Is this Economically Possible?

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First of all your theory of cutting the eight hour shift to four hours would make a person making 4k a month make 2k. Then you said you wanted to slash their wages in half so they would only be making 1k a month. So we all just got super fucked based on your proposition. The altered work week I can deal with, in European countries and others they work less hours and research has shown they have the same productivity. No argument there.The problem is you are blending simple economic principles with complex economic principles and it does not wash. You are arguing a form of socialism or even communism which also have flaws. Amerikkka is based on Lase Faire I know i spelled that wrong. You are attempting to adjust the basic principle that this greedy fuck everybody country was made on. What Bush is pushing with these bailouts goes against the system too, but he is still instilling Reagonomics and the Trickle Down Effect. Don't help the common person help the big businesses who will then in turn help the common person. Let's start with some basic shit like health care. Every person should get health care. Poor people get it free and rich people can afford it. Working class families are getting fucked left and right. Then there are wage differences in Amerikkka so how are you going to slash prices so that the lowest wage earners in your system can still afford basic shit? How are you going to account for inflation. Are you going to make China slash their imports so we can afford them? Or are you going to make us a third world country so the businesses will move back to Amerikka and pay us 5 cents and hour for four hours? Then we can spend more time with our kids but can't feed them. What is your assumption for how currency is negotiated or valued? Why is amerikkkas dollar so weak? How is your system going to account for that? I am not an economist by any means but your Utopia aint that Utopian.

Nah, what your saying slashes what people make twice. I'm talking about one slash. You make 4,000 now a month, with my idea you now make 2,000. That 2,000 doesn't get slashed down again to 1,000 like you think I'm saying.


Watch, instead of one worker working 8 like today, he now works 4. And in order for the business to get the labor of a current 8hr worker we see today, he would now have to hire another worker. Two 4hr workers = 1 of today's 8hr worker. But the economy has to shift back to compensate so we still have the same purchasing power as we do today. It's the psychological/sociological acceptance, that lower number of $'s can still buy the same amount of goods we do today. But as a result we work less hours a day since our whole structure is built around 4hrs, instead of 8hrs.

I don't think it has anything to do with communism and shit like that. It's just cutting what we do now, in half, but doubling the workforce to compensate with the hours needed to fill a typical business day. Like I said, it would have to be based around a psychological/sociological acceptance that what we perceive today as making 4,000 a month, we would have to accept that it's now perceived as 2,000, but inturn, the economy as a whole adapts so we still have purchasing power. What we perceive as being $10 today would have to be perceived as $5 in the economy I'm talking about. But out of all of it, we get more freetime, 4 more hours a day.

I guess it's kind of like also arguing that our current economic structure of 8hrs. a day doesn't allow enough workers per day. So my idea cuts each of those 8 hour workers in half to 4hrs., thus allowing more people to work to fill up a typical work day. But salaries get cut in half to compensate with the greater workforce, thus the entire economy must compensate by prices going down by half as well.

As a result you get 4 more hours of free time and greater workforce.
 
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Damn BooBoo, Where do I start. Lets just say how can we have the same purchasing power as we do today if we went with your theory....In reality most people are not making $4,000 a month. What about those who are scarping by making under $2,000. If people are working pay check to paycheck and then they have a 50% cut in pay...not only will they not have a place to live unless they do like alot of people do In Southern cali with 3-4 families living in a 3 bedroom home..then it should be evident that the purchasing power would be considerably worse....people will not be able to afford the necessities, let alone eating out, movies, clubs, amusement parks, buy new cars, buy auto insurance. BooBoo...there is 24 hours in a day...If I work 8 hours there is 16 hrs I have left...thats too much... what more can you do with that 4 hours with no money?..look at each other and be miserable? I would rather work 10 hrs 4 days a week.
 
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Oh yeah you are also saying in order to work prices would have to shift to accomodate. So as a business owner even though employees can work four hours, so I would have to hire twice as many people, leaves me twice as much paperwork, thats twice as much responsibility for the owner in the human resource aspect......the business owners could not work a 4 hour shift, and they will be making half...boobo your whole thought process is flawed..i aint saying you are dumb, but I shouldve known when you said you would rather use the QWERTY keyboard to make music then a regular midi keyboard that something is wrong with you.....i aint clownin...maybe you should get checked out, you might be able to collect a disability check.
 
