wait^^are u honestly gonna say that? have u ever seen immortal live? in what way is it "piss poor"? i mean, go ahead, pay 30 bucks and then dont get pissed at me when keak MAYBE starts at midnight, if ur lucky, if he even shows up, let alone turf talk showing up...i went to a Fed show and a Turf talk show one week after the next and they both came on at 2 in the morning.