I don't know if yall have been watching this, but I have a question after watching this. If and when do you think war will be happening "over here?" How will it go down? And what will it look like? It seems like America is the last bastion for a foreign war zone...I mean 9/11 is one thing, but I'm just wondering if we will be having invading armies on our shores in the near future...because if I were an "enemy" of this country, I'd be plotting ways to make our happy little ode to capitalism look like "escape from NY." Maybe I'm just catting off, but I don't see how we can escape war, being that we are "prevailing" as a war nation...maybe it's the karma speaking, but I don't see how we can spread so much fighting without it spilling onto our shores...what do yall think?
Just watched the final "Over There"...
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When it does happen, all the Americans (liberals and conservatives) will be pissed off and will once again support the "War on Terrorism" 100% and eventually forget who REALLY started the whole mess. There is after all no doubt the U.S. has started the longest war it will ever enter and it's with the entire Middle East.
It won't in your life time or anyone elses on here unless it's a home grown civil war (and that probably won't happen in our lives either).
No one with the motivation has the means to even try and invade this country and even if they did the chances of victory are slim and far between.
Why fight the U.S. on it's own turf when you can instigate them to come to your part of the world where you know the terrain and have a greater chance for victory?
China can't invade the U.S. and won't invade the U.S.
China is investing too heavily in the US to start a war - I can all but guarantee that very soon, maybe even within the next decade or two, China will be the economic powerhouse of the world and the US will be second place or worse. I don't understand how the US, which used to be untouchable, is now largely foreign owned and in shit loads of debt. I can't see you going the same way as Russia, but you're not going to be top of the food chain for much longer.
I can't see anyone ever invading the US - even if anyone had the capacity to do so (which they don't), the world at large won't have a bar of it. Picture if Hitler tried his shit nowadays. He wouldn't even be able to finish declaring war before he was messed up. Developing countries, thats another story, but industrialised nations? Good luck to anyone trying to fuck with the US, England, France (the whole of europe essentially), even lil' ol Australia. They'd just be signing their death warrants.
I can't see anyone ever invading the US - even if anyone had the capacity to do so (which they don't), the world at large won't have a bar of it. Picture if Hitler tried his shit nowadays. He wouldn't even be able to finish declaring war before he was messed up. Developing countries, thats another story, but industrialised nations? Good luck to anyone trying to fuck with the US, England, France (the whole of europe essentially), even lil' ol Australia. They'd just be signing their death warrants.
The economic ties between China and the US are too strong to break over a War. The whole Taiwan situation is a great example at rhetoric and tough diplomacy. The United States simultanously supports a "One China" policy as well as "the right to sovereignty" for the people of Taiwan. China spews a bunch of shit about how they will invade Taiwan if they declare independence, and periodically do things like shoot missiles over the island to demonstrate their military superioirity...but nothing ever happens. The loss of trade between the US and China, and also increasingly between China and Taiwan seems to be enough to hold things back.
China is PROJECTED to be a superpower in the next twenty years but a lot of things could happen to change that. Take for example that their currency is over-inflated by as much as 40% and slowly dropping to equilibrium. Also, the wealth disparities in China are vast and geographical as well, the majority of wealth in China is concentrated on the coastlines and the interior is impoverished and poor. Also if China were a super power there is no indication that they will be a military power, they have the numbers but are years behind in weaponry and moral in comparison to Western Armies. Recently the Chinese have attempted to construct a "Pearl Trail" of military bases along the Indian Ocean and Mediterrianian countries to "protect" their interest similar to the current state of our own militarism but their allegiances are not as tied or strong as NATO. Lastly you see a correlation with increasing democracy with rising GDP in China, local governments are now holding free elections, elements of land ownership are being developed and economic competition is being encouraged, this is not and will not be 20 years from now the Maoist empire of the Cold War Days.
A full-fledged war on US soil is unlikely during our time unless their is some sort of economic meltdown that results in a political vaccum or a civil war. Geography plays a great part in this since we have 2 vast oceans and 2 weak and friendly neighbors to share a continent with. If you were to see an invading army on American territory i would have to agree with EDJ that it would be MEXICO. Mexico doesnt have the strength to invade right now but the mistreatment and sterotyping of Mexican citizens as well as strong population densities of Mexican and Mexican Americans along the border are already creating culture and identity clashes here in the United States. Watch out for Mexico! lol.
China is PROJECTED to be a superpower in the next twenty years but a lot of things could happen to change that. Take for example that their currency is over-inflated by as much as 40% and slowly dropping to equilibrium. Also, the wealth disparities in China are vast and geographical as well, the majority of wealth in China is concentrated on the coastlines and the interior is impoverished and poor. Also if China were a super power there is no indication that they will be a military power, they have the numbers but are years behind in weaponry and moral in comparison to Western Armies. Recently the Chinese have attempted to construct a "Pearl Trail" of military bases along the Indian Ocean and Mediterrianian countries to "protect" their interest similar to the current state of our own militarism but their allegiances are not as tied or strong as NATO. Lastly you see a correlation with increasing democracy with rising GDP in China, local governments are now holding free elections, elements of land ownership are being developed and economic competition is being encouraged, this is not and will not be 20 years from now the Maoist empire of the Cold War Days.