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There are more costs to an employer for a worker than just wages. Employing 2 individuals to work 2 4 hour shits would increase the costs of benefits and insurance because you are paying on teice the amount of people, which would probably result in an approximate 50% expense increase on payroll...which will increase costs and reduce revenue, so there is no way costs of good and services could remain the same.
 
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There are more costs to an employer for a worker than just wages. Employing 2 individuals to work 2 4 hour shits would increase the costs of benefits and insurance because you are paying on teice the amount of people, which would probably result in an approximate 50% expense increase on payroll...which will increase costs and reduce revenue, so there is no way costs of good and services could remain the same.
You know what, yeah your right. It would just cost employers too much to pay their employees. It just makes more logical sense the way it is right now with 8hours of work and the pay to go along, it's fair to both sides. I was thinking about this in my sleep. lol I'm just trying to think of stuff. Just questioning why stuff is the way it is. I think my ideas of being programmed to do the same shit over and over is right though.
 
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Oh yeah you are also saying in order to work prices would have to shift to accomodate. So as a business owner even though employees can work four hours, so I would have to hire twice as many people, leaves me twice as much paperwork, thats twice as much responsibility for the owner in the human resource aspect......the business owners could not work a 4 hour shift, and they will be making half...boobo your whole thought process is flawed..i aint saying you are dumb, but I shouldve known when you said you would rather use the QWERTY keyboard to make music then a regular midi keyboard that something is wrong with you.....i aint clownin...maybe you should get checked out, you might be able to collect a disability check.
Dog, people use the mouse to "paint" in notes, people use pads to trigger notes (see the MPC). Your just picking up on the word "QWERTY," yeah it sounds and looks funny. Like I said, it's just another way to input notes. I do have a sick mind though, I'll give you that one. I think of evil shit, wierd shit, shit that's funny to me but the average person would think is wrong or stupid because their built off the same cliche's and taboos as everyone else ,etc...
 

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an employer is still paying for 8 hours of work, whether it's to one employee(8 hours a day) or two(each at 4 hours a day). so how exactly would cutting the price of their products in half be possible? it also costs an employer money just to go through hiring and training people. this is why most companies are reluctant to fire people, even if they are bad workers. it's cheaper just to keep the bad worker that's already trained, than to hire and train a new person that is potentially just as bad of a worker. so having twice as many employees would only further cut into profits.
 

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also, if you do some research, you'll find that not all countries subscribe to the 8 hour workday. hell, not even all companies in the U.S. subscribe to it(though they do pay overtime for anything over 40 hours a week).
 

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I'll have my butler type a comeback to you in a few hours. I'm busy closing down one of my sweatshops in Vietnam because of these hard economic times. I just can't afford to pay a hundred 13yr olds five cents an hour anymore.
can't you just cut all of their hours in half and hire a hundred more 13 year olds? you might even be able to cut the price of your product by 50%!
 
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There are more costs to an employer for a worker than just wages. Employing 2 individuals to work 2 4 hour shits would increase the costs of benefits and insurance because you are paying on teice the amount of people, which would probably result in an approximate 50% expense increase on payroll...which will increase costs and reduce revenue, so there is no way costs of good and services could remain the same.
not necessarily. they dont have to offer benefits to part time workers.


16 year old kids and retards work 4 hour shifts.
also people who are phasing out of the workforce (getting ready to retire); full time students; and people who just plain choose to work part time.


also, if you do some research, you'll find that not all countries subscribe to the 8 hour workday. hell, not even all companies in the U.S. subscribe to it(though they do pay overtime for anything over 40 hours a week).
this is true. i technically work 37.5 hrs per week.

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my head hurts.....and if I may, a small quote from Billy Madison.

"....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
 

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my head hurts.....and if I may, a small quote from Billy Madison.

"....what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
classic line.

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Nah, what your saying slashes what people make twice. I'm talking about one slash. You make 4,000 now a month, with my idea you now make 2,000. That 2,000 doesn't get slashed down again to 1,000 like you think I'm saying.


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actually it would be 1,000 look back at what your saying ok heres an easy break down

per month=4,000
hours cut in half=2,000
wages cut in half=1,000

and also I am curious how old are you?