John Brown vs. Dutch (what's the deal ?)

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While fools are worried about how this show represents whites, why isn't it an issue with how they represented hip hop and black culture in general? It's extremely gay how white rappers go around glorifying how they're white; they make that distinction more than we do. Any rapper who names himself or group "White" anything is a fraud and a gimmick imo because the "white' label is obviously there to get attention. I don't know, maybe this art needs to stay with in the community it started, though on the other hand there are some nice ass white battles MCs who actually respect the art .. I don't know, the race aspect of it is just dumb though.. You'll never find a rapper called "the Negro mc", or a group called "the wild black guys"....
 
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ParkBoyz said:
While fools are worried about how this show represents whites, why isn't it an issue with how they represented hip hop and black culture in general? It's extremely gay how white rappers go around glorifying how they're white; they make that distinction more than we do. Any rapper who names himself or group "White" anything is a fraud and a gimmick imo because the "white' label is obviously there to get attention. I don't know, maybe this art needs to stay with in the community it started, though on the other hand there are some nice ass white battles MCs who actually respect the art .. I don't know, the race aspect of it is just dumb though.. You'll never find a rapper called "the Negro mc", or a group called "the wild black guys"....


LOL @ wild Black Guyz... Co-sign... Althou your "Mabey this Art" bullshit is well, bullshit... Meanwhile dutch is checking hiz soundscan #'s.... I see you Dutch... That last CWB's record did good in my spot... Get @ me...
 
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DUTCH-F.E said:
cause he says he from northern cali, went on tv got slapped in the face with a dildo and didnt even cuss about it. he misrepresented a whole race of people in hip hop, in my opinion. and last but not least cause i want to.
People like you are reasons why the bay/northern cali aint going anywhere. too much hating! John Brown was the best in that group on the show. Who gives a shit if a dildo was getting slapped in his face? He was more of a man by not doing anything. What would u do? Beat her ass on tv and get kicked off the show and locked up? Are you mad cuz John Brown got some exposure on national tv? Do you wish you was in his shoes? Either way he made it further than Persia. You sound like a ignorant hating ass judas. Thats why you get no support or respect from folks on here.
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ParkBoyz said:
While fools are worried about how this show represents whites, why isn't it an issue with how they represented hip hop and black culture in general?
I agree with this...it should be an issue with how they represented Hip-Hop as a culture.

About white artists saying white this and white that, a lot of cats do use it as a marketing ploy because Eminem did it and it worked. I think it's bullshit. If you're nice on the mic, show the world you're nice on the mic without trying to make a circus freak out of yourself.
 
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DUTCH-F.E said:
cause he says he from northern cali, went on tv got slapped in the face with a dildo and didnt even cuss about it. he misrepresented a whole race of people in hip hop, in my opinion. and last but not least cause i want to.
I understand what you mean about misrepresenting and stuff, but he entered a show to try to win something. You can't hate on him for that! I can understand about him claiming Cali when he';s not....but this is just too much drama for me. I watched the show and yes it did suck but at the same time I enjoyed it and laughed. I dont care where Jon Brown is from, I think the guy has some flows and I think he did well on that last show...

To me its just that everyone takes it personal when a white guy goes on the show trying to win. It's like someone always tries to take those people down because they are on VH1 or other popular shows. I am not saying it is hate...but what is it then? It is what it is.....
 
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Mr. Milkabitch said:
People like you are reasons why the bay/northern cali aint going anywhere. too much hating! John Brown was the best in that group on the show. Who gives a shit if a dildo was getting slapped in his face? He was more of a man by not doing anything. What would u do? Beat her ass on tv and get kicked off the show and locked up? Are you mad cuz John Brown got some exposure on national tv? Do you wish you was in his shoes? Either way he made it further than Persia. You sound like a ignorant hating ass judas. Thats why you get no support or respect from folks on here.
I smell jealousy - Cougnut
Seriously though! I do agree with you here! That's what it seems like to me as wel. Why hate on that dude when he was able to get on a show on vh1? Jon Brown was by far the best dude there...whether you like him/hate him.....

Great quote too! I am starting to smell the same thing as you...
 
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I understand what you mean about misrepresenting and stuff, but he entered a show to try to win something. You can't hate on him for that! I can understand about him claiming Cali when he';s not....but this is just too much drama for me. I watched the show and yes it did suck but at the same time I enjoyed it and laughed. I dont care where Jon Brown is from, I think the guy has some flows and I think he did well on that last show...

