JRUSSELL MAY NOT BE 1?

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Four weeks away from the NFL Draft means it's time to update the CBS SportsLine.com Top 32.

One item that might shock you is how far down I have LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell. I do think he will go in the top five, quite possibly No. 1, but I don't see that type of ability.


Calvin Johnson's career at Georgia Tech bodes well for his NFL future. (Getty Images)
He has a cannon for an arm, can make all the throws and has great size. Heck, he looks like a tackle playing quarterback.

I just don't see the pinpoint passing, the great timing of the throws or his feel for the pocket. He's careless with the ball, at times, and he struggled against the better college defenses.

Can he develop into a quality NFL quarterback? You bet. Would I take him with the first overall pick? No way.

As of now, I have him rated at the 20th-best player. That's much lower than anybody else doing these lists, but during the 2006 season you would have been hard pressed to find a scout or personnel director who had him rated as high as they do now.

That's what scares me about his rise -- one great bowl game changed many minds. That's stupidity.

I watched that Sugar Bowl game against Notre Dame, and Russell looked good against a bad Fighting Irish defense ... not hard to do.

Vaulting him up draft boards based on one game is dangerous. Vaulting him up based on his workout -- which was good -- is also dangerous.

Does everybody who's now raving about his arm conveniently forget the scouts also raved when Kyle Boller threw a football through the goalposts while on his knees at his Pro Day workout?

Oakland Raiders coach Lane Kiffin made a good point this week. He said Russell's big arm is great and all, but also asked how many times quarterbacks throw the ball 70 yards in a game? Answering his own question, he said twice.

The big arm can be sexy, and Russell's is that. But there is much more to playing the quarterback position. Go ahead, tell me I'm crazy.

But at least I'm sticking to my conviction, rather than getting all caught up in his rocket throws during a workout or one bowl-game performance.

1. Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech -- The more you hear about him from scouts, the more you get the idea he's as close to perfect a prospect as you can get. He will be special.

2. Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma -- He had an amazing Pro Day workout, which we expected. He will be a lot like Eric Dickerson.

3. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame -- After observing him at the combine, I'm convinced I'm right that he's the best quarterback in this draft. He's next in the Tom Brady-Peyton Manning class.

4. Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin -- He is a prototype left tackle, and their value is big in the draft. He excels in pass protection, which teams crave.

5. Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas -- He has the speed that teams love off the corner. His athleticism is enticing to all the scouts.

6. Alan Branch, DT, Michigan -- Some scouts downplayed his workout at his Pro Day, saying he was out of shape. But he's a force in the middle. At 330 pounds, he will clog things up in a big way.

7. Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson -- Here's another speed rusher who will come off the board early. He can attack the quarterback.

8. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville -- At 19, he is just now growing into his body. His quickness off the ball is Warren Sapp-like. His future is enticing.

9. Levi Brown, T, Penn State -- Thomas gets all the attention, but this guy might not go far behind him. He is a nasty player who plays with a mean streak.

10. Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State -- Many scouts are knocking him down some because of his injury. I don't buy it. He's a game-changing receiver who is a little raw but will be a star, with coaching.

11. Leon Hall, CB, Michigan -- He ran faster than many expected at the combine, which solidified his spot as the top corner.

12. Marshawn Lynch, RB, California -- Lynch has big-play speed and he can catch the football. People are dropping him down their lists, but they shouldn't.

13. Reggie Nelson, S, Florida -- He has range and the ability to cover a little better than LSU's LaRon Landry, which is why he's higher. Some scouts think he will need to tackle in the hole better than he has in the past.

14. LaRon Landry, S, LSU -- He's a great specimen, but he doesn't look as fluid as Nelson. Looking at him, though, he has all the tools.

15. Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida -- At 6-foot-6, 255 pounds, he has explosive speed off the corner. There are some character issues.

16. Patrick Willis, LB, Mississippi -- He is a big tackler who dropped on a lot of boards until his Pro Day workout. I really like this kid.

17. Adam Carriker, DT, Nebraska -- He has bulked up to 305 pounds and is more of a 3-4 end or 4-3 tackle. Whoever gets him will be getting a player that goes non-stop all the time.

18. Greg Olsen, TE, Miami -- He ran an eye-opening 40 time at the combine, which vaulted him up team's boards. He's clearly the top tight end in a weak class.

19. Lawrence Timmons, LB, Florida State -- He might be better than former Seminoles LB Ernie Sims, who played really well for the Lions last year. His workouts haven't been great, but he plays much faster than his 40 numbers.

20. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU -- Yes, he has a big arm. Yes, he's huge. But I still have reservations about the way he plays the position. He threw into coverage a lot against good defenses and he's careless with the ball.

21. Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC -- I know he ran a 4.62 this week, but he plays faster than this. Don't make the mistake of thinking he's another Mike Williams.

22. Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU -- This long strider really came on as a senior and will continue to improve. He is so smooth.

23. Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas -- He does a nice job in coverage and has the speed to play man in the NFL. He's a fast riser.

24. Anthony Spencer, DE, Purdue -- Here's another speed rusher who will get pushed up higher because of that ability. He plays hard and will be a 4-3 end or a 3-4 outside linebacker.

25. Ryan Kalil, C, USC -- He's the class of the center position. He's not huge, but he gets by with great technique.

26. Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State -- He's the type of linebacker you pencil in as a starter for 10 years and don't worry about that spot.

27. Ben Grubbs, G, Auburn -- He is a quick, athletic guard who gets off the ball with plenty of quickness. He will grow into a Pro Bowl guard, which isn't so bad considering the money non-Pro Bowl guards are getting these days.

28. Aaron Ross, CB, Texas -- He is a risk-taking corner who should excel as a man-coverage player in the NFL. Some scouts think he doesn't tackle well enough, but I tend to think he's good enough at it. Coverage is more important anyway.

29. Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee -- Any teams looking for a speed threat have to look at Meachem. He will be a better NFL player than he was a college player.

30. Darrelle Reavis, CB, Pittsburgh -- He ran a 4.4 40 at his Pro Day workout, which alleviated some doubts of the scouts. He can also excel as a return man.

31. Justin Harrell, DT, Tennessee -- He missed most of last season with a ruptured biceps tendon, but at 6-5, 300 pounds, he has the skills to be a force in the middle. He showed well at the Tennessee Pro Day, which will help his draft stock.

32. Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami -- He is a playmaker who has the speed to play corner. He might be downgraded some for his part in the Miami-FIU brawl, but he will be an impact player.

wut yall think?
 

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Just look at number 3 and that should tell you that this dude is a straight hater. Brady Quinn in a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady type class? Russell the 20th best player in the draft in his opinion? And what quarterbacks don't throw into coverage? I guess he's never seen the great Brett Favre play huh......
 
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Tony said:
. Quinn in Petyon Manning/Tom Brady class?
Haha yeah thats a bold statement but so is saying the Raiders are gauranteed to win a Super Bowl if they draft JR. I can see his reasoning for ranking Quinn ahead of Russell. Quinn was the highest rated QB prospect the whole season until after the bowl game.
 

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I think it's Pete Prisco from CBS that wrote that. Quinn gotta lotta hype because he played in Charlie Weiss' system and we all know that Weiss used to be the offensive coordinator for the Patroits before he took over for Norte Dame.... Quinn did put up big number though but I don't think he even won a bowl game. I could be wrong though. But damn.... he's already putting Quinn and Mannning/Brady in the same class?

I see hate written all over it mayne. 20th best player? And Quinn number 3? Hell naw....
 

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Wait a minute here: Check this out.

Look at what he says about Russell

"Vaulting him up based on his workout -- which was good -- is also dangerous."

And then he says this about Quinn

"After observing him at the combine, I'm convinced I'm right that he's the best quarterback in this draft."

I don't even think Quinn worked out at the combine. All he did was take off his shirt to show off his muscle and bench 225 like 20 somethin' times.

Hmmmmm.... he's gettin' like Strawberry now.
 
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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
I figured Tony would be in here calling the guy a hater for not having Russell as the number one pick.

Sad.

You are truely ignorant and foolish. Hes arguing the fact that hes the 20th pick. Im sure everyone would agree hes at least top ten. Most would agree top 5.
 
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You fuckin moron.. If you really want to break it down, Tony's faggot ass is arguing about Quinn being ranked ahead of Russell.

We both know Tony's only bitching because Russell was not predicted to go to the raiders. Get the fuck outta here you dumb piece of shit.
 
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FATAL NYGHTMARE said:
You fuckin moron.. If you really want to break it down, Tony's faggot ass is arguing about Quinn being ranked ahead of Russell.

We both know Tony's only bitching because Russell was not predicted to go to the raiders. Get the fuck outta here you dumb piece of shit.
On the real you need to calm down and you do have a niner sign so that probably means you live in the bay. If you want see let me know.
 
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If you had any sort of brain you would know that hes mad quinn is so high because jrs team murdered quinns team. You can say what you want about jrs team had more talent, but thats no excuse for quinns poor play. He not only had that tall whiteboy, him himself said that he had the best receivers in the country and if he gets them the ball he knows their grabbing it down.
 
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If the raiders dont draft JRussell imma laugh...they need a qb not a WR...if they go with calvin johnson this will bite them inside the asshole in the future. I dont care im a niners fan anywayz and we bout to kill the cards in front of millions come MNF!!!!
 
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hmmm.... from all the coaches and players that worked with Russel before seem to be impressed with his play.. Including one specific person who works with Mr. Tom Brady him self, Tom Martinez.. I'm not saying Russ is the #1 overall pick, But he's the #1 QB in the draft IMO... #1 overall pick talent has to be Calvin Johnson
 

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RAS 925 said:
hmmm.... from all the coaches and players that worked with Russel before seem to be impressed with his play.. Including one specific person who works with Mr. Tom Brady him self, Tom Martinez.. I'm not saying Russ is the #1 overall pick, But he's the #1 QB in the draft IMO... #1 overall pick talent has to be Calvin Johnson
On the money! Couldn't have said it any better. We gotta add Adrian Peterson in the mix too.... Just think if Denver drafted him...whew... If we traded Moss, then I'd weigh my options on the draft. But sine Moss is staying we need someone that could get him the ball.... and keep him happy...ha
 

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If the raiders dont draft JRussell imma laugh...they need a qb not a WR...if they go with calvin johnson this will bite them inside the asshole in the future. I dont care im a niners fan anywayz and we bout to kill the cards in front of millions come MNF!!!!
Real shit right here...
 

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Man... Brown_Boy don't even waste your time on this Fatal Cat....if you really want to find him, he says he's from Jeff Garcia's hometown somewhere in Gilroy but frequents the Castro district in Frisco.

He didn't even deny having feelings for Jeff Garcia... don't even waste your time mayne!
 
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RAS 925 said:
hmmm.... from all the coaches and players that worked with Russel before seem to be impressed with his play.. Including one specific person who works with Mr. Tom Brady him self, Tom Martinez.. I'm not saying Russ is the #1 overall pick, But he's the #1 QB in the draft IMO... #1 overall pick talent has to be Calvin Johnson
youre right, i think the problem the raiders run into here is that there is too much attention needed on the offensive side of the ball. i think they should trade down, get a couple extra picks and stock pile.....
 
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On the money! Couldn't have said it any better. We gotta add Adrian Peterson in the mix too.... Just think if Denver drafted him...whew... If we traded Moss, then I'd weigh my options on the draft. But sine Moss is staying we need someone that could get him the ball.... and keep him happy...ha
Peterson is def. gna be a good RB.. But IMO Johnson is basically the "Reggie Bush" of this draft... He has all the top qualities to be the best WR in the game.. physical, height, speed, jumping ability, hands, etc.... dudes gna be good.. He didn't even have a good QB @ GT.. Imagine what he'd do with a good QB.. but yah