTAND YOU MIGHT HAVE DRE SHIT IN YOUR COMP HOT SHIT....BUT IF EVER SONG I HEAR YOU DO IS HAFEASS CUZ YOU FUCK WITH CATS THAT ONLY CAN PAY A LIL
THEN IM FINDA THNK YOUR A HAFE ASS PRODUCER.

CATS IN THE BAY AINT FINDA PAY LIKE ERRRRRR WERE ELSE.
1)NO RADIO PLAY WHY PAY BIG BREAD FOR A BEAT THAT I CAN ONLY PUSH IN THE STREETS...
2)HOW MANY CATS ARE REALLY FINDA MAKE THAT MONEY BACK
IF YOU GOT NO DISRTO NO RADIO WERE YOU GONNA MAKE UP FOR ALL THAT BREAD OU SPENT ON BEATS ALONE?


HEY JUST MY 2 CENTS I REAL DONT KNOW SHIT........
 
Apr 25, 2002
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I'm sure all rappers (or atleast a whole lot of them) want tailor-made beats. The problem is that people who can't even play any instruments tend to be TERRIBLE at putting music together. Just because they know how to peck at Korg Triton keys, that doesn't mean they have any musicial talent.

If a rapper wants to give his input on where he wants the music to go, thats one thing and thats cool. But, too many rappers fool themselves into thinking they know how to be producers or music directors. They should just find better musicians to work with rather than trying to be something they 99% probably arn't.
 
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^^^ THATS KINDA MY POINT BUT YOU SAID IT ALOT SHORTER.... ALL PRODUCERS ARE DIFFERENT TOO, THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL SIT WITH YOU AND MAKE A BEAT TOGETHER, BUT I WILL SAY MOST DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR INPUT, CUZ AFTER ALL, HE IS A PRODUCER, THATS WHAT HE DOES... AND NOBODY LIKES PEOPLE LOOKIN THEM OVER THE SHOULDER TELLIN THEM THERE JOB...

AND LIKE 211 SAID THO, ITS TRUE, WHO WANTS TO SPEND MAYBEE $3000+ ON BEATS ALONE FOR A PROJECT, PLUS THE OTHER VARIOUS SHIT SUCH AS RECORDING, FEATURES, PRESSING AND PROMO, THAT COULD PUSH YOU BOUT 10-12 GZ IN THE HOLE, AND MAYBEE ONLY SELL 1000-2000 UNITS AT $5-6 A PIECE FROM THE DISTRIBUTOR YOU ONLY MAKE BACK WHAT YOU SPENT, AND THATS IF YOUR VERY LUCKY!!! AND ODDS ARE, YOU WONT SEE THAT MONEY FOR AT LEAST A YEAR AFTER YOUR PROJECTS BEEN OUT... AND WHEN YOU GET THAT CHECK, YOU SPEND IT ALL ON BILLS, YA KIDS, AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU TRYIN TO WORK ON THAT NEXT PROJECT, BUT YOU BROKE.....

ALL IM SAYIN IS YOU CANT SINGLE ANYONE OUT HERE, IT AINT THE PRODUCERS, IT AINT THE RAPPERS, IT AINT THE DISTRIBUTORS, IT AINT THE RADIO, IT EVERYTHING COBINED IN 1 FUCCED UP PILE OF SHIT..... WE GOTTA SPREAD THE SHIT OUT, AND START ALL OVER, MAFUCCAZ IS RUNNIN ROUND LIKE CHICKENS WITH THEY HEADS CUT OFF RIGHT NOW, ITS JUST A FUCCED UP TIME FOR "EVERYONE" AND WE JUST GOTTA KEEP FIGHTIN.... JUST POINT A FINGER AT YOURSELF 1ST IF YOU GONNA POINT IT AT SOMEONE ELSE...