To me its just that everyone takes it personal when a white guy goes on the show trying to win. It's like someone always tries to take those people down because they are on VH1 or other popular shows. I am not saying it is hate...but what is it then? It is what it is.....
i dont understand the whole and he is from cali.. so what ? he couldve been from north dakota... i didnt hear him claiming to be a gangsta or anything... i mean he is from davis, ca
 
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i dont understand the whole and he is from cali.. so what ? he couldve been from north dakota... i didnt hear him claiming to be a gangsta or anything... i mean he is from davis, ca
Exactly.

Dutch-I think you should just let it slide, bro. The more you dig at it, people are just gonna think your jealous of his "success", which is nothing.

The show was a joke. People, even without that show, still dont take white rappers serious. Really, i dont give 2 shits; then again, i aint no rapper. I see where your comin from, but i say let it go and just do what you were doing before this ever happened.
 

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in case anyone here doesnt know where the thread starts, its on page one and it wasnt started by me. im beating no dead horse. im in my lane doing me.

whats funny is, is if i were to dress up like a muslim, or maybe a chicano, i would get laughed out the building. but sinse all im saying is hey, im a regular ass white boy. and im cool with that, now im a racist or a capitolist. well sorry, i dont wear gold teeth, i dont use the n word and im a regular ass whiteboy. ask quinn, big rich, fab, fronline , balance, clyde carson or any other rapper in my generation and they gonna say the same thing about me. dutch a cool muthafucka and i fuck with him cause he do him, and he aint no wanna be.

i know who i am, where i come from and what im doing. its also funny how, all these literally crazy white boys like icp and malice and countless others make music about having sex with dead bodies, retarded girlfriends, overdosing on drugs and thats cool with everyone, cause hey thats just rap, and slightly cartoonish. but as soon as me and my people step up on some regular whiteboy shit, the haters surface...... well fuck that shit. im gonna continue to do what i do, as i have for years. its just now im starting to actually sell records, and have a lil action in the game and the haters are coming out! well i love yall too. cause at least i mean enough for people to come out and say something.


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Like it or not your still marketing yourself white.
You might as well say em paved this marketing channel for you. its nothing new

Don't matter if your cartoonish or not.

Jon brown is from Davis all he should know about is college parties great dank and big houses. Plus he was funny as fuck!

You just wanna be seen as the only real white boy by drawing lines. You should do a track with him. You just haten on his hustle otherwise. cause I doubt jon brown has your name in his mouth. So why his name in yours

Think about it!
 
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DUTCH-F.E said:
in case anyone here doesnt know where the thread starts, its on page one and it wasnt started by me. im beating no dead horse. im in my lane doing me.

whats funny is, is if i were to dress up like a muslim, or maybe a chicano, i would get laughed out the building. but sinse all im saying is hey, im a regular ass white boy. and im cool with that, now im a racist or a capitolist. well sorry, i dont wear gold teeth, i dont use the n word and im a regular ass whiteboy. ask quinn, big rich, fab, fronline , balance, clyde carson or any other rapper in my generation and they gonna say the same thing about me. dutch a cool muthafucka and i fuck with him cause he do him, and he aint no wanna be.

i know who i am, where i come from and what im doing. its also funny how, all these literally crazy white boys like icp and malice and countless others make music about having sex with dead bodies, retarded girlfriends, overdosing on drugs and thats cool with everyone, cause hey thats just rap, and slightly cartoonish. but as soon as me and my people step up on some regular whiteboy shit, the haters surface...... well fuck that shit. im gonna continue to do what i do, as i have for years. its just now im starting to actually sell records, and have a lil action in the game and the haters are coming out! well i love yall too. cause at least i mean enough for people to come out and say something.


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I feel you on this too. It's not like I dont like you, your music or anything like that...its not that at all. I just didnt understand why you were going at Jon Brown and that show like that. It's all good though...
 

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this is kinda why ive listened to awax's some 4 albums and never heard dutch, haystak or any of them.


awax isnt bieng billed as "the illest white rapper ever!" he just does him.
as a matter of fact ive never even heard dude mention his race. i could give a fuck about your race just spit!
 