A full-fledged war on US soil is unlikely during our time unless their is some sort of economic meltdown that results in a political vaccum or a civil war. Geography plays a great part in this since we have 2 vast oceans and 2 weak and friendly neighbors to share a continent with. If you were to see an invading army on American territory i would have to agree with EDJ that it would be MEXICO. Mexico doesnt have the strength to invade right now but the mistreatment and sterotyping of Mexican citizens as well as strong population densities of Mexican and Mexican Americans along the border are already creating culture and identity clashes here in the United States. Watch out for Mexico! lol.
You don't need to invade america to defeat america. You can do something to cause the dollar to become worthless and nuke it. America does not have a missile defense system, but no country needs to launch nukes in the first place. Place a couple of suitcase nukes in major cities, next to bridges, next to refineries and next to crops, blow them up, sit back and laugh. An even better thing to do would be to target communication and millitary sites and not even worry about the general population.
So how do you get the suitcase nukes here? It's reported that russia stashed a cache of weapons in america years ago. Lets say thats not possible or it never happened, whats to stop suitcase nukes or the next "terrorist attack" from coming in from MEXICO?
Read this:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45253
On the subject of china they cannot defeat america and don't have the means to invade and don't need to. China has a large amount of u.s. reserves and if they ever decided to switch to euros (which they most likely will) you can expect the dollar to drop. China AND russia together can (and will) destroy this country.
For further reading read this:
http://www.inesap.org/bulletin15/bul15art16.htm
and
http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/2002/pyne/qtr2/0517.htm
So how do you get the suitcase nukes here? It's reported that russia stashed a cache of weapons in america years ago. Lets say thats not possible or it never happened, whats to stop suitcase nukes or the next "terrorist attack" from coming in from MEXICO?
Read this:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45253
On the subject of china they cannot defeat america and don't have the means to invade and don't need to. China has a large amount of u.s. reserves and if they ever decided to switch to euros (which they most likely will) you can expect the dollar to drop. China AND russia together can (and will) destroy this country.
For further reading read this:
http://www.inesap.org/bulletin15/bul15art16.htm
and
http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/2002/pyne/qtr2/0517.htm
I think they have multi-billions (possibily over a trillion) in US treasuries
Back in July, China decided to no longer peg their currency solely on the US Dollar. Back on July 23rd,"China was going to begin pegging its currency to a basket of trade-weighted currencies, thus increasing the need for China to hold more reserves in euros and less in dollars.'
http://www.ameinfo.com/64688.html
I became aware of this, this past summer. However the value of the dollar (already nearing alltime contempory lows) has not plummetted (yet).
I believe there is a possibility that China and Russia could 'crush' our economy, but at the same time, I also believe that there are numerous US investors dipping their fingers in the Chinesse, Russian, Indian, and Brazial economies.
However, there is no doubt that as China, Russia, India, and Brazil advance and beging to have more material goods spread to the lower class' there will be a scavanger hunt and economic war to control or dominate the Earth's natural resources...
We're definately heading into interesting times.
It is scary to think of how vunerable we are to the malevolent forces of nuculear energy. As communisim fell in the early 90's aside from the 'briefcase' nukes stashed in the US boarders, aren't there also rumors of disappeared or un-accounted for suitcase nukes, just gone?
Regardless of creed or religion, we should pray or hope or whatever that we never witness or become exposed to nuclear misenergy (my wife, born within 30KM of Chernobyl can attest to this)....
Back in July, China decided to no longer peg their currency solely on the US Dollar. Back on July 23rd,"China was going to begin pegging its currency to a basket of trade-weighted currencies, thus increasing the need for China to hold more reserves in euros and less in dollars.'
http://www.ameinfo.com/64688.html
I became aware of this, this past summer. However the value of the dollar (already nearing alltime contempory lows) has not plummetted (yet).
I believe there is a possibility that China and Russia could 'crush' our economy, but at the same time, I also believe that there are numerous US investors dipping their fingers in the Chinesse, Russian, Indian, and Brazial economies.
However, there is no doubt that as China, Russia, India, and Brazil advance and beging to have more material goods spread to the lower class' there will be a scavanger hunt and economic war to control or dominate the Earth's natural resources...
We're definately heading into interesting times.
It is scary to think of how vunerable we are to the malevolent forces of nuculear energy. As communisim fell in the early 90's aside from the 'briefcase' nukes stashed in the US boarders, aren't there also rumors of disappeared or un-accounted for suitcase nukes, just gone?
Regardless of creed or religion, we should pray or hope or whatever that we never witness or become exposed to nuclear misenergy (my wife, born within 30KM of Chernobyl can attest to this)....