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N JAIL U MY HOE said:
Like it or not your still marketing yourself white.
You might as well say em paved this marketing channel for you. its nothing new

Don't matter if your cartoonish or not.

Jon brown is from Davis all he should know about is college parties great dank and big houses. Plus he was funny as fuck!

You just wanna be seen as the only real white boy by drawing lines. You should do a track with him. You just haten on his hustle otherwise. cause I doubt jon brown has your name in his mouth. So why his name in yours

Think about it!
I agree man. If it would help sell more cds and stuff, then definitely get him on your cd. He didn't seem like that big of a square to me...yes he got pushed around and stuff, but he had to play by the rules so he wouldnt get kicked off. I am for sure not a big fan of his or anything like that but I did like his performance on the last show. He tore Shamrock up!
 
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Chicago54 said:
I feel you on this too. It's not like I dont like you, your music or anything like that...its not that at all. I just didnt understand why you were going at Jon Brown and that show like that. It's all good though...
Good point! Yes I think when you market yourself as a white rapper, you might limit yourself in the game. Just be a sick ass rapper and leave it at that! You might have these black and hispanic rappers who might not want to fuck with you because you claim you are the illest white boy...however on the flip side, you might sell cds to tons of white fans who like that...

If it was me, I would just try to be the sickest rapper out there regardless. I would try to network with as many people as I can....white, black, asian, etc...
 
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I feel you on this too. It's not like I dont like you, your music or anything like that...its not that at all. I just didnt understand why you were going at Jon Brown and that show like that. It's all good though...
Good point! Yes I think when you market yourself as a white rapper, you might limit yourself in the game. Just be a sick ass rapper and leave it at that! You might have these black and hispanic rappers who might not want to fuck with you because you claim you are the illest white boy...however on the flip side, you might sell cds to tons of white fans who like that...

If it was me, I would just try to be the sickest rapper out there regardless. I would try to network with as many people as I can....white, black, asian, etc...
 

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my bad if i dont word this right.

ive got premonitions of this whole "white boy movement" and all it is, is trying to segregate the game. colored bathrooms, white bathrooms.

ive noticed, over time...and i hate to stereotype a whole group but ive seen it too much... alot of white hip hop fans favorite mc's are white. eminem, so on. no matter of past mcs or previous mcs theyll feel thats the best. i dont have a problem with that because its common, predjudice..close minded people stick with their own, even with music. i know black people and even asians and mexicans who do the same.

ive heard a story where this guy had a favorite singer..he had all his albums and he loved his shit..then he found out he was black and took all the albums outside and shot them with a shotgun.

all im saying is it feels like this type of shit is meant to advance some sort of segregation in rap music... "white boy rap"...where only white boys peep that shit, only white fans...

personally im not feeling people taking hip hop, a for the most part, black and latino culture..and turning it into a possible movement for one race.

yall are taking an obvious satire and promotion of the emergence of white mcs, and turning it into a promotional event by trying to battle it, on the name of "real white mcs"...what the fuck type of shit is that?

either yall are trying to build white dominance in hip hop riding on the shoulders of the "white rapper show" or this shits promotion. point blank.

and i bet youll ride this thread to the ground. nice to be on the front page? right?
 

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all i wanted to do my whole career was make the front page of the siccness. you caught me red handed gas......

the real white rapper album will ship in the neighborhood of 30,000 units. not bad for a regular white kid from the bay....... if capitolizing on myself as a hustler and a gamed up bay area resident is cheating then hey, you caught me again. im a cheater. oh and one more thing, it still boils down to the music. if it sucked i wouldnt sell shit. i just figured out that if i wanted to get off the ground, i had to get off the siccness!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is entertainment for me! i love it!

rappers make music, movements make money......
 

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oh i missed something, we aint making a movement for one race, we are saying we have a right to love hip hop and represent hip hop and not be the pun of no jokes. hip hop has 25 years of growth. it should be cool now to be a regular white boy and not have to act a certain way to fit in.

70% of hip hop buying market is white. if we can pay for these chains, houses, cars, so on and so forth, then we can be regular, build our own trends in it and build careers out of it, and not be ridiculed.

there is no way on this planet i can be a racist or even fuck with racists in my circle, my wife is black/philipino and so are my kids. all mixed black/white/philipino. so to associate what i do in hip hop as some racist group or even hint at it what so ever is completely